Merged: QBs you'd rather have than Flacco

[flynismo]

20 hours ago, Sami84 said:

26-27 since the superbowl..

Hilarious!!!! Are you not one of those guys that complain "but it's a team sport, QBs don't get credit for wins"????

hahahahahaha

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Hilarious!!!! Are you not one of those guys that complain "but it's a team sport, QBs don't get credit for wins"????

hahahahahaha

 

 

yeah but if a guy who isnt very good is taking up like 20% of your cap on his own how are you going to build a team? Esp if you havent got a good scouting department and you pick scrubs like correa and brown and elam and perriman and the list goes on and on? patch working with 31 or 32 year old free agents isnt going to get it done..

Edited October 11, 2016 by Sami84

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

yeah but if a guy who isnt very good is taking up like 20% of your cap on his own how are you going to build a team? Esp if you havent got a good scouting department and you pick scrubs like correa and brown and elam and perriman and the list goes on and on? patch working with 31 or 32 year old free agents is going to get it done..

okay, just as long as you acknowledge that what you are saying is the height of hypocrisy, I respect your honesty and we're all good here.

Edited October 11, 2016 by flynismo

[Bruce_Almty]

Joe's an average QB (for being elite) but there are roughly 15 other QBs that are just as "elite" as he in any given year.

[Bruce_Almty]

On 10/9/2016 at 6:19 PM, jimmypowder said:

They do teach that in college, don't they? 

Foot dragging is taught to players throughout their time in college, but only good players learn it.

[loveravensfootball]

On 10/10/2016 at 0:15 AM, Virginia 55 said:

Flacco has been bad ( for his contract) and as I have said multiple times, with play like his why not go Ryan Mallett?

You wouldn't be missing much in terms of a passer and he is a much cheaper option.

Wait... let me guess, now its Trestman, O-line, running-game?

STOP!

All these things were in place against a pretty banged up defense in the Redskins, and still the only constant to the mediocre offense is Flacco.

I know you guys love Flacco. I even like him, but at his current figure he is expendable. I would rather lose now with Mallett then to see someone else on our team blamed for his inflated contract.  

Flacco and Harbaugh can kick rocks.

 

Apparently, you like being out of any contention for a winning record, nevermind playoffs, in October then. 

[Gtown Purple]

Am I the only one who thinks Joe has played fairly well for all the other shortcomings? Did anyone see else Aaron Rodgers struggled last year without Jordy Nelson? Has anyone noticed that Cam Newton has lost 3 games already this year? Jeez..............

[loveravensfootball]

Just now, Gtown Purple said:

Am I the only one who thinks Joe has played fairly well for all the other shortcomings? Did anyone see else Aaron Rodgers struggled last year without Jordy Nelson? Has anyone noticed that Cam Newton has lost 3 games already this year? Jeez..............

 

No, but logic and common sense have a way of disappearing after a loss.

[I AM LEGEND]

5? That's it?

I can honestly name 15 active qbs right now I'd rather have.

 

 

 

[I AM LEGEND]

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 0:15 AM, Virginia 55 said:

Flacco has been bad ( for his contract) and as I have said multiple times, with play like his why not go Ryan Mallett?

You wouldn't be missing much in terms of a passer and he is a much cheaper option.

Wait... let me guess, now its Trestman, O-line, running-game?

STOP!

All these things were in place against a pretty banged up defense in the Redskins, and still the only constant to the mediocre offense is Flacco.

I know you guys love Flacco. I even like him, but at his current figure he is expendable. I would rather lose now with Mallett then to see someone else on our team blamed for his inflated contract.  

Flacco and Harbaugh can kick rocks.

yep

 

 

 

[jboy19]

Do people not watch the games anymore?

[I AM LEGEND]

2 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Do people not watch the games anymore?

i watch every week.

 

 

Unfortunately.

 

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by I AM LEGEND

[VermontRaven]

I went through all the teams and came up with 8 guys based on performance that I would rather have then Flacco.  They are (in no particular order):

Brady

Rodgers

Brees

Roethlisburger

Luck

Carr

Wilson

Newton.

---However I could never support a team with Roeth or Brady on it due to personalities, etc.

