Merged: QBs you'd rather have than Flacco

[Edgar]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

$9M difference is no joke. It'd depend on who I can get with that money, I'd certainly consider it.

So you'd have Dalton over Joe if it came with another piece?

[flynismo]

Just now, Edgar said:

So you'd have Dalton over Joe if it came with another piece?

Nah I had a change of heart; I was thinking of all the guys who make $9M a year and got excited...then I realized it wouldn't matter since Dalton's now our QB

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, flynismo said:

Nah I had a change of heart; I was thinking of all the guys who make $9M a year and got excited...then I realized it wouldn't matter since Dalton's now our QB

Can we have AJ Green and Eifert too?

[allblackraven]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Can we have AJ Green and Eifert too?

Even Pitta is healthier than Eifert.

[Edgar]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Nah I had a change of heart; I was thinking of all the guys who make $9M a year and got excited...then I realized it wouldn't matter since Dalton's now our QB

At least it was given due consideration.

[Edgar]

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Can we have AJ Green and Eifert too?

We may have a shot at something comparable if things don't turn.

[PurpleCity5]

44 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

What quarterbacks would I rather have...?

Honorable mentions to....

1. Palmer
2. Bridgewater
3. Romo
4. RG Knee
5. Cutler

Did I miss anyone?

 

Yep! 

Cody Kessler 

Tyroil Smoochie-Wallace 

Christian Ponder 

D'squarius Green Jr. 

Jackmarius Tacktheritrix

Trent Richardson

Beezer Twelve Washingbeard 

Johnny Manziel 

Scoish Velociraptor Maloish

Oh yeah those guys! They would soooo be better! 

 

Edited October 10, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[Purple Punishment]

Carson Wentz

Aaron Rodgers

Russell Wilson

Rivers

Brady

[sflegend89]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

I have officially heard it all now. Seriously dude, this is scraping the bottom of the barrel here...even the Flacco trolls wouldn't go that far.

Look it's the NFL, everybody wants to win, everybody is a competitor or they wouldn't be there. Flacco is absolutely a competitor, I'm just saying in the context of the NFL he's not as fiery or as cutthroat as guys like Brady, Ben, Brees, Wilson that are OBSESSIVE winners.

[flynismo]

Just now, sflegend89 said:

Look it's the NFL, everybody wants to win, everybody is a competitor or they wouldn't be there. Flacco is absolutely a competitor, I'm just saying in the context of the NFL he's not as fiery or as cutthroat as guys like Brady, Ben, Brees, Wilson that are OBSESSIVE winners.

Not as fiery or cutthroat?

Have you read what Wallace (among many others, I'm only mentioning Wallace because this was a couple weeks ago) said about how Flacco inspires this team to play their asses off? Rhetorical question...obviously you didn't see that or you wouldn't think that just because Flacco isn't a loud mouth that the players don't follow his lead.

I don't even know what you mean by cutthroat...if you're saying he isn't willing to do whatever it takes, that's obviously dead wrong, but I can't imagine that is what you mean, so not sure where you're going with that

[Virginia 55]

Flacco has been bad ( for his contract) and as I have said multiple times, with play like his why not go Ryan Mallett?

You wouldn't be missing much in terms of a passer and he is a much cheaper option.

Wait... let me guess, now its Trestman, O-line, running-game?

STOP!

All these things were in place against a pretty banged up defense in the Redskins, and still the only constant to the mediocre offense is Flacco.

I know you guys love Flacco. I even like him, but at his current figure he is expendable. I would rather lose now with Mallett then to see someone else on our team blamed for his inflated contract.  

Flacco and Harbaugh can kick rocks.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Virginia 55

[Virginia 55]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

What quarterbacks would I rather have...?

1. Big Ben
2. Dalton
3. McCown
4. Hoyer
5. Stafford
6. Rodgers
7. Bradford
8. Wentz
9. Manning
10. Cousins
11. Prescott
12. Taylor
13. Brady
14. Tannehill
15. Fitzmagic
16. Bortles
17. Luck
18. Mariota
19. Osweiler
20. Smith
21. Lynch
22. Rivers
23. Carr
24. Wilson
25. Stanton
26. Keenum
27. Gabbert
28. Ryan
29. Newton
30. Brees
31. Winston

Honorable mentions to....

