Merged: QBs you'd rather have than Flacco

[atomicfront]

Really irrelevant of who is better.  Flacco has a big contract and isn't going anywhere.  Sort of like asking which woman would you prefer over your wife. 

Edited October 17, 2016 by atomicfront

[jdynamite]

On 10/9/2016 at 5:17 PM, OUravensfan said:

Sorry, Perriman drags his foot and Flacco's a hero

Perriman went up for a leaping catch, deep in the back of the end zone with a CB (J.Norman) all over him in real time it appeared to be a TD. The kid gave a helluva effort and his toe came up by centimeters, in super slow motion replay.. 

 

On 10/9/2016 at 5:19 PM, jimmypowder said:

They do teach that in college, don't they? 

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

* No they don't teach getting two feet in bounds in college, because in college only one foot and possession of the ball is required for a catch.  

Tbh, there is a lot that isn't taught in college these days, so many basic fundamentals on both sides of the ball ( some schools do a better job than others ) *Spread offenses- where QBs never get under center, barely learn proper footwork with 5 & 7 step drop-backs.*O-Lineman in two-point stance get to NFL have to be re-tooled to put hand on ground.   *WRs rarely known route trees ( but are now aided by the new skewed rules against touching ). 

*defensively doesn't seem like many are taught how to properly tackle in college. 

Was a good convo last week on Mike & Mike with Herm Edwards & Ryan Clark talking about how college kids lack so many fundamentals that NFL teams basically have to mold them, and teams with coaches that can teach the fundamentals the best have long term success currently. 

[flynismo]

6 hours ago, atomicfront said:

Really irrelevant of who is better.  Flacco has a big contract and isn't going anywhere.  Sort of like asking which woman would you prefer over your wife. 

haha...well, I'm not married -- I'm saving myself for Charlize Theron -- but well played good sir

[OUravensfan]

I'd like to see that QB rating and TD total go up here in the remaining season 

[ravensfan520]

I want Taylor back... can we trade them for eachother... I don't know the cap casualties but he's younger has a strong arm and can move in the pocket... we complain that Flacco is not in the right system everytime we lose and get a new coordinator... but Taylor was never in the right system here.  We catered to Flacco and since his Super bowl he hasn't showed anything.  He may be tough but you can tell that knee injury is bothering him or scaring him. 

[K-Dog]

Yeah I am sure Buffalo will jump on that trade.

[Militant X 1]

2 hours ago, ravensfan520 said:

I want Taylor back... can we trade them for eachother... I don't know the cap casualties but he's younger has a strong arm and can move in the pocket... we complain that Flacco is not in the right system everytime we lose and get a new coordinator... but Taylor was never in the right system here.  We catered to Flacco and since his Super bowl he hasn't showed anything.  He may be tough but you can tell that knee injury is bothering him or scaring him. 

Wake up please and let it go!  We had the man for 4 years as a backup.  Now, Tyrod is the starting QB in Buffalo, where the HC wanted him and the team, taht fanbase and the system supports him!  Good for him!  He's doing his thing over there and looking pretty good.  Well, with the exception of standing behind the guard for the snap last week!  But, he made up for that with an incredible TD pass to end the drive and a win.   

We have Flacco and he's the man here for a few more years.

[ravensfan520]

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Militant X 1 said:

Wake up please and let it go!  We had the man for 4 years as a backup.  Now, Tyrod is the starting QB in Buffalo, where the HC wanted him and the team, taht fanbase and the system supports him!  Good for him!  He's doing his thing over there and looking pretty good.  Well, with the exception of standing behind the guard for the snap last week!  But, he made up for that with an incredible TD pass to end the drive and a win.   

We have Flacco and he's the man here for a few more years.

My point exactly we had him as a backup in a system for Flacco... if we used him in the system we keep saying we want to use such as a running game with playaction and the occasional big plays than Taylor is your guy.  I know he is playing for a team that wants him... but we choose someone different and since that superbowl we have missed the playoffs and you can see the drop in play.  He is not the same guy and without big strong rec's such as Q who where willing to jump and give up there body he isn't completing at the same rate.  Even when he is not presured he is missing throws. It sucks that we didn't draft Prescott when we had the chance.  But we are stuck with Flacco again he's the only option we got.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

Filmstudy pointed out that Joe has ATS (Adequate Time and Space) about 46% of the time.  If we push that number into the 60% realm, Joe will start lighting people up (or at least hit them in the hands, giving them an opportunity to make a catch).  We're not that far off of getting our offense in a position to put more points on the board.

