Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[KSweeley]

Link: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-preston-column-trestman-tab-20160906-story.html

 

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Offensive coordinator Marc Trestman could be the fall guy in 2016 if the Ravens don't succeed.

The Ravens haven't been to the playoffs in two of the last three seasons and last year fell to 5-11 after going 10-6 in 2014. The only thing that dropped faster was a franchise-best offense from 2014 that finished No. 26 in rushing and No. 23 in third down efficiency in 2015.

Somebody has to be accountable.

Barring a total collapse, it is unlikely to be coach John Harbaugh, who would appear to have at least a one-year reprieve. It won't be defensive coordinator Dean Pees because his group played well at the end of last season and he now has some outstanding young talent.

That leaves Trestman. It's unfortunate and unfair, but Baltimore fans like to point fingers at offensive coordinators because the Ravens haven't had many who have put together good seasons for consecutive years.

 

[Tru11]

good things fans dont make the calls.

losing the top QB, top WR ,top RB, top LT and the top draft pick to season ending injuries wont bode well for any offense in the league.....

[usmccharles]

Until Joe got hurt he was on pace for his best season.  Trestman did well with what he to work with, this year we will be able to gauge better.  I remember someone on here made a thread after week 1 and was saying Trestman's offense doesn't fit here.  really.....

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Until Joe got hurt he was on pace for his best season.  Trestman did well with what he to work with, this year we will be able to gauge better.  I remember someone on here made a thread after week 1 and was saying Trestman's offense doesn't fit here.  really.....

In terms of yardage, yes. But he was also on pace to throw 19 INTS, the worst since 2013. I think yardage isn't as important as throwing picks.

I will give it to you when you said Trestman did a good job working with what he had. He really developed Kamar Aiken well, for example.

[redrum52]

25 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

good things fans dont make the calls.

losing the top QB, top WR ,top RB, top LT and the top draft pick to season ending injuries wont bode well for any offense in the league.....

 

9 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Until Joe got hurt he was on pace for his best season.  Trestman did well with what he to work with, this year we will be able to gauge better.  I remember someone on here made a thread after week 1 and was saying Trestman's offense doesn't fit here.  really.....

The offense still wasn't producing even before Joe or SSS went down.

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

In terms of yardage, yes. But he was also on pace to throw 19 INTS, the worst since 2013. I think yardage isn't as important as throwing picks.

I will give it to you when you said Trestman did a good job working with what he had. He really developed Kamar Aiken well, for example.

Yea but Trestman cant control Joe making bad decisions.  Joe threw off his back foot a lot last year and just made some bad decisions.  I agree its not about yards, but we were in every game that Joe played. 

 

1 minute ago, redrum52 said:

The offense still wasn't producing even before Joe or SSS went down.

I disagree.  With Joe the lowest points we put up was 16, 18, 13.  We were putting up good numbers, but our defense was getting destroyed, we should win putting up 30 points...2 cases we didn't.  Even with the TOs we were still in every game that Joe played

[KSweeley]

1 hour ago, KSweeley said:

That leaves Trestman. It's unfortunate and unfair, but Baltimore fans like to point fingers at offensive coordinators because the Ravens haven't had many who have put together good seasons for consecutive years.

Is it true that us Ravens fans "like to point fingers at offensive coordinators"?

[KSweeley]

37 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

good things fans dont make the calls.

losing the top QB, top WR ,top RB, top LT and the top draft pick to season ending injuries wont bode well for any offense in the league.....

I consider last year to be a fluke for the Ravens, no one could've anticipated or even predicted that our QB, WR, RB, LT and the top draft pick for WR would all have serious injuries that took them out of playing for a big chunk of the season last year. I'm hoping that won't happen again.

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, KSweeley said:

Is it true that us Ravens fans "like to point fingers at offensive coordinators"?

Well the days of Cam Cameron were pretty rough, when he was fired most of us rejoiced.  Finger will always be pointed somewhere....