 

Other QBs that I think are on par with Flacco based on performance

Ryan

Palmer

Manning

Rivers

That puts Flacco between #10-13 in the league.--These days, you are going to pay mega bucks for a QB in the top 20, so I do not think the Ravens overpaid for Flacco (based on market value for good-respectable QBs)

 

   Other QBs in the league that I feel Flacco is better than (in no particular order):

Wentz--Too early to know what the Eagles have there

Cousins

Prescott/Romo

Bradford

Stafford

Cutler/Hoyer

Keenum

Gabbert/Kaepernick

Winston

Brees

Tyrod Taylor

Fitzpatrick

Tannehill

Siemian

Alex Smith

Osweiler

Bortles

Mariota

Whoever the Browns line up any given week at QB

Dalton

 

 

[jboy19]

2 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

I went through all the teams and came up with 8 guys based on performance that I would rather have then Flacco.  They are (in no particular order):

Brady

Rodgers

Brees

Roethlisburger

Luck

Carr

Wilson

Newton.

---However I could never support a team with Roeth or Brady on it due to personalities, etc.

 

Other QBs that I think are on par with Flacco based on performance

Ryan

Palmer

Manning

Rivers

That puts Flacco between #10-13 in the league.--These days, you are going to pay mega bucks for a QB in the top 20, so I do not think the Ravens overpaid for Flacco (based on market value for good-respectable QBs)

 

   Other QBs in the league that I feel Flacco is better than (in no particular order):

Wentz--Too early to know what the Eagles have there

Cousins

Prescott/Romo

Bradford

Stafford

Cutler/Hoyer

Keenum

Gabbert/Kaepernick

Winston

Brees

Tyrod Taylor

Fitzpatrick

Tannehill

Siemian

Alex Smith

Osweiler

Bortles

Mariota

Whoever the Browns line up any given week at QB

Dalton

 

 

You're a lot higher on Carr than me, way too inconsistent. Anyone who thinks Flacco is inconsistent but holds up Carr hasn't really followed the Raiders very much. Carr regularly has awful games which is amazing considering he has Cooper and Crabtree and one of the best OL in the league. 

[jboy19]

11 minutes ago, I AM LEGEND said:

i watch every week.

 

 

Unfortunately.

 

 

Obviously not if you're trying to tell me you'd rather have 15 other QBs. You're obviously nothing more than a stat page scout if you're trying to seriously tell me that. 

[flynismo]

30 minutes ago, I AM LEGEND said:

I can honestly name 15 active qbs right now I'd rather have.

I'm sure you could, that's no surprise. You show me 15 QBs you'd rather have playing here in this system with this supporting cast and coaching....and I'll show you 15 wrong answers.

[flynismo]

14 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

I went through all the teams and came up with 8 guys based on performance that I would rather have then Flacco.  They are (in no particular order):

Brady

Rodgers

Brees

Roethlisburger

Luck

Carr

Wilson

Newton.

---However I could never support a team with Roeth or Brady on it due to personalities, etc.

 

Other QBs that I think are on par with Flacco based on performance

Ryan

Palmer

Manning

Rivers

That puts Flacco between #10-13 in the league.--These days, you are going to pay mega bucks for a QB in the top 20, so I do not think the Ravens overpaid for Flacco (based on market value for good-respectable QBs)

 

   Other QBs in the league that I feel Flacco is better than (in no particular order):

Wentz--Too early to know what the Eagles have there

Cousins

Prescott/Romo

Bradford

Stafford

Cutler/Hoyer

Keenum

Gabbert/Kaepernick

Winston

Brees

Tyrod Taylor

Fitzpatrick

Tannehill

Siemian

Alex Smith

Osweiler

Bortles

Mariota

Whoever the Browns line up any given week at QB

Dalton

 

 

What is your definition of performance? Stats? If so, your list is flawed from the outset.

[I AM LEGEND]

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I'm sure you could, that's no surprise. You show me 15 QBs you'd rather have playing here in this system with this supporting cast and coaching....and I'll show you 15 wrong answers.

 

Lol the good ole supporting cast and coaching argument.......

 

That we've seen for almost a decade on this board...... Man its played out already.

Wanna know the two variables that haven't changed in all the years of these excuses. 

 

Joe Flacco and John Harbaugh.

[flynismo]

6 minutes ago, I AM LEGEND said:

 

Lol the good ole supporting cast and coaching argument.......

 

That we've seen for almost a decade on this board...... Man its played out already.

Wanna know the two variables that haven't changed in all the years of these excuses. 

 

Joe Flacco and John Harbaugh.

Do you want to know the one variable that has never changed? The one common denominator between all of you "Flacco sucks" people? Not a single one of you are capable of reading and understanding what you have read. THAT is what's played out.