Apparently Joe was worse against the Giants when he didnt face pressure than when he did.

Some of that is probably attributed to him facing so much pressure that he's getting antsy and expecting hits even when the pressure isnt there - so he's rushing throws and not using proper mechanics... but still, it's something that needs improvement beyond just the protection.

I'm afraid the issues with the passing game go beyond OL play. I'm usually among the biggest of Flacco supporters, and he gets way more criticism than he deserves... but so far this season I do think he deserves his fair share.

His pocket presence has not been up to par, even when the pocket is clean. He's flat footed and throwing off-balance or off his back foot far too often. He isnt following through on his throws. He's been off target more than usual... and hes got the talent to be incredibly accurate (that overthrow to Wallace with the game on the line is inexcusable imo).

 

Yes, the OL has been poor and Joe needs more time. That comfort will likely improve his play a great deal. And the receivers need to make the catches that are there, and create more separation. A lot of these relationships are new, so we do need to give them some time to get on the same page. But, Joe has also been part of the problem imo.

At least I'd say he's not helping himself any, or overcoming some of the problems around him to the level i expect a player of his caliber to do (and to the levels he's demonstrated in the past).

[CorvusMagnus]

This is just my personal theory but I think for someone Flacco's size throwing off the back foot takes a heart beat longer then throwing with an abbreviated motion and that is why he is doing it more often. Being able to throw off your back foot means not only having the time and space to set your feet, but that you have already decided where you're throwing and where in time and space that target will be at the point of release before you even begin the motion.

Unfortunately with Steve gone our no. 1 and 2 receivers are new to the offense and Joe. Throw in the fact they are deep threats which requires even more challenging calculations in terms of space and time. Get Flacco comfortable in the pocket and keep building cohesion with Breshad and Mike, you'll see a lot more of those Jacoby/Smith type long bombs.

[Moderator 3]

24 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

This doesn't belong in the positive perspective thread!  This is the one thread where it should be an escape from criticism (whether warranted or not) and negativity.  Please take these type of critiques to one of the other threads.

Moved!

[flynismo]

Humor is always a positive thing, so lets read this gem from our friend Jamison Hensley:

(credit to @Ouravensfan for this)

 

[flynismo]

37 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Humor is always a positive thing, so lets read this gem from our friend Jamison Hensley:

(credit to @Ouravensfan for this)

 

 

 

The humor being Flacco is the most pressured QB in the NFL, his receivers are second in the league in drops and then complains about Flacco being the 27th rated passer and how that isn't acceptable for the 4th highest paid qb in the league...

You can't make this stuff up

Of course, that probably makes me a blind homer for laughing at this stupidity and I'm just making excuses, but....whatevs

[usmccharles]

21 hours ago, ravensfan520 said:

My point exactly we had him as a backup in a system for Flacco... if we used him in the system we keep saying we want to use such as a running game with playaction and the occasional big plays than Taylor is your guy.  I know he is playing for a team that wants him... but we choose someone different and since that superbowl we have missed the playoffs and you can see the drop in play.  He is not the same guy and without big strong rec's such as Q who where willing to jump and give up there body he isn't completing at the same rate.  Even when he is not presured he is missing throws. It sucks that we didn't draft Prescott when we had the chance.  But we are stuck with Flacco again he's the only option we got.

Really? Missed the playoffs since the Super bowl? Do You even fact check yourself on common team knowledge? Apparently not.  

[flynismo]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Really? Missed the playoffs since the Super bowl? Do You even fact check yourself on common team knowledge? Apparently not.  

And some people got mad when I alluded to there being a correlation between being anti-Flacco and low intelligence...I said it then, and I'll say it again, since this is a perfect example -- it isn't the conclusion they arrive to, it's how they arrive to their conclusion that makes me believe that.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

And some people got mad when I alluded to there being a correlation between being anti-Flacco and low intelligence...I said it then, and I'll say it again, since this is a perfect example -- it isn't the conclusion they arrive to, it's how they arrive to their conclusion that makes me believe that.

Yea,  I'm all up for debates and listening to good points,  but if someone doesn't have common knowledge or doesn't even take the time to look stuff up,  there is literally no point in discussing the topic at hand.  I really wish we knew how long some of these people have been following the ravens, that would help tell a full story on credibility,  somewhat. 