[RavensFanMania]

14 minutes ago, KSweeley said:

Is it true that us Ravens fans "like to point fingers at offensive coordinators"?

Thought it was always pees fault.  

[redrum52]

29 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea but Trestman cant control Joe making bad decisions.  Joe threw off his back foot a lot last year and just made some bad decisions.  I agree its not about yards, but we were in every game that Joe played. 

 

I disagree.  With Joe the lowest points we put up was 16, 18, 13.  We were putting up good numbers, but our defense was getting destroyed, we should win putting up 30 points...2 cases we didn't.  Even with the TOs we were still in every game that Joe played

In every game and still losing because they were stagnant.  Yes, the defense stunk early, but waiting until the end or 2nd half of every game to start moving the ball isn't winning football.  

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, redrum52 said:

In every game and still losing because they were stagnant.  Yes, the defense stunk early, but waiting until the end or 2nd half of every game to start moving the ball isn't winning football.  

Well, I guess agree to disagree.

[The Raven]

1 hour ago, KSweeley said:

Is it true that us Ravens fans "like to point fingers at offensive coordinators"?

Undeniably and unquestionably, yes, this is most definitely true. And we point fingers at defensive coordinators too. Hell, we point fingers at just about everyone that isn't a player. If something goes wrong, it's on the coordinator or position coach, not the player, unless the player's name is Joe Flacco, Michael Oher, Gino Gradkowski, or Cary Williams. Those are just about the only players that I remember getting routinely pointed out the past few years.

For whatever reason, our fans hate calling out players, but don't hesitate to call for a coach to be fired for a player's mistake.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Trestman did a fine job last season. True, before the injuries to Smith, Forsett and Flacco, the offense struggled at times, but they were also missing the LT, and had sub par play from Wagner at RT. 

 They have to run the ball with success. That's Raven football. Run the ball, control the clock, make big plays downfield passing. 

 As far as Trestman  being on the hot seat, I don't think so. If the Offense completely fails with a full cast..no major injuries etc.. Maybe.  I doubt that happens though. I think the offense is going to light it up. 

[edthehead]

I am of the few that really believe we will be good,

I  think our offense will have no excuses

as long as joe go ,,, we go

I think we will have some growing pains with out LT and possible LG ( which is why I say no to a complete rookie L side)

but skills position, we are good

wait till K,DIXON get back,,

our offense should be able to average at 60 - 73/74 points per game,lol 

in bart scott voice " CAN'T WAIT "

 

[DomMcRaven]

Is it true that Trestman was still working with Kubiak's playbook last season?

[Ravensfan23]

3 major reasons outside of injuries that i feel the offense struggled last year. 

1. Lack of chemistry and continuity. Even though it was basically the same players from 2014, the offense was different. Trestman was asked to come in and run another man's offense and one that he wasn't as familiar with. So it took some adjusting to making Kubiak's offense as much of his as he possibly could without changing too much. He also had to learn strengths and weaknesses of players, getting a feel for everything. That issue shouldn't show up this year. 

2. Outside of Steve Smith there weren't any play makers on offense. SSS went out and made things happen, while other guys were forced to let the offense come to them because they weren't dynamic. There was no reason to fear names like Brown, Aiken(early), Gilmore, Williams or Boyle. Even with Gilmore, it was more his size that and ability to break tackles that made him dangerous, but teams quickly learned that he wasn't the type that could quickly attack the seams. That is exactly why the Ravens went out and got Watson. It wasn't a panic move as some have said, it was because they desperately needed a stretch TE to put pressure on Safeties and open things up. If nothing else Wallace and Pitta are proven play makers and Aiken showed he could step up last year. So SSS won't be the only option in the passing game this year. 

