Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[JO_75]

35 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Harbaugh is too stingy when it comes to firing his friends. As much as I would like to see a change at OC, I'm really iffy that it'll actually happen. 

This here I think why the myth that Biscotti fired Cam in 2012 exists. Harbs is too loyal to fire his coordinators, so most think that the call came from above him, being Steve.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

If not Trestman, than who? What options do we have at mid season? Anybody good out there without a job?

[Bryden88]

I'm not normally the one to say this but... I'm saying it.

 

Trestman has to go. Period. We have the team. We need the right plays called. We should have been pounding the ball the whole 2nd half and instead... well... you saw the game.

[PurpleCity5]

1 minute ago, JO_75 said:

This here I think why the myth that Biscotti fired Cam in 2012 exists. Harbs is too loyal to fire his coordinators, so most think that the call came from above him, being Steve.

It was just a rumor but I don't think Steve was fond of Cam. Steve is the type of guy who lets GMs and Coaches do there job. Thank goodness we have an owner like that.

[Edgar]

It won't surprise me if he's fired this week.

[Bandwagon]

Just now, Edgar said:

It won't surprise me if he's fired this week.

It will be dissapointment if he doesnt..

[PurpleCity5]

8 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

If not Trestman, than who? What options do we have at mid season? Anybody good out there without a job?

Thats the problem, no one on the coaching staff appears to have a lot of play calling experiance. At seasons end there has to be a change IMO if this keeps up

[TurkishRaven]

Another run TD from cowboys. The more I watch them run it the more I get angry to Trestman. And our run game was on point today, I just cannot understand how he did not want to run the ball in the second half after seeing how it worked in the first half. Almost like he wanted to lose this game. 

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

Trestman needs to go. There's no reason to keep him here. His reluctancy to run the ball hurt us and the lack of deep balls to Wallace our other receivers really hurt us.

[Darhk_Raven]

10 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Thats the problem, no one on the coaching staff appears to have a lot of play calling experiance. At seasons end there has to be a change IMO if this keeps up

Marty Mornhinweg is currently on the coaching staff. 6 out of the 7 years he has been a Offensive Coordinator in the NFL he has had a top 10 offense. 

Edited October 9, 2016 by Darhk_Raven

[Deflated Football]

Starting at the 15 in the red zone after the fumble recovery, going backwards one yard and ending up at the 16 and faking the field goal and not getting anything out of it was the absolute last straw for me with Trestman. Yea, the fake field goal was Harbaugh's fault, but to go backwards after ridiculously good field position? I really feel bad for the vets on this team like Weddle, Senior and others who are leaving it all on the field and only racking up two straight losses at home due to extremely poor playcalling. 

[Deflated Football]

Also, Flacco is throwing it wayyyy too much this season. West has been on fire in the last two weeks. He needs to tote it at least 20+ times a game. That's our identity and that's how we beat teams by setting up the play action and throwing the deep ball. Get someone in here who can work with Flacco's strengths. 

[GrimCoconut]

Flacco doesn't sound at all happy in his interview and it sounds like there's real tension here. I'm not sure if it's with Marc but you can tell Flacco is upset and tired of this and he's sick of not converting. Some change will come and I'm not sure what but it will come. There's no way the team sits idly by and does nothing to fix this. 

[flynismo]

48 minutes ago, Darhk_Raven said:

What would you consider to be his biggest problem? 

One stat should say it all:

(through five games)

217 pass attempts

123 rushing attempts

Let that sink in...we're on pace to throw the ball nearly 700 times this year!

Only once in NFL history has a QB thrown 700 times. At our current rate, we would have the second highest total in league history.

 

His biggest problem is his completely and utterly unbalanced play calling. His unwillingness to stick with the run game.

A close second is his total lack of situational playcalling. I mean, if you're going to challenge the NFL record for pass attempts in a season, at least attack all levels of a defense. Not every pass has to be a -3 yard dump to the HB, or a WR screen, or any route that doesn't allow the ball to travel more than 5 yards in the air. If it's 3 and 9 near the goal line, calling a run probably isn't what you want to do. If it's 3 and 13, calling a 5 yard dig to SSS probably isn't quite right. Etc etc.

[The Raven]

As I've said before, I'm not one for putting all the blame on coaches and firing them midseason, but it's abundantly clear that this thing isn't even close to working. I'd advocate a change.

The question is whether we have an OC in the wings. I don't think we do. Marty Morninwheg has done the job but not well. I don't see any other legit options.

