Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[Davesta]

Please don't wait til bye week to get this done. Fire him asap

[JO_75]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

So, we're getting the Giants one week too early.

 

I would say this time, we got the Redskins early enough in our schedule to fire Trestman before we get to the tough part of the schedule. Honestly, seeing the Giants offense against the Pack, doesn't scare me. What scares me is Trestman still be here and costing us the game when we don't score enough to win... again. 

[cobrajet]

46 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

 

Unbelievable, yes Trestman has to go.

[PurpleCity5]

Here's a name people don't throw out often, how about Mike McCoy? I don't know much about him but people who work with him speak very highly of him. 

[JO_75]

8 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Here's a name people don't throw out often, how about Mike McCoy? I don't know much about him but people who work with him speak very highly of him. 

Call up the Chargers and request that they fire him and send him on a one way flight to Baltimore.

[PurpleCity5]

13 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Call up the Chargers and request that they fire him and send him on a one way flight to Baltimore.

I guess we'll have to wait till seasons end but it would be interesting. I'm sure McCoy would like to join a team like us if he would like to be a HC again someday. 

[kjbmore]

im in australia and have to get up at 1am to watch the game and its just rubbish!! 

just feel disgusted with harbaugh and trestman at the moment cant believe harbaugh is saying we have to play better, the play calling was absolutely atrocious - i knew it was only a matter of time before the skins hit the front after the fake punt and the useless playcalling in the backend of the 1st half - a big part of me wanted the skins to takeover and  get the lead because hopefully we would wake up and get a rocket up our OC

i hope biscotti is on the phone to ozzie laying down the law - its not like we just lost b2b home games to the bengals and patriots

next man up, get rid of this bum already - harbs better smarten up and realise he'll be on the hot seat too, if he doesn't get this rubbish sorted. we go no playoffs 3 of 4 years - shake it up

we have more weapons than we've ever had and we cant put A SINGLE POINT ON THE BOARD AT HOME in a second half of a winnable game, against one of the weakest defences in the league

defense must be so demoralized at the moment, force the fumble on the 20, dont get a single thing to show for it, that affects a human being, get stops, force quick outs, offense gives you nothing, not only are they having to battle the opposition, they have the offense and ST giving them horrible field position continuously and absolutely no rest - they can only do so much 

maybe trestman should take some notes from what the redskins were doing, quick passes, just get the ball out of joes hands pick up 4 or 5 yards and then hit them with some run, sprinkle in some shots downfield and down the seams 

the players can only do so much when you are not put in a position to succeed and you are playing with one hand tied behind your back hopefully this is the 2 game skid / wake up call we need to sort this calamity we call an offense out - get rid of this joker already - coaching staff could hide behind injuries last year - there are no excuses for losing this game

if harbaugh doesnt man up and do whats best for the team and this franchise - happily see him get his marching orders too - this coaching is a disgrace right now

Edited October 10, 2016 by kjbmore

[sflegend89]

Don't think Harbs has it in him to fire Trestman even though there hasn't been so much as a glimmer of potential since he took over the job. No chance it happens this early in the season unless it comes from the higher ups.

Biggest win diffetential under Trestman is 6 points, jarring stat.

Edited October 10, 2016 by sflegend89

[Deflated Football]

2 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Don't think Harbs has it in him to fire Trestman even though there hasn't been so much as a glimmer of potential since he took over the job. No chance it happens this early in the season unless it comes from the higher ups.

Biggest win diffetential under Trestman is 6 points, jarring stat.

I agree with you. I'd be shocked if he was let go tomorrow. I just don't see it happening. 

[AsianRice]

by the time John fires Trestman, we aren't in the playoff race anymore or worst he will re-evaluate Trestman in the offseason when we are sitting at home watching others playing in the post season....

I was on Trestman's side since the offseason, but in 5 games into the regular season, he hasn't done anything that would impress me; last 2 games just burn the bridge between me and him.

 

PS: how the heck you abandon the run completely when West was killing the Redskins front 7?

[PurpleCity5]

31 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

by the time John fires Trestman, we aren't in the playoff race anymore or worst he will re-evaluate Trestman in the offseason when we are sitting at home watching others playing in the post season....

I was on Trestman's side since the offseason, but in 5 games into the regular season, he hasn't done anything that would impress me; last 2 games just burn the bridge between me and him.

 

PS: how the heck you abandon the run completely when West was killing the Redskins front 7?