Let's try this again. Read slowly this time, since you appear to have trouble comprehending a very clear statement.

Show me 15 QBs you'd rather have playing here in this system with this supporting cast and coaching

Do you see any"excuses" in there? Or are you putting words in my mouth?

[VermontRaven]

42 minutes ago, flynismo said:

What is your definition of performance? Stats? If so, your list is flawed from the outset.

Honestly I just used my observations.  Some of them it is hard to get a read on based on what weapons they have--particularly Carr and Ryan.  I am curious as to who on my list you disagree with. 

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, VermontRaven said:

Honestly I just used my observations.  Some of them it is hard to get a read on based on what weapons they have--particularly Carr and Ryan.  I am curious as to who on my list you disagree with. 

Not saying I agree or disagree; just glad that you're not of those people who thinks that stats means anything

[ravensnick]

1. Brady

2. Rodgers

3. Big Ben

4. Cam Newton

5. Andy Luck

Joe is about equal to Phillip Rivers and Russell Wilson.  Brees and Palmer are just too old.

Nothing against Joe. Those 3/5 guys are HOFers and the other two have the potential to get there as well. I think Joe is a lot better than he has shown due to lack of good WR and OL, but he's not quite on that elite level, just barely below it.

Edited October 11, 2016 by ravensnick

[berad]

2 hours ago, I AM LEGEND said:

 

Lol the good ole supporting cast and coaching argument.......

 

That we've seen for almost a decade on this board...... Man its played out already.

Wanna know the two variables that haven't changed in all the years of these excuses. 

 

Joe Flacco and John Harbaugh.

The explanations generally stay the same - the goal posts just keep getting moved...

- Can't beat the Steelers

- Can't beat Roethlisberger

- Isn't a leader

- Can't win the big one

- QBs aren't responsible for wins

- Doesn't have fantasy stats

Have you been dissatisfied with the teams' performance over the past "almost a decade"? What are people supposed to be "excusing"?

[flynismo]

24 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

1. Brady

2. Rodgers

3. Big Ben

4. Cam Newton

5. Andy Luck

Joe is about equal to Phillip Rivers and Russell Wilson.  Brees and Palmer are just too old.

Nothing against Joe. Those 3/5 guys are HOFers and the other two have the potential to get there as well. I think Joe is a lot better than he has shown due to lack of good WR and OL, but he's not quite on that elite level, just barely below it.

Putting Luck over Flacco, Rivers or Wilson makes zero sense (and not to mention Brees). I mean, absolutely none whatsoever.

Only reason I don't say the same for Newton is that he finally had a great year last year and snagged an MVP for it, but he's already gone back to his old self, indicating last year was not a breakout year, but a fluke....just like Luck's 2014 season. The other three, I'm cool with.

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by flynismo

[flynismo]

20 minutes ago, berad said:

The explanations generally stay the same - the goal posts just keep getting moved...

- Can't beat the Steelers

- Can't beat Roethlisberger

- Isn't a leader

- Can't win the big one

- QBs aren't responsible for wins

- Doesn't have fantasy stats

Have you been dissatisfied with the teams' performance over the past "almost a decade"? What are people supposed to be "excusing"?

And that is far from an exhaustive list, as I'm sure you're already all too well aware of. They hate the explanations, because they cannot refute them. Instead, they dismiss them as explanations and label them as excuses instead.

I really cannot wait to hear what he is so dissatisfied with over the past decade. I already know what the response is, because they are nothing if not predictable.

[I AM LEGEND]

7 minutes ago, flynismo said:

 

I really cannot wait to hear what he is so dissatisfied with over the past decade. 

How about our offense looking like a pee wee football team and the one guy who has control of that offense on the field seems to get his back rubbed by you homers on this board for 10 years. He's a big boy he won't read this and jump off a bridge. Outside of a 3 game playoff strecth...He's been wildly AVERAGE for ALL of his career. 

He's the only person on the offensive side of the field outside of yanda that has been around through this decade of offensive torture.

This board has killed every other part of the offense for 10 years EXCEPT flacco.

 "But but our Wide receivers don't get separation" 

" but but our line is horrible"

" but but its our zone blocking scheme" 

" waa waa fire our offensive coordinators...they gotta be the reason flacco is throwing it 2 yds out when we need 10"

Lol I really think half of you guys are related or in-laws of flacco in some way

[flynismo]

15 minutes ago, I AM LEGEND said:

How about our offense looking like a pee wee football team and the one guy who has control of that offense on the field seems to get his back rubbed by you homers on this board for 10 years. He's a big boy he won't read this and jump off a bridge. Outside of a 3 game playoff strecth...He's been wildly AVERAGE for ALL of his career. 