3. Directly connected to #2 but an issue in it's own right, LACK OF SPEED!!!!! Much like the need for a stretch TE to create space, the Ravens desperately needed  speed on the outside of this offense. Because guys like Aiken, Gilmore and Williams aren't guys who will create space for themselves and it's only so much scheming a OC can do, you need guys who can not only stretch the field deep but wide as well. Now you have Wallace, Perriman, Moore and Pitta who can all put pressure on a defense. There is gonna be so many catch and run options, screen, quick strikes and of course deep shots that result in big plays. This will also help the running game as well. 

Imo Trestman did a hellava job last year. The offense, even when stagnate was always creative and very rarely conservative. Going 5-11 makes it tough to see any positive in the situation, but the offense was certainly a plus last year. The offense was one of the biggest reasons the Ravens were in almost every game last year. Trestman did a really good job considering he was using someone else's offense and wasn't familiar with his players. Now this year, it's the same system, but it's his now. He knows his weapons and how he wants to deploy them, he has a better relationship with his QB and i'm sure more trust overall. My only concern about Trestman is that someone comes knocking next year to make him a HC......hopefully he's too old or too laid back, or people don't see him as HC material. Hell I don't care what it is, just leave him alone. 

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

Undeniably and unquestionably, yes, this is most definitely true. And we point fingers at defensive coordinators too. Hell, we point fingers at just about everyone that isn't a player. If something goes wrong, it's on the coordinator or position coach, not the player, unless the player's name is Joe Flacco, Michael Oher, Gino Gradkowski, or Cary Williams. Those are just about the only players that I remember getting routinely pointed out the past few years.

For whatever reason, our fans hate calling out players, but don't hesitate to call for a coach to be fired for a player's mistake.

...  or the medical staff, or the trainers, or the dieticians. 

True story, someone on these very boards once blamed Cam Cameron ( O.C. at the time ) for Joe Flacco not going on the Polar Bear Plunge.
Sad but true.

[baltimorefan328]

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Well the days of Cam Cameron were pretty rough, when he was fired most of us rejoiced.  Finger will always be pointed somewhere....

Funny, I was just reading an article about LSU and how their offense has looked "stale and unpredictable" with Cam Cameron. I know where i've heard that before.

But back on topic, my number one reason for believing the offense will be better this year is continuity. I am not here arguing Flacco is as good as Brady (except when they play each other in the playoffs) or Rogers or Manning, but all of them have been in the same system for a major part of their career. It's not secret that not having to constantly adjust to a new scheme helps players with comfort and execution. We will see if some long awaited continuity helps the offense as a whole, but I believe it will.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, DomMcRaven said:

Is it true that Trestman was still working with Kubiak's playbook last season?

Yes. It's still the same playbook this year, it'll just have more of his concepts and philosophy 

[kjbmore]

Im just viewing this year as a foundation year for the next chapter in Ravens history. If we can come in mid table Id be happy for the future

If we can have some continuity on offense - as in the same coordinator, the same few guys out there - Flacco throwing to Breshad, Wallace, Moore, Maxx, having some continuity on the line and getting our young backs reps, dixon, west and buck  - a year together - we might not blow the league away this year but Im pretty optimistic for the future with the young group we have on the roster right now with the old hands providing some veteran leadership.

This offense in a couple years could be very dynamic - just need to get a return guy who isnt 60 haha

 

[Raven'evermore]

 For me it's more about what Treastman will do THIS season, especially with all the weapons he has at his disposal.  I don't think that last season was a good indicator of his ability as an oc with all the injuries we suffered.  Also, the only way Treastman leaves is if he's hired as a head coach elsewhere. 

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, baltimorefan328 said:

Funny, I was just reading an article about LSU and how their offense has looked "stale and unpredictable" with Cam Cameron. I know where i've heard that before.

 

Hmmmmmm.

You would think unpredictable would be a good thing.

[Tru11]

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea but Trestman cant control Joe making bad decisions.  Joe threw off his back foot a lot last year and just made some bad decisions.  I agree its not about yards, but we were in every game that Joe played. 