I was on the side of Trestman as well, but the last two games has me leaning the other way. He's been very questionable and the players even not feeling him as well honestly puts me in the bandwagon. I think you wait until the bye week, lets see what happens against NY Giants and NY Jets, we do awful on offense in both games. Let's say we beat the Giants but its by 3 points and we totally blow it against the Jets with another awful offensive showing. Then I think you fire him. You're in the playoff race, so firing him might lite up your team. If you're out of the playoff race then there is no use and you might as well fire him at the end of the season. 

[Maryland]

5 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

I understand that but i think the players have to blame themselves as well. I saw dropped passes and Flacco not having enough time to throw the ball. I think Marc Trestman should have ran the ball more but I also think players left plays on the field. I do agree when I look at this offense it looks like there isn't identity and it just seems lost at times.

I'm honestly surprised the debate over Trestman is so one-sided. Usually there's a contingency of fans defending the coach.

I mean, looking at the offense as a whole, I still can't put all of the blame on Trestman. The OL came into this game missing Stanley, and with Wagner going out in the 2nd half, it became even more jumbled. Protection wasn't great between this game and last, and without great protection, it's harder to throw it deep, since deeper plays take time to develop. Plus, it seems like no one on this team other than Steve Smith can get separation, and no one except Steve and Pitta can make a tough catch in traffic. Perriman has had at least 1 drop per game, Wallace short-arms/body-catches everything, Moore has drop problems, and Aiken can't get separation to make a clean catch. Plus our run game was weak to start the season because Zuttah and Forsett were struggling, putting even more burden on Joe at the time, though the run game has improved since then.

So, I think you have to put some of the blame on the players for not executing. Anyone who wants to scapegoat Trestman for everything that is going wrong is being irrational. 

Having said all of that, I recognize that Trestman is definitely at fault for some amount of what has gone wrong. Abandoning the run is inexcusable, especially when the game is close, running is effective, and it would help mitigate the problems with pass-protection. The dink and dunks are far too frequent, though I wonder if this is more a factor of people not getting open downfield coupled with pressure (would need to watch all-22). Any penalty on offense kills the drive because we cannot possibly pick up penalty yardage + first down yardage with our dink-and-dunk style, and it seems our offense generates a lot of holding penalties, at least the past few games. 

I'm hoping Harbaugh and the players can have a discussion and work themselves through their problems without firing Trestman--that's probably what they'll do and then re-assess near the BYE. It's unrealistic to expect Trestman to be fired this early imo.

5 hours ago, Inqui said:

I don't even mind playing dink and dunk either. You just have to keep moving the chains, and we're not even getting that done. I can't say I'd be opposed to a change in one way or another.

I have no problem with dink and dunk either--that's what offenses like the Patriots and Andy Reid do. However, they also use the run effectively and take a deep shot down-field every now and then for big gains. Trestman seems to be too reliant on dump-offs and screen passes. 

[Worthy]

Have you ever gotten to the point where enough is enough?  I'm at that point.  I'm not bothering wasting my time to watch stupid play calling cost us the game!  We need to run the ball -- and even when we run the BALL WELL -- we stop running the ball!  If Trestman is not fired -- I'm not bothering watching a game because I know I will be frustrated at the play calling.  RUN RUN RUN -- play action pass -- bombs away!  That's the formula for success for Joe Flacco!

[Sami84]

For me this off season is all about the offensive line. Sign Matt Paradis at C. Draft A top Gaurd in the 2nd round. Get your legit OLB pass rusher in the 1st. Boy if we could just lose every game and get myles garrett..

 

sadly the browns will just trade for a million picks for another team to get him. they wont trade to us.

[darklight1216]

3 hours ago, Maryland said:

I'm honestly surprised the debate over Trestman is so one-sided. Usually there's a contingency of fans defending the coach.

Nothing good has happened since Trestman arrived.

Harbs' record has been among the best in NFL history. Pees is a Superbowl winning coordinator. Cam Cameron helped a 5-11 team go  to the AFCCG despite being helmed by a rookie qb. 

Trestman has no defenders because there is nothing to defend. The Ravens are 8-13 since he arrived and have never won by more than 1 score with him.

[KBoum]

I'm from Canada near the city where Trestman coached in the CFL for a few seasons. He's a good strategical coach but he's no NFL OC. Larger field in the CFL and only 3 downs so passing is vital. In the NFL you gotta use the run MORE.