1. Palmer
2. Bridgewater
3. Romo
4. RG Knee
5. Cutler

Did I miss anyone?

 

Wow!!! This is meant to be sarcasm but there is only 10 qb's on that list that I wouldn't take over Joe. 

5 that we would be in the same boat with. 

If you removed the injured players, seeing this list lets us know just how bad our 120 million dollar guy really is.

 

[kpfeiffe]

12 hours ago, flynismo said:

You'd take a guy with 3 NFL games under his belt over a proven stud; a QB who anyone with half a brain ranks in the top 10 on his worst days, and many put in the top 5? That's ridiculous.

Yes sir. Carson Went has it - he is going to be great. Joe Flacco is not a stud - LOL. No disrespect to you. I am still chuckling over that. He's what 26-27 as a starter since the SB? I know it isn't all his fault. But man, he is an average QB. That's all he ever has been and all he ever will be. He's a likable guy, but to call him a stud? LOL. 

[Wildabeast88]

13 hours ago, Sami84 said:

 

Flacco is workable but not with this contract. his contract is a killer..

he cant run out the pocket and extend plays..you need that in the NFL these days.. hes a statue QB..makes us even easier to deal with

Manning now retired Brady both statues I think they had decent careers. I am not going to put everything on Joe. With our horrible play calling our 3 yard screens to TEs and RBs on 3rd and 15 

[Wildabeast88]

16 minutes ago, kpfeiffe said:

Yes sir. Carson Went has it - he is going to be great. Joe Flacco is not a stud - LOL. No disrespect to you. I am still chuckling over that. He's what 26-27 as a starter since the SB? I know it isn't all his fault. But man, he is an average QB. That's all he ever has been and all he ever will be. He's a likable guy, but to call him a stud? LOL. 

I am not holding last year against Joe after the injuries including when he went down, we had a JV squad out there. Our coach has been less than average since the Super Bowl constantly leaving points on the board going for it constantly on 4&1 and the ridiculous fake FG and horrible play calling West averaging almost 9 yards a carry and we run 6 times in the final 3 quarters. That is why the O-line is struggling because the D doesn't expect the run so they rush like crazy where Joe has no time and gets hit. Also Trestman is just throwing nothing but short passes 210 yards on 46 attempts so the D can play tight we have speed take the top off the D 

[flynismo]

34 minutes ago, kpfeiffe said:

Yes sir. Carson Went has it - he is going to be great. Joe Flacco is not a stud - LOL. No disrespect to you. I am still chuckling over that. He's what 26-27 as a starter since the SB? I know it isn't all his fault. But man, he is an average QB. That's all he ever has been and all he ever will be. He's a likable guy, but to call him a stud? LOL. 

It's cool, we have different opinions over Flacco. I'd actually like to address that, because you seem to have a brain in your head, unlike the typical anti-Flacco guy. I can get through to people like you, and even if you don't reconsider, we'd have some fun debating and maybe even learn something new.

But the brain dead brethren around here has me worn out regarding that topic. And they'll just jump in and destroy any semblance of a reasonable conversation anyway.

So instead, I'll just say this. Many QBs were supposed to be the next great thing. Remember how Andrew Luck was supposed to be the next Joe Montana-Manning? Remember a few years ago when Colin Kaepernick was supposed to be Randall Cunningham reincarnate? Remember back in 2010 when Josh Freeman was the next great QB? Remember in 2008 when Matt Ryan was enshrined into Canton before he was even drafted?

At least those guys had a full season of success. Luck is obviously very good, but not anything near "great". Same with Ryan. The others have been..well, you know. It's all about winning in this league, especially when you're a QB. It isn't 2001 anymore where you can get by with a mediocre QB.