He's the only person on the offensive side of the field outside of yanda that has been around through this decade of offensive torture.

This board has killed every other part of the offense for 10 years EXCEPT flacco.

 "But but our Wide receivers don't get separation" 

" but but our line is horrible"

" but but its our zone blocking scheme" 

" waa waa fire our offensive coordinators...they gotta be the reason flacco is throwing it 2 yds out when we need 10"

Lol I really think half of you guys are related or in-laws of flacco in some way

I don't want to make a counter-argument to your post...because nothing I could possibly say sums it up better than the above. This is what passes for logic among the anti-Flacco crowd..

Just for giggles, though...did we not fire two OCs? Do our WRs not consistently underperform? Has our OL not struggled the vast majority of his time here? What exactly is false about any of those statements?

If the answer to those questions are "NO", then that means it isn't just the fans, but the FO is actively conspiring to protect Flacco's reputation, since they fired those OCs, and are constantly bringing in new OL and WRs. But then again...I'm sure you probably think that is the case already. Everybody just wants to protect the golden boy at all costs.

I'll give you credit though. At least you're not like all the other anti-Flacksters, and claim that winning is a team accomplishment, and then turn around and claim Flacco's the reason we lose games. Or are you?

Edited October 11, 2016 by flynismo

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, I AM LEGEND said:

 

Lol the good ole supporting cast and coaching argument.......

 

That we've seen for almost a decade on this board...... Man its played out already.

Wanna know the two variables that haven't changed in all the years of these excuses. 

 

Joe Flacco and John Harbaugh.

And that would be a good thing. Teams with winning track records like us obviously wouldn't want to change HC or QB. 

Doesn't benefit anybody to do that.

 

[I AM LEGEND]

And the funny thing is I like Joe flacco..he's a good guy from what I can tell and he helped lead this team to a Superbowl that I will always hold dear to my heart.

 

But he's just not that good guys. Sorry. From a statistical view and just from his mechanics on the field.

1. He holds the ball too long( despite having a sub par line and coming off an injury)

2. This year and in years past he is extremely inaccurate.

3. Instead of throwing the ball away he'll throw it 3 yds behind the line of scrimmage to RB that wasn't ready.

4.his motions and mechanics after the snap are so so so slow.

5. He's never really used his ability to audible to help get us out of those questionable calls by questionable coordinators 

6. He has a rocket arm but constantly overthrows/under throws on deep balls.

7. He suffers from boneheaditis, where randomly he'll make one of the worst reads or plays of the game.

 

Its these things I've listed that lead to him statistically never having great numbers...

Its these things I've listed that have gotten 2 OCs fired and another one that was about to

Its these things that have our offense looking like the bad news bears.

 

 

[flynismo]

5 minutes ago, I AM LEGEND said:

And the funny thing is I like Joe flacco..he's a good guy from what I can tell and he helped lead this team to a Superbowl that I will always hold dear to my heart.

 

But he's just not that good guys. Sorry. From a statistical view and just from his mechanics on the field.

1. He holds the ball too long( despite having a sub par line and coming off an injury)

2. This year and in years past he is extremely inaccurate.

3. Instead of throwing the ball away he'll throw it 3 yds behind the line of scrimmage to RB that wasn't ready.

4.his motions and mechanics after the snap are so so so slow.

5. He's never really used his ability to audible to help get us out of those questionable calls by questionable coordinators 

6. He has a rocket arm but constantly overthrows/under throws on deep balls.

7. He suffers from boneheaditis, where randomly he'll make one of the worst reads or plays of the game.

 

Its these things I've listed that lead to him statistically never having great numbers...

Its these things I've listed that have gotten 2 OCs fired and another one that was about to

Its these things that have our offense looking like the bad news bears.

 

 

I believe that. I'm glad you at least give him that much, and I'm proud that he was able to give you and the rest of us memories we will always cherish.

But your list?

#1 - 5 are all blatantly false, or in the case of #3, completely out of context, and all of that can be proven beyond reproach. I cannot argue against 6 and 7 though, although I would not say he "constantly" over/under throws those passes.

Edited October 11, 2016 by flynismo