 

I've been saying this for 2 years, I liked Trestman but only has an assistant coach : passing game coordinator/qb coach. I really wanted Kyle Shanahan to be the OC and Run Game coordinator and a great playcaller unlike Trestman who relies too often on old school passing concepts. Sure you can't reinvente football but you gotta help the receivers with some schemes just like the Gilmore TD who I though was a great designed play. But at the end of the day, when the run is so effiecient and you stop using it, when you have an history of throwing 70% and running 30%, thats not the type of OC I want in the AFC North Ravens football.

[Jacquouille]

4 hours ago, Maryland said:

I'm honestly surprised the debate over Trestman is so one-sided. Usually there's a contingency of fans defending the coach.

I mean, looking at the offense as a whole, I still can't put all of the blame on Trestman. The OL came into this game missing Stanley, and with Wagner going out in the 2nd half, it became even more jumbled. Protection wasn't great between this game and last, and without great protection, it's harder to throw it deep, since deeper plays take time to develop. Plus, it seems like no one on this team other than Steve Smith can get separation, and no one except Steve and Pitta can make a tough catch in traffic. Perriman has had at least 1 drop per game, Wallace short-arms/body-catches everything, Moore has drop problems, and Aiken can't get separation to make a clean catch. Plus our run game was weak to start the season because Zuttah and Forsett were struggling, putting even more burden on Joe at the time, though the run game has improved since then.

So, I think you have to put some of the blame on the players for not executing. Anyone who wants to scapegoat Trestman for everything that is going wrong is being irrational. 

Having said all of that, I recognize that Trestman is definitely at fault for some amount of what has gone wrong. Abandoning the run is inexcusable, especially when the game is close, running is effective, and it would help mitigate the problems with pass-protection. The dink and dunks are far too frequent, though I wonder if this is more a factor of people not getting open downfield coupled with pressure (would need to watch all-22). Any penalty on offense kills the drive because we cannot possibly pick up penalty yardage + first down yardage with our dink-and-dunk style, and it seems our offense generates a lot of holding penalties, at least the past few games. 

I'm hoping Harbaugh and the players can have a discussion and work themselves through their problems without firing Trestman--that's probably what they'll do and then re-assess near the BYE. It's unrealistic to expect Trestman to be fired this early imo.

I have no problem with dink and dunk either--that's what offenses like the Patriots and Andy Reid do. However, they also use the run effectively and take a deep shot down-field every now and then for big gains. Trestman seems to be too reliant on dump-offs and screen passes. 

The OL struggled because everyone new it was going to be a pass, so the Skins blitzed for the entire 2nd half and played man in coverage, which was effective because Trestman forbids 10+ yards throws.

When West was running the OL was holding up just fine.

And that's the bottom line, Trestman is killing this offense's potential and identity all by himself. What happened yesterday was the most embarassing play call I've ever seen.

[KBoum]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

The OL struggled because everyone new it was going to be a pass, so the Skins blitzed for the entire 2nd half and played man in coverage, which was effective because Trestman forbids 10+ yards throws.

When West was running the OL was holding up just fine.

And that's the bottom line, Trestman is killing this offense's potential and identity all by himself. What happened yesterday was the most embarassing play call I've ever seen.

The offense was even more predictable than the good old Cam Cameron Run Run Pass patern. Now with Trestman in the 2nd half its :

Short Pass

Short Pass

Short Pass

[Jacquouille]

Just now, KBoum said:

The offense was even more predictable than the good old Cam Cameron Run Run Pass patern. Now with Trestman in the 2nd half its :

Short Pass

Short Pass

Short Pass

I would have said: incomplete pass, pass with negative yardage or sack, 6 yard pass. 45 yards punt.

[JasonPecynski]

He calls stupid plays that cost us 2 games and we need to rebuild are o line 

[flynismo]

Is he gone yet?

[harfordravenfan]

Apparently it's not just fans saying it...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/norvs-new-weapon-flaccos-play-caller-isnt-elite-more-nfl-notes/

[darklight1216]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Is he gone yet?

It took nearly 4 years for Cam to get canned. I'm not sure how realistic it is to expect Trestman to leave so soon.

 

Then again, Cameron never helped the Ravens toward a losing season... so maybe there's a chance. 

[Moderator 3]

2 hours ago, darklight1216 said:

Nothing good has happened since Trestman arrived.

Harbs' record has been among the best in NFL history. Pees is a Superbowl winning coordinator. Cam Cameron helped a 5-11 team go  to the AFCCG despite being helmed by a rookie qb. 