 

I disagree.  With Joe the lowest points we put up was 16, 18, 13.  We were putting up good numbers, but our defense was getting destroyed, we should win putting up 30 points...2 cases we didn't.  Even with the TOs we were still in every game that Joe played

joe was avg 1,4 TD per game and 1.2 INT per game.

basicially he threw 1 TD with 1 INT per game.

we have 1 of the worst redzone offense and 1 of the best redzone defense.

so basicially its just a race to who screws up first or who makes the big play first.

ravens defense was historicially bad at creating turnovers , so very little big plays but then again same goes for the offense.
then again the defense gave up big plays but the offense also turned the ball over.

so they basicially cancelled each other out at being bad lol.

[trevorsteadman]

Well considering Trestman was only here for 1 of those 3 years, and with all the injuries the offense had and they still were the #14 ranked offense (even though they need more production in the red zone) that is impressive when you have 4 different quarterbacks at helm at one point in time.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

Well considering Trestman was only here for 1 of those 3 years, and with all the injuries the offense had and they still were the #14 ranked offense (even though they need more production in the red zone) that is impressive when you have 4 different quarterbacks at helm at one point in time.

Yeah. The fact that the Ravens were even in the top half with everything that happened was great. If there's any coordinator that's safe with the Ravens right now, it's Trestman.

[jboy19]

I think that if Trestman has a bad season he could be fired, if he has a good season he could become a head coach somewhere else, like every other OC not named Cam Cameron. I didn't even think Caldwell did a great job before the Lions hired him. 

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Well the days of Cam Cameron were pretty rough, when he was fired most of us rejoiced.  Finger will always be pointed somewhere....

This is true.

Though its important for fans to remember that Cameron was here for almost five full seasons, and his offense was just as stale and predictable in year 1 as it was in year 5. It took that long for us to make a change.

The reality is that Harbaugh doesn't really fire coordinators that often, or barely ever.

OCs:

Cameron - 2008-2012 (fired mid-season 2012)

Caldwell - 2012-2013 (left for HC job in Detroit)

Kubiak - 2014 (left for HC job in Denver)

Trestman - 2015-current

DCs:

Rex - 2008 (left for HC job in NYJ)

Mattison - 2009-2010 (left for DC job at Michigan)

Pagano - 2011 (left for HC job in Indy)

Pees - 2012-present

So 8 coordinators during the Harbaugh era, and excluding the two current one's, you had 1 firing, 4 promotions, and 1 "lateral" move of Mattison going to Michigan.

Cam Cameron was a suspect coordinator from day 1, and he lasted almost five full years before being fired. Pees has certainly been a suspect coordinator since day 1, and he will be entering year 5 this year.

Harbaugh doesn't fire coordinators after a short period of time, and I highly doubt he cans Trestman after just two years.

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I think that if Trestman has a bad season he could be fired, if he has a good season he could become a head coach somewhere else, like every other OC not named Cam Cameron. I didn't even think Caldwell did a great job before the Lions hired him. 

To be honest Caldwell should have stayed as an OC somewhere at best. He has worked wonders being a QB coach and that is probably his personal best position. I don't think he lasts long in Detroit as the HC. 

 

14 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Yeah. The fact that the Ravens were even in the top half with everything that happened was great. If there's any coordinator that's safe with the Ravens right now, it's Trestman.

I was thinking the same thing. Also there was no running game to go along with that. I think Trestman showed that our passing offense can become consistent as it showed in the preseason, I think he now has a 100% hold on his offense. I think Trestman's job is safe for awhile. 

[RaineV1]

7 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I think that if Trestman has a bad season he could be fired, if he has a good season he could become a head coach somewhere else, like every other OC not named Cam Cameron. I didn't even think Caldwell did a great job before the Lions hired him. 

I don't see Trestman getting a HC again right away since he's been a HC recently and it failed to work out. Kubiak had taken teams to the playoffs as HC before, but Trestman's two years as HC were just very mediocre. He's likely to be seen as just a coordinator by a lot of owners.