[OUravensfan]

On 10/17/2016 at 1:14 AM, atomicfront said:

Really irrelevant of who is better.  Flacco has a big contract and isn't going anywhere.  Sort of like asking which woman would you prefer over your wife. 

Lol. That doesn't matter to some people 

[PurpleHorseman]

I wouldn't replace Flacco. When he has a clean pocket his he throws a very nice football that is fun to watch. SO with that said let us rephrase it to QB's that arouse interest of the question. Can a different QB take the ravens offense to that exclusive club of the great offenses?

Even the most loyal of fans at least think of it once. Jimmy Garappolo has sparked my interest. He has very impressive accuracy and release. He scans his targets at warp speed. And throws his guys open at that precise millisecond.

He lit a fire under Brady during a blowout loss to the chiefs. He came in and looked very sharp and precise to lead a TD drive. Brady stepped his game up next patriots game.

Edited October 21, 2016 by PurpleHorseman

[Virginia 55]

On 10/17/2016 at 1:49 PM, Militant X 1 said:

Wake up please and let it go!  We had the man for 4 years as a backup.  Now, Tyrod is the starting QB in Buffalo, where the HC wanted him and the team, taht fanbase and the system supports him!  Good for him!  He's doing his thing over there and looking pretty good.  Well, with the exception of standing behind the guard for the snap last week!  But, he made up for that with an incredible TD pass to end the drive and a win.   

We have Flacco and he's the man here for a few more years.

Wow..... I was reading your post getting happy until i read the bold print. I'm sure most people thought that Joe was better for all the wrong reasons but clearly he is just average.

I need a game changer at the position.  Not a statue.  

[Virginia 55]

On 10/19/2016 at 0:38 PM, flynismo said:

 

 

The humor being Flacco is the most pressured QB in the NFL, his receivers are second in the league in drops and then complains about Flacco being the 27th rated passer and how that isn't acceptable for the 4th highest paid qb in the league...

You can't make this stuff up

Of course, that probably makes me a blind homer for laughing at this stupidity and I'm just making excuses, but....whatevs

I wouldn't be laughing if Jamison is writing this.  This means that the wheels on the Flacco bandwagon just got weaker.

Now the injury..... while they try to get him going....lol........Bye Flacco!!!!!   

[rmcjacket23]

21 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Wow..... I was reading your post getting happy until i read the bold print. I'm sure most people thought that Joe was better for all the wrong reasons but clearly he is just average.

I need a game changer at the position.  Not a statue.  

LOL, YOU need a game changer. NFL teams don't actually need a game changer.

I would have thought this was quite evident after last season...

[Virginia 55]

On 10/19/2016 at 0:38 PM, flynismo said:

 

 

The humor being Flacco is the most pressured QB in the NFL, his receivers are second in the league in drops and then complains about Flacco being the 27th rated passer and how that isn't acceptable for the 4th highest paid qb in the league...

You can't make this stuff up

Of course, that probably makes me a blind homer for laughing at this stupidity and I'm just making excuses, but....whatevs

Fly, just reading through this thread has me scratching my head. Are you serious????

Do you actually believe that fans are going for your explanations that its everyone's fault but Flacco?

You have defended the guy for years.  He sucks!!! Get over it. We are tired of all the excuses.

Let me spell it out for you and you can have all your buddy's neg me.  

 

Flacco throws off his back foot while facing pressure and sometimes without.

 He stares down his receivers when throwing passes.

He is scared in the big moments in a game. (Ice in his veins)....lol

He locks in on a receiver and will force the ball to him even in double and triple coverage.

He throws way to many jump balls.

The overthrows and underthrows are due to bad pocket mechanics.

At this point in his career we thought we could put the ball in our franchise QB's hands and he could win us some games. <<< BIG MISTAKE.

 

The more Flacco throws the football, the more likely we are to lose.

If he was good you wouldn't say that.   

 

 

 

[Virginia 55]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, YOU need a game changer. NFL teams don't actually need a game changer.

I would have thought this was quite evident after last season...

Please explain. 

[flynismo]

20 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

The more Flacco throws the football, the more likely we are to lose.

If he was good you wouldn't say that.   