Wentz has four NFL games under his belt. He has not yet proven that he is a long term solution, much less anything to write home about. All he has done so far is show that the potential is there -- just like a lot of guys before him have done before falling into obscurity. Regardless of what you think of Flacco, Flacco has proven himself to be a guy that can take his team all the way, something that nobody can ever take from him, because it is right there for the world to see. Wentz, as I said, has not yet even proven he is a long term solution, much less a guy that can do what Flacco has done.

[RedFire]

13 hours ago, kpfeiffe said:

I'll tell you what - the Eagles have a gamer in Carson Wentz. That kids is already making changes at the line of scrimmage. So, he's one. Carr is another. Brady of course, Rodgers, Russell Wilson.

Flack is OK. He's always been just OK. The deal is he is making $22 million this year and we can get the level of play he provides for less money/ That's all. This isn't personal, he simply now commands pay that is beyond what he produces on the field. 

 

Brady is 40...no future with him. you would get rid of Flacco for one good season from Brady? 

[RedFire]

13 hours ago, PoeDinkum said:

Rodgers

Brady

Roths

Brees

Rivers

Luck (though you COULD talk me into Flacco, I mean, I do like the guy, but he ain't elite, alrite?!?!)

 

 

why are you listing older guys that have limited shelf-life and more wear on the body? Luck is not a better decision maker than Flacco. 

 

But Rodgers is a good one....I didn't know he was only 32 cause I remember him backing up Favre for so long I thought he was 35years old. 

[RedFire]

8 hours ago, Purple Punishment said:

Carson Wentz

Aaron Rodgers

Russell Wilson

Rivers

Brady

 

Rivers and Brady are too old for a future. mid 30's plus. we know we can win a superbowl with Flacco today and for the next 6years in a decent situation. Flacco has won the most road playoff games in NFL history. 

[RedFire]

14 hours ago, RedFire said:

1. Cam Newton

2. Maybe Russell Wilson 

3. Maybe Derek Carr

 

Everyone else that may be better than Flacco is mid 30's plus! Think about it......

 

Didn't realize Rodgers was only 32! thought he was 35 since I remember him behind Brett Favre for a long time. That makes 4 people that have enough proven skill and young enough to have a future with  6years from now...and of course good enough to ball out today!

 

My point is being young enough for future play at a high level, but has enough ability and battle tested to get it done today as well. Once you factor in age Flacco is a top 5 QB. 

Edited October 10, 2016 by RedFire

[Tank 92]

14 minutes ago, flynismo said:

 

So instead, I'll just say this. Many QBs were supposed to be the next great thing. Remember how Andrew Luck was supposed to be the next Joe Montana-Manning? Remember a few years ago when Colin Kaepernick was supposed to be Randall Cunningham reincarnate? Remember back in 2010 when Josh Freeman was the next great QB? Remember in 2008 when Matt Ryan was enshrined into Canton before he was even drafted?

 

You left out Bob 3.   :-)

[Doc]

1. Trent Dilfer

2. Tyrod Taylor

3.Jim Harbaugh

4.  Brynn Renner

5. Alex Smith

[rmcjacket23]

8 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Flacco has been bad ( for his contract) and as I have said multiple times, with play like his why not go Ryan Mallett?

You wouldn't be missing much in terms of a passer and he is a much cheaper option.

Wait... let me guess, now its Trestman, O-line, running-game?

STOP!

All these things were in place against a pretty banged up defense in the Redskins, and still the only constant to the mediocre offense is Flacco.

I know you guys love Flacco. I even like him, but at his current figure he is expendable. I would rather lose now with Mallett then to see someone else on our team blamed for his inflated contract.  

Flacco and Harbaugh can kick rocks.

Naturally, I assume you're completely unaware of the parameters of Joe's contract. Specifically, how much it would cost the franchise to actually move on.

But I guess when you live in fantasy land, minor details like crushing a teams salary cap for the foreseeable future by cutting him are irrelevant.

Keep selling whatever agenda you're trying to sell. Maybe one day somebody will actually buy it.

[Sami84]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Naturally, I assume you're completely unaware of the parameters of Joe's contract. Specifically, how much it would cost the franchise to actually move on.

