Merged: QBs you'd rather have than Flacco

K-Dog · October 22, 2016

I don't know why you keep arguing Tru.

Do you actually think someone is going to suddenly say "Oh yeah you are right. " and then burn their jersey?

Tru11 · October 22, 2016

1 minute ago, K-Dog said:

I don't know why you keep arguing Tru.

Do you actually think someone is going to suddenly say "Oh yeah you are right. " and then burn their jersey?

you are right.

they will never admit they are biased to the fullest.

ill stop.

dtfrink2011 · October 22, 2016

Tyrod Taylor!!!

ellicottraven · October 22, 2016

12 hours ago, flynismo said:

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. Yes

And note the key word you used there, in bold -- I believe Flacco has played very, very well overall throughout his career. What does the word 'believe' imply? An opinion. no? So it wasn't "very clever" of me, it was pointing out the obvious, which obviously escaped you. Making a long rant about how crappy you believe he is does not make it "truth". See how that works? You're welcome.

And btw, I had to break this one out on one of your fellow Flacco trolls earlier this week, let's see what YOU think...does this look like an underachiever to you? How's this for surpassing expectations and playing brilliantly (your words):

NFL records

First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games

Most wins by a quarterback in first six seasons: 62 (regular season only)

Most wins by a quarterback in first seven seasons: 72 (regular season only)

Second-most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)

Only quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons^[54]

Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)^[39]

Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)^[40]

First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason^[4]

Most consecutive playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 8

Most consecutive playoff games with at least three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)

Most consecutive road playoff games with at least one passing touchdown: 7 (tied with Donovan McNabb and Brett Favre)

Most consecutive road playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 5

Fastest quarterback to record five touchdowns in a game: 16:03

Most road playoff wins for a quarterback: 7 (tied with Eli Manning)

Ravens franchise records

Most career passing yards – 25,531

Most career pass completions – 2,213

Most career passing touchdowns – 148

Most regular-season wins – 72

Most postseason wins – 10

Most consecutive pass completions: 21 vs. Jacksonville Jaguars on September 25, 2016 ^[58]

Most passing yards in a playoff game (331 in 2013 vs Denver Broncos)^[57]

Most 300+ passing-yard games in career by a starting QB – 16^[57]

Highest completion percentage in a single season – 63.1% (2009) (in 16 starts)^[57]

Highest career quarterback rating – 84.8^[57]

Highest single-season quarterback rating — 93.6 (2010)^[57]

Most times sacked in a career for a starting QB – 241^[57]

Fewest interceptions in a regular season by starting QB — 10 (2012) (16 starts)^[57]

Most career fourth-quarter comeback wins – 14^[57]

Most career game-winning drives – 21^[57]

Most game-winning drives in a single season – 4 (2010) (tied with Elvis Grbac)^[57]

Now that I think about it, I take it back...that was very clever, thanks for noticing!

You went to all that effort to convince me of something I already know? Nobody, least of all I needs to be convinced of Flacco's achievements with the Ravens. I don't dispute that he is a very good QB. All I'm saying is he isn't playing like a QB with all those accolades this year period. If you still insist on being an uninhibited homer about it, be my guest. I wish to live on the planet of reality instead. Its time we all posted what we thought instead of being policed by Flacco enthusiasts and apologists. Remember I appreciate Flacco just as much as many out here, but have enough conviction and clarity to call him out when necessary.

ALPHA · October 22, 2016

16 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

You went to all that effort to convince me of something I already know? Nobody, least of all I needs to be convinced of Flacco's achievements with the Ravens. I don't dispute that he is a very good QB. All I'm saying is he isn't playing like a QB with all those accolades this year period. If you still insist on being an uninhibited homer about it, be my guest. I wish to live on the planet of reality instead. Its time we all posted what we thought instead of being policed by Flacco enthusiasts and apologists. Remember I appreciate Flacco just as much as many out here, but have enough conviction and clarity to call him out when necessary.

Thats fair, I'm a huge Flacco fan but when he's playing poorly i'll always call it what it is, he's never been hugely accurate or efficient but i'll take him over a new QB every 2-3 years. In a team sport eveyone is responsible we can't blame it all on the guys around him forever.

flynismo · October 22, 2016

31 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

but have enough conviction and clarity to call him out when necessary.

And you think nobody else does? Please.

If you're truly as objective as you claim, it is clear as day why he has not been the same guy as he always has been this year. End of story.

Edited October 22, 2016 by flynismo

flynismo · October 22, 2016

13 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Thats fair, I'm a huge Flacco fan but when he's playing poorly i'll always call it what it is, he's never been hugely accurate or efficient but i'll take him over a new QB every 2-3 years. In a team sport eveyone is responsible we can't blame it all on the guys around him forever.

What's fair? That I won't harp on a QB that has been hit and pressured more than any other in the league, and then if that's not bad enough, his WRs dropped the second most passes of any team? Even his OC got fired because he can't do his job! Don't let these people brainwash you into thinking that "it's only fair to blame Flacco since we're blaming everyone else." Put the blame where it belongs.