I do NOT mean this in an insulting way, so do not take it as such --

This is the problem with you guys who don't like Flacco. You are incapable of thinking things through. It is not exactly a secret that the more any QB throws, the more likely that team is going to lose. Note that I'm talking about once a QB exceeds 40+ attempts per game, the more they throw, the worse it is for the team's chances of winning. There's several reasons for that, and we'll get into that if need be.

Don't believe me?

Since 2008, Flacco's record in games where he threw 40+ pass attempts: 

10 - 22

Pretty horrible right? That proves your point?

 

How about Aaron Rodgers, in the same time span with 40+ pass attempts?

9-19

 

So....tell me again, if he was good, I wouldn't say that...

 

I mean I get it, you hate him, you want him gone, etc etc etc. But at least give REAL reasons, and accept it when you are proven wrong over and over again.

Edited October 21, 2016 by flynismo

[Virginia 55]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

I do NOT mean this in an insulting way, so do not take it as such --

This is the problem with you guys who don't like Flacco. You are incapable of thinking things through. It is not exactly a secret that the more any QB throws, the more likely that team is going to lose. Note that I'm talking about once a QB exceeds 45+ attempts per game, the more they throw, the worse it is for the team's chances of winning. There's several reasons for that, and we'll get into that if need be.

I'm not taking anything you say as an insult.  I seriously think you have been confused since we drafted him. 

 

There are qb's in this league that you can put the ball in their hands and they can deliver you the game.

Then there is Flacco..... That given the opportunity to win a game on his arm, fails miserably.

See last game for an example. 

 

QB's I would rather have over him? 

Literally, anybody with a team friendly contract that can check the ball down. 

 

We can win and lose without the big contract.  He is not a game changer. He is officially a game manager. 

I

 

[Tank 92]

6 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

 

There are qb's in this league that you can put the ball in their hands and they can deliver you the game.

Then there is Flacco..... That given the opportunity to win a game on his arm, fails miserably.

See last game for an example. 

 

 

Not sure how a statement could be more wrong.  lol

Edited October 21, 2016 by Tank 92

[flynismo]

3 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm not taking anything you say as an insult.  I seriously think you have been confused since we drafted him. 

 

There are qb's in this league that you can put the ball in their hands and they can deliver you the game.

Then there is Flacco..... That given the opportunity to win a game on his arm, fails miserably.

See last game for an example. 

 

QB's I would rather have over him? 

Literally, anybody with a team friendly contract that can check the ball down. 

 

We can win and lose without the big contract.  He is not a game changer. He is officially a game manager. 

I

 

He isn't a game changer, just a "game manager"? Managing a game is the biggest aspect of playing QB at a high level.

If you think he isn't a game changer...let me ask you --

Remember back in the Billick era when we had some of the best defenses in the history of the league? Of course you do, you wouldn't be much of a fan if not. Do you also remember missing the playoffs every other year despite those defenses, and having Jamal Lewis beasting it up? I sure do.

Now, it's no secret that our defenses have been nowhere near as good in the Harbaugh era. Yet save for 2013 and last year, we have been in the playoffs every single year. So if our defenses suck in comparison, but now we have Flacco and have never ever been as successful as we have been since he came aboard...why is that?

[flynismo]

5 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Not sure how a statement could be more wrong.  lol

He conveniently ignores the fact that the defense blew the lead Flacco gave them at the end of the game. Guess he wants Flacco to win the game twice for it to mean anything....which ironically, Flacco has done several times (put us in the lead with under five mins, defense blows said lead, then Flacco comes back again and still wins)

[Virginia 55]

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

He isn't a game changer, just a "game manager"? Managing a game is the biggest aspect of playing QB at a high level.

If you think he isn't a game changer...let me ask you --

Remember back in the Billick era when we had some of the best defenses in the history of the league? Of course you do, you wouldn't be much of a fan if not. Do you also remember missing the playoffs every other year despite those defenses, and having Jamal Lewis beasting it up? I sure do.

Now, it's no secret that our defenses have been nowhere near as good in the Harbaugh era. Yet save for 2013 and last year, we have been in the playoffs every single year. So if our defenses suck in comparison, but now we have Flacco and have never ever been as successful as we have been since he came aboard...why is that?

I meant that he isn't even good at managing a game. Hence the 3-3 record in all tight games. 

5tds and 4 picks.  Not really good at managing either. We don't need Flacco at QB with these mediocre numbers bro.

He is hurting the team as much as he is helping. 

[rmcjacket23]

34 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Please explain. 

See the most recent SB. Who was the "game changing" QB on that team?