Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[K-Dog]

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Saw this on Wikipedia

During his career as an Offensive Coordinator, Mornhinweg's offenses have finished 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, and 12th in total offense, and regularly highly ranked in big plays.

He also has coached every single offensive position.

Sound good.
Let's hire him, not whose job is that ?
Anyone here ?  No ?

Dang.
I wish it were that easy....

[ravens rule]

I mean if the bills can fire their oc 1 week into the season, what's stopping us from doing the same. I don't think its a big deal to promote Mornhinweg. He has a lot of experience in this system.

[cobrajet]

Since the "Fire Trestman Petition" thread was merged, we needed to add a poll to this thread for a fan vote when they merged it because I really wanted to see if after this game a super majority of members responding were on board with that petition. Because this is a general thread for any Trestman comment, we are not going to have a good answer on this thread from members for me to know that specific question.  This was the perfect week for that specific thread, since in the Game Day thread so many members were calling for his firing this particular week. IMHO it was so many more than normal, it really stood out. It has been a long long time since that many members called for someone's head. There were a lot of "Fire Pees" posts last season when the defense gave up so many fourth quarter leads, but IMHO, not like it was today with the "Fire Trestman" posts. Of course our organization is not reading most of our comments, but it might be useful information (on some level) if it got back to them if lets say a very large number of fans on this official Ravens site voted to give him the boot. You just never know.

[cookiedood]

I have read all of the comments about Trestman and I can't disagree with any of them. It is time for a reallity check. Either the Ravens have the very worst co-ordinators in the NFL, or the players just are not very good. You all can decide for yourself. As for me, I think that both apply.One thing is certain and that is that Trestman is here to stay as long as Harbaugh is calling the shots. He will always defend his hiring choices and never sees them as the problem. At least Rex Ryan had enough good sense to recognize that his job was in jeopardy and fired his offensive co-ordinator ( they havn't lost a game since then ) . You can forget about the playoffs folks, this team is done, You can roll them over and stick a fork in them. When you lose two in a row at home, how much hope is there for getting any wins on the road. Pitiful, just plain pitiful.

[Moderator 3]

Just now, cobrajet said:

Since the "Fire Trestman Petition" thread was merged, we needed to add a poll to this thread for a fan vote when they merged it because I really wanted to see if after this game a super majority of members responding were on board with that petition. Because this is a general thread for any Trestman comment, we are not going to have a good answer on this thread from members for me to know that specific question.  This was the perfect week for that specific thread, since in the Game Day thread so many members were calling for his firing this particular week. IMHO it was so many more than normal, it really stood out. It has been a long long time since that many members called for someone's head. There were a lot of "Fire Pees" posts last season when the defense gave up so many fourth quarter leads, but IMHO, not like it was today with the "Fire Trestman" posts. Of course our organization is not reading most of our comments, but it might be useful information (on some level) if it got back to them if lets say a very large number of fans on this official Ravens site voted to give him the boot. You just never know.

They may not read all of the individual posts, but the FO darn well knows the gist of what the fans are saying.

[BmoreBird22]

Harbaugh said the Ravens didn't abandon the run, but thr final 22 play calls were passes. 

The final TWENTY TWO. 

[RavensFanMania]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Harbaugh said the Ravens didn't abandon the run, but thr final 22 play calls were passes. 

The final TWENTY TWO. 

How can he say this

[PurpleCity5]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Harbaugh said the Ravens didn't abandon the run, but thr final 22 play calls were passes. 

The final TWENTY TWO. 

I know right! What on Earth kind of statement is that? I think West deserves to take a shot at Harbaugh for that statement. He played his heart out and gets you 95 yards on a mere 11 carries and you say something like that? You stopped running because you weren't getting 1st downs? I would feel very disrespected If I were Terrance. Maybe you can say I'm twisting it because I don't think it's a shot by Harbaugh, but I would be thrown off by that comment if I were West. 

[RaineV1]

18 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Didn't he do a lot of that with "The Sanchize".

No. His New York stint was with Geno. Which might be worst.

[jazz1988]

 

I don't like the idea of Marc Trestman being fired because it yet again gives Flacco a new offensive coordinator . I rather have Joe Flacco and  MarcTrestman just talk about how they want the offense to be like going further and get on the same page. 

[The Raven]

Just now, Deflated Football said:

Politically correct thing to say. He's not going to throw anyone under the buss in front of the media. Let him take care of it behind closed doors. 

what..?

[JO_75]

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun  6m6 minutes ago

Lot of questions whether OC Marc Trestman is in jeopardy of losing job. Harbaugh gave no indication that was case after the game but

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun  6m6 minutes ago

the frustration with the offense/Trestman's play calling was palpable throughout the Ravens' locker room.