Trestman has no defenders because there is nothing to defend. The Ravens are 8-13 since he arrived and have never won by more than 1 score with him.

I'm close to the biggest homer there is and I can't defend him.  

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, darklight1216 said:

It took nearly 4 years for Cam to get canned. I'm not sure how realistic it is to expect Trestman to leave so soon.

 

Then again, Cameron never helped the Ravens toward a losing season... so maybe there's a chance. 

Very true, but on the other hand, fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice...perhaps we took some mental notes from the Cam experience

[flynismo]

You know, I really feel a bit guilty for calling for a man (a good man at that) to lose his job. We've all been there at one point or another, or have faced the possibility of it happening, whether it was due to our own faults or things out of our control. I can't feel good about that.

But it has to be done. I am certain there must be some serious dialog going on right now between Biscuit and Ozzie and Harbs

[Bryden88]

At least under Cam we could blow out a divisional rival.

[Tru11]

yawn.

at some point we need to stop blaming the OC only and also look at the players and if you want to blame the coaches then have a look at all of them and not just the 1 that is easy to target.

O-line is a mess, well who is the o-line coach?
WR are dropping passes, well who is the wr coach?
QB has sloppy mechanics, well who is the QB coach?

most of the issues the ravens have are pretty much been around over numerous OC.

If some passes where caught we wont be complaining about the OC.
if the o-line could block for longer then a second we wont be complaining about the OC.

doubt an OC can come in and magically make the o-line become that much better or have the wrs hang on to balls better.

seems people forget that positions coaches also have a job as well they should be doing....

 

 

 

[Sun Zulu]

9 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

yawn.

at some point we need to stop blaming the OC only and also look at the players and if you want to blame the coaches then have a look at all of them and not just the 1 that is easy to target.

O-line is a mess, well who is the o-line coach?
WR are dropping passes, well who is the wr coach?
QB has sloppy mechanics, well who is the QB coach?

most of the issues the ravens have are pretty much been around over numerous OC.

If some passes where caught we wont be complaining about the OC.
if the o-line could block for longer then a second we wont be complaining about the OC.

doubt an OC can come in and magically make the o-line become that much better or have the wrs hang on to balls better.

seems people forget that positions coaches also have a job as well they should be doing....

 

 

 

Granted you have some points, but that's why everyone is calling for some type of change to the thought process w/ the offense. Why keep leaning on what's not working (w/ the passing) late in a game when it matters the most when the run game is not only effective but punishing the other team?? Why lean away from what worked in the first half of the game? Are there adjustments happening that us as viewers aren't seeing because it didn't look like Washington could stop West. Do these snaps have anything to do with money? I don't know, all I know is that boy was killing them on the ground and he literally wasn't given the chance to ice the game. That's stupid and completely on the OC. 

Baltimore has always been a run first team. Doing that sets up the play action pass & opens everything else up with the passing game because they have to respect the run. All respect due to Joe Flacco, he's a Super Bowl MVP and a great QB but whenever he starts throwing as much as he did yesterday, more often than not the Ravens lose. At this point he is who he is (it's been, what, 8-9 years?) and when you look at when Kubiak was here 2 years ago with the same o-line and wr coaches, (though arguably more talent on the left side of the line), the philosophy he bought w/ the run/pass game is proof that Trestman isn't maximizing the Ravens strengths.  

I don't know man but what happened at the end of the game yesterday is inexcusable and is a direct result of play calling which is Trestman's responsibility. 

[MGoPurple]

Well 

31 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

yawn.

at some point we need to stop blaming the OC only and also look at the players and if you want to blame the coaches then have a look at all of them and not just the 1 that is easy to target.

O-line is a mess, well who is the o-line coach?
WR are dropping passes, well who is the wr coach?
QB has sloppy mechanics, well who is the QB coach?

most of the issues the ravens have are pretty much been around over numerous OC.

If some passes where caught we wont be complaining about the OC.
if the o-line could block for longer then a second we wont be complaining about the OC.

doubt an OC can come in and magically make the o-line become that much better or have the wrs hang on to balls better.

seems people forget that positions coaches also have a job as well they should be doing....

 

 

 

Well Kubiack used essentiall the same o-line and Wr coach and did much better. Why not Trestman who essentially is still using the core Kubiak schemes. Not fan of o-line coach Juan either Harbaugh needs to stop hoarding the discards. He has to be loyal to his friends but not at the expense of the team. Joe can't be taking so much beatings