But I guess when you live in fantasy land, minor details like crushing a teams salary cap for the foreseeable future by cutting him are irrelevant.

Keep selling whatever agenda you're trying to sell. Maybe one day somebody will actually buy it.

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26-27 since the superbowl..

 

yeah like i said we are stuck with Flacco. his contract is suffocating and the dead money issue is horrendus. Barring a ridiculous offer in the draft next year for his services there is no way we'd eat that dead money. We should NOT have signed him to an extension. I said best we eat this years cap and next years and then trade or release him. thanks to our slightly clueless FO we will now be a non playoff team for years to come.

 

 

[rmcjacket23]

10 hours ago, GhostofGrbac said:

1. Plenty of people care about statistics. They obviously don't tell the whole story, but to act like they mean absolutely nothing is just wrong. 

2. Stafford's 23 turnovers in 2013 is one less than Flacco that year. Flacco made $30M that season ($1M base salary, $29M signing bonus). We can go back and compare stats all we want. At this point right now I feel like Stafford is the better QB. 

I'm not ignoring the Lions record during Stafford's tenure. I know it's not as good as Flacco's here, but you also need to look at it in context. The Ravens organization is much better than the Lions organization. The Lions had so many high draft picks that have failed/are no longer on the team. With a competent front office the Lions would have been much better IMO. 

3. I was referring to this season when I said he has no weapons. Golden Tate has a whopping 17 catches for 134 yards. Even last season he wasn't anything special (90 catches 813 yards, 6 td's). It's a nice piece, but I wouldn't say he's been a legit stud weapon recently. I will agree though that what he did in 2014 was impressive.

4. I'll give you Torrey even though he was just an average WR here. Side note: it's a shame he chose to chase the money. Completely understandable, but his career has fallen off a cliff. 

5. Obviously 1 player isn't going to technically carry a team, but 1 player can have a huge part in how well a team does. Like Brees when the Saints were good. They were good because Brees lead that offense. 

We're clearly not going to agree, but I appreciate the civil discussion.

1. Fans care about the type of statistics you reference. Fortunately, fans don't make personnel decisions or have much impact on the football field.

2. Ahh so NOW you want to add context to the mix. Now you want to move the target and play the incredibly subjective argument of "well his FO isn't as good" as an excuse for why the production isn't there.

Convenient, given that its now your 3rd completely different attempt to justify Stafford as better. First it was statistical production based on fan-relevant-only stats, then it was contract and lack of weapons, which didn't hold up either, and now its the organizations fault.

I mean if I were selling the argument you're trying to sell, I would think the QB should be propping up the franchise, not the other way around. 

3. The Brees argument backfired on you. Brees is just as big of a part of that offense as he was when they won the SB... I'd argue even more so now. And yet, their team sucks. Why? Lack of players around him. 

If you want to know why Brees won a SB, look at the defense. Its the gigantic difference.

[Sami84]

the only hope this team has is if flacco and his greedy a$$ agent joe linta agree to a paycut. No chance there as flacco is on a mission to churn out babies every single year it seems

[flynismo]

32 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

You left out Bob 3.   :-)

Intentionally! I like Bob the Third, I don't want to drag his name through the mud lol

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

the only hope this team has is if flacco and his greedy a$$ agent joe linta agree to a paycut. No chance there as flacco is on a mission to churn out babies every single year it seems

But I thought the narrative is that the FO has done such a poor job with drafting and signing FAs. So why would you want to give them more money to do so now?

 

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But I thought the narrative is that the FO has done such a poor job with drafting and signing FAs. So why would you want to give them more money to do so now?

 

If they sign enough players, eventually these idiots have to get lucky and sign someone decent.

[BmoreBird22]

9 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Wow!!! This is meant to be sarcasm but there is only 10 qb's on that list that I wouldn't take over Joe. 

5 that we would be in the same boat with. 

If you removed the injured players, seeing this list lets us know just how bad our 120 million dollar guy really is.

 

There isn't a single poster I'd take above you. Zero. And you do it for free. You're the real MVP