 

[jimmypowder]

3 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

I don't like the idea of Marc Trestman being fired because it yet again gives Flacco a new offensive coordinator . I rather have Joe Flacco and  MarcTrestman just talk about how they want the offense to be like going further and get on the same page. 

No . He needs to go . I'd rather have Joe call all the plays than continue to have Trestman call them . 

[flynismo]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Harbaugh said the Ravens didn't abandon the run, but thr final 22 play calls were passes. 

The final TWENTY TWO. 

I love Harbs dearly. Just don't lie to us or treat us like we are stupid.

[PurpleCity5]

Just now, jazz1988 said:

 

I don't like the idea of Marc Trestman being fired because it yet again gives Flacco a new offensive coordinator . I rather have Joe Flacco and  MarcTrestman just talk about how they want the offense to be like going further and get on the same page. 

It's not the new OC, it's the new system. Joe has said that getting into a new system isn't that big of a deal, besides we won't be going through that adjustment period during the season, the new OC will be using the same system. 

[cobrajet]

Just now, Moderator 3 said:

They may not read all of the individual posts, but the FO darn well knows the gist of what the fans are saying.

I would like to think so, although a lot of fans say that our comments do not influence the organization, although I think at times they just may.

[PurpleCity5]

WOAH! Ok, here we go...

 

Jeff Zrebiec 

✔@jeffzrebiecsun

the frustration with the offense/Trestman's play calling was palpable throughout the Ravens' locker room.

Edited October 10, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[flynismo]

4 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

I don't like the idea of Marc Trestman being fired because it yet again gives Flacco a new offensive coordinator . I rather have Joe Flacco and  MarcTrestman just talk about how they want the offense to be like going further and get on the same page. 

I don't like the idea of Marc Trestman being fired because I don't like the idea of anyone losing their job. It's nothing personal, but he is just not what this team needs.

[Deflated Football]

6 minutes ago, The Raven said:

what..?

Sorry, was quoting someone else in this thread but somehow quoted you on accident lol. I deleted that post but you were quick to reply! 

[jazz1988]

Just now, PurpleCity5 said:

It's not the new OC, it's the new system. Joe has said that getting into a new system isn't that big of a deal, besides we won't be going through that adjustment period during the season, the new OC will be using the same system. 

Marc Trestman was running Gary Kubiak system last year and you could tell Joe Flacco was uncomfortable. It's not just the system but the quarterbacks and others on offense have to adjust to how the  offensive coordinator wants to run things. I think it's definitely a feeling each otherout  process especially between the quarterback and offensive coordinator.

[jazz1988]

4 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I don't like the idea of Marc Trestman being fired because I don't like the idea of anyone losing their job. It's nothing personal, but he is just not what this team needs.

I understand that because he can be too pass happy at times but so can Marty Mornhinweg who would be the most likely candidate to replace him. 

[cobrajet]

5 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun  6m6 minutes ago

Lot of questions whether OC Marc Trestman is in jeopardy of losing job. Harbaugh gave no indication that was case after the game but

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun  6m6 minutes ago

the frustration with the offense/Trestman's play calling was palpable throughout the Ravens' locker room.

 

Even the players feel the same way us fans do. If the fans' opinions do not carry much influence, maybe the players opinions will carry it for us! 

[JO_75]

I'd hate to waste the defense on a poor OC like Trestman. We have a Super Bowl defense at the helm that can shut down opposing offenses in January. I have no doubt that we could make a run for Houston in January but we need a OC who can score enough points to win. We aren't quite like 2000 where the offense could score 20 and be safe but we should be putting games away with ease. Fire Trestman..... everything will come together.

[PurpleCity5]

2 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Marc Trestman was running Gary Kubiak system last year and you could tell Joe Flacco was uncomfortable. It's not just the system but the quarterbacks and others on offense have to adjust to how the  offensive coordinator wants to run things. I think it's definitely a feeling each otherout  process especially between the quarterback and offensive coordinator.

No one is denying an adjustment period, but point is that if the guy isn't getting the job done, than that's that. When players start mumbling things that's when things go down hill for a coach.

[PurpleCity5]

Even after today, the Redskins defense is still 27th in the league, that's how awful they were. 

[Inqui]

Just now, jazz1988 said:

I understand that because he can be too pass happy at times but so can Marty Mornhinweg who would be the most likely candidate to replace him. 