I remember hoping for Kyle Shanahan and being disappointed when we lost that opportunity.

[Deflated Football]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Flacco doesn't sound at all happy in his interview and it sounds like there's real tension here. I'm not sure if it's with Marc but you can tell Flacco is upset and tired of this and he's sick of not converting. Some change will come and I'm not sure what but it will come. There's no way the team sits idly by and does nothing to fix this. 

Probably only if Steve intervenes. Harbs doesn't have the peanuts to make this kind of decision. 

[Sir Spooky]

18 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Thats the problem, no one on the coaching staff appears to have a lot of play calling experiance. At seasons end there has to be a change IMO if this keeps up

Didn't stop them in 2012 when they gave Caldwell the playbook. Caldwell had never been an OC prior to the 2012 playoffs. Marty Morhinweg (current QB coach) was an OC in the past. He's had some success and some failure. 

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, The Raven said:

As I've said before, I'm not one for putting all the blame on coaches and firing them midseason, but it's abundantly clear that this thing isn't even close to working. I'd advocate a change.

The question is whether we have an OC in the wings. I don't think we do. Marty Morninwheg has done the job but not well. I don't see any other legit options.

I remember hoping for Kyle Shanahan and being disappointed when we lost that opportunity.

@BmoreBird22 brought up a good point in promoting Engram. 

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, Deflated Football said:

Probably only if Steve intervenes. Harbs doesn't have the peanuts to make this kind of decision. 

No I don't think that matters. We won games with Cam but we're losing them with Trestman and that'll get you fired 

[jimmypowder]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Flacco doesn't sound at all happy in his interview and it sounds like there's real tension here. I'm not sure if it's with Marc but you can tell Flacco is upset and tired of this and he's sick of not converting. Some change will come and I'm not sure what but it will come. There's no way the team sits idly by and does nothing to fix this. 

The offense with Trestman is in the most turmoil I have ever seen on a Ravens team .Joe is angry . 

I think it's a better than 50-50 chance he gets canned tomorrow . 

[The Raven]

Just now, Deflated Football said:

@BmoreBird22 brought up a good point in promoting Engram. 

While he has shown promise and has done better developing WRs than any WR coach we've had, his position group is part of the problem right now.

[PurpleCity5]

14 minutes ago, Darhk_Raven said:

Marty Mornhinweg is currently on the coaching staff. 6 out of the 7 years he has been a Offensive Coordinator in the NFL he has had a top 10 offense. 

Forgot about that but the reviews aren't that great. I think he can be a guy to replace Trestman during the season. Not a guy I would make as the OC going forward.

[flynismo]

4 minutes ago, The Raven said:

While he has shown promise and has done better developing WRs than any WR coach we've had, his position group is part of the problem right now.

Indeed. Although...could he be worse than what we've seen this far? Engram always struck me as a smart guy, going back to his days in SEA (I say SEA because he did his best work there)

Edited October 9, 2016 by flynismo

[allblackraven]

I wouldn't have any issue with dumping Trestman, regardless of who the new OC becomes. It just cannot get any worse than it is.

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

How can a team average 16 points per game on offense. How? Trestman needs to go.

[Darhk_Raven]

2 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Forgot about that but the reviews aren't that great. I think he can be a guy to replace Trestman during the season. Not a guy I would make as the OC going forward.

I think his reviews are bad because he spent 2013/14 as the coordinator for the Jets. Andy Reid was willing to turn play calling over to him from '06-'12. Up until that point he always called the plays.

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

How can a team average 16 points per game on offense. How? Trestman needs to go.

By throwing the ball 700 times a year.

Only other person to ever do that was Stafford, and in 727 attempts, DET went 4-12, and Stafford managed a whopping 20 TDs. How do you throw 700 times in an offense with Calvin Johnson, and get 20 passings TDs to show for it? Playcalling and a balanced offense does indeed make that big a difference.

[jimmypowder]

10 minutes ago, flynismo said:

By throwing the ball 700 times a year.

Only other person to ever do that was Stafford, and in 727 attempts, DET went 4-12, and Stafford managed a whopping 20 TDs. How do you throw 700 times in an offense with Calvin Johnson, and get 20 passings TDs to show for it? Playcalling and a balanced offense does indeed make that big a difference.

Throwing 700 2 yard passes ! 

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, jimmypowder said:

Throwing 700 2 yard passes ! 

On 3rd and 13

[DomMcRaven]

2 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Can we keep Chloe?

I concur fully with this statement.