Tbh I think anyone we hire will get people frustrated at some point. A lot of people seem to wish we had Kyle Shanahan, but Washington fans got sick of him abandoning the run on a regular basis too. Pretty much the only OCs you don't see fans complaining about become HCs pretty quickly.

I'm coming around to the Fire Trestman bandwagon. There's only so much you can do with the OL collapsing after one or two seconds on every play, but abandoning the run when you're at 8ypa and it's getting grating to see us dial up an array of three-yard passes with the expectation that the WR will beat his first tackler. It's like how Cam used to dial up plays as if Torrey Smith were Michael Irvin and then wonder why we kept stalling. If we fire him I could see Harbaugh doing it ahead of the bye week, which would give Trestman two weeks to save himself. But knowing the due diligence we like to do on our candidates we could also end up canning him in the offseason and getting a proper replacement. Time will tell.

I don't even mind playing dink and dunk either. You just have to keep moving the chains, and we're not even getting that done. I can't say I'd be opposed to a change in one way or another.

[Ncravenfan1]

How can you abandon west he was on fire first quarter then a total of less than 10 runs in 3 quarters we do not have tom Brady sorry flacco but we have to have a running game and Marc is not going to call run plays so our offense has no hope get used to competing with the browns with Marc calling the plays cause that's the caliber offense we have defense can't win when offense can move the ball enough to even generate a field position battle much less put up points. Mosley had to dive on his pick because he knew if he didn't offense would pass 3 times from the one yard line for negative yards 

[jazz1988]

6 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

No one is denying an adjustment period, but point is that if the guy isn't getting the job done, than that's that. When players start mumbling things that's when things go down hill for a coach.

I understand that but i think the players have to blame themselves as well. I saw dropped passes and Flacco not having enough time to throw the ball. I think Marc Trestman should have ran the ball more but I also think players left plays on the field. I do agree when I look at this offense it looks like there isn't identity and it just seems lost at times.

[PurpleCity5]

1 minute ago, Inqui said:

Tbh I think anyone we hire will get people frustrated at some point. A lot of people seem to wish we had Kyle Shanahan, but Washington fans got sick of him abandoning the run on a regular basis too. Pretty much the only OCs you don't see fans complaining about become HCs pretty quickly.

I'm coming around to the Fire Trestman bandwagon. There's only so much you can do with the OL collapsing after one or two seconds on every play, but abandoning the run when you're at 8ypa and it's getting grating to see us dial up an array of three-yard passes with the expectation that the WR will beat his first tackler. It's like how Cam used to dial up plays as if Torrey Smith were Michael Irvin and then wonder why we kept stalling. If we fire him I could see Harbaugh doing it ahead of the bye week, which would give Trestman two weeks to save himself. But knowing the due diligence we like to do on our candidates we could also end up canning him in the offseason and getting a proper replacement. Time will tell.

I don't even mind playing dink and dunk either. You just have to keep moving the chains, and we're not even getting that done. I can't say I'd be opposed to a change in one way or another.

OL wasn't covering long enough, but everyone knows that if pressure and blitzes is a problem the best way to counter that is...running the ball. After that once defenses bring more guys in the box you hit them with a bootleg or a fake, now of course its not that easy, but everything we could have done to help our cause, we seem to run away from it. We just went closer to things that hurt us. Now short passes plays into man-coverage so at that point you're not taking what the defense gives you but instead you're playing into the defense, you're doing exactly what you want them to do and that's why you only got 10 points. Players are even pissed about today and West better be, he deserves to be pissed, Harbaugh said some stuff after the game that I wouldn't take lightly if I were him. He played his heart out and Harbaugh made it seem he was ineffective. 

I know people are going to say, "When these are professional players!", well damn that, these are professional coaches. Players play and coaches coach. I don't think we did either today. 

I don't mind dink dunk either, It doesn't make me upset but you need a couple of big plays per game. Problem is players fail to execute in the red-zone. Play calling in the red was awful too. Pass two straight times and run on a 3rd and 9? Why the hell does Trestman or who ever called the play there act like 3rd and 9 is 3rd or 29 or 3rd and 39, it's just 9 yards, 9 YARDs. Horrible play call on that series. 

[sflegend89]

42 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

I don't like the idea of Marc Trestman being fired because it yet again gives Flacco a new offensive coordinator . I rather have Joe Flacco and  MarcTrestman just talk about how they want the offense to be like going further and get on the same page. 

You don't think they've already done this after these anemic performances? I have news, they aren't figuring out anything new at this point. 

What you see is what you get with Trestman's offense. While it's possible to make minor improvements there will be no major change. There's no magic overnight solution here, Trestman is firmly on the hot seat.