Edited October 22, 2016 by flynismo

Rav'n Maniac · October 22, 2016

Maybe it's me but, I can't ever remember the boards being this bad when we are sitting 1 game out of 1st in the division. Again, we're 1 game out of 1st and it's constantly get rid of Flacco, fire Harbs and his staff and fire the front office. It's sad seeing it come from people that call themselves fans.

How can we really expect more when we have already matched last years total of 15 on IR with an additional 12 starters listed on the injury report as of today. It just literally blows my mind.

LosT_in_TranSlatioN · October 22, 2016

I can't believe I just read through this thread

ellicottraven · October 23, 2016

6 hours ago, flynismo said:

What's fair? That I won't harp on a QB that has been hit and pressured more than any other in the league, and then if that's not bad enough, his WRs dropped the second most passes of any team? Even his OC got fired because he can't do his job! Don't let these people brainwash you into thinking that "it's only fair to blame Flacco since we're blaming everyone else." Put the blame where it belongs.

So anybody that doesn't agree with your point of view is somehow being brainwashed into an opposing view? Get over yourself man! That is megalomaniacal bluster and has no place in a discussion forum.

flynismo · October 23, 2016

13 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

So anybody that doesn't agree with your point of view is somehow being brainwashed into an opposing view? Get over yourself man! That is megalomaniacal bluster and has no place in a discussion forum.

When the problems with the offense is this clear cut, to turn around and blame the QB is beyond absurd. Joe spoke out in back to back weeks about the OC, and the guy got canned. You saw the stats indicating no QB in the league is under pressure more. The WRs ranking second in drops in the league. Tell me, what is left to go wrong exactly? In other words, what is this team doing that is NOT sabotaging the QBs performance? I'll wait...

And if you can't name ONE thing that the players around him are doing to help the passing game, guess what? Perhaps people are trying to brainwash others into believing nonsense.

Instead of spouting off a load of fancy words in hopes of sounding like you have a point, address the points that I brought up in the first place, otherwise you're just deflecting.

Edited October 23, 2016 by flynismo

ellicottraven · October 23, 2016

27 minutes ago, flynismo said:

When the problems with the offense is this clear cut, to turn around and blame the QB is beyond absurd. Joe spoke out in back to back weeks about the OC, and the guy got canned. You saw the stats indicating no QB in the league is under pressure more. The WRs ranking second in drops in the league. Tell me, what is left to go wrong exactly? In other words, what is this team doing that is NOT sabotaging the QBs performance? I'll wait...

And if you can't name ONE thing that the players around him are doing to help the passing game, guess what? Perhaps people are trying to brainwash others into believing nonsense.

Instead of spouting off a load of fancy words in hopes of sounding like you have a point, address the points that I brought up in the first place, otherwise you're just deflecting.

smh...

K-Dog · October 23, 2016

16 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Maybe it's me but, I can't ever remember the boards being this bad when we are sitting 1 game out of 1st in the division. Again, we're 1 game out of 1st and it's constantly get rid of Flacco, fire Harbs and his staff and fire the front office. It's sad seeing it come from people that call themselves fans.

How can we really expect more when we have already matched last years total of 15 on IR with an additional 12 starters listed on the injury report as of today. It just literally blows my mind.

You are not wrong. This is by far the worst I have ever seen these boards.

poescrows · October 23, 2016

If this thread had been titled " QBs available that you'd rather have than Flacco ", there probably wouldn't have been a single post, lol. Flacco has done some great things since becoming our starting QB. Is he the best? elite? NO. He's a little better than average QB that under some circumstances can steal a win with outstanding play, and has rarely thrown a game away through his own, direct mistakes. I think this first few game funk he's in is partly due to coming back from his injury, multiple injuries to our O-line which has him getting pummeled more than any other QB in the NFL, and bonehead play call from Trestman. I think after the bye and beyond, we'll see a vast improvement from Joe and the O as a whole. So at this point, I'm still behind Joe. Hope he doesn't prove me wrong.

balfan23 · October 23, 2016

I rarely weigh in on what becomes a Flacco elite not elite conversation. No one seems to bother to understand that it all comes down to how you define elite. My definition only has about 5 or 6 QBs in this generation who qualify and Flacco isn't one of them.

IMO - an elite QB can make a bad team good and can make a good team a champion. Flacco isn't able to make a bad team good. He can make a good team great and a great team a champion. How many QBs in the league can CONSISTENTLY do that? The answer is still not many ... perhaps a dozen. I used caps because it pains me when 2 weeks ago, some people were saying that Carson Wentz is a better QB than Flacco. OMG - just stop it.

I'm not going to bother to name the few QBs who I not only think are better than Flacco, but who I'd rather have on our team. Actually getting someone better would require a massive FA move that will never happen .. or it would involve getting into the crap shoot that the lower 1/3 to 1/2 of the leagues teams are engaged in. For every one of those that work out (Wilson in Seattle) there are 10 failures. Some of those teams repeat those failures over and over - which leads to a decade or more of suck.

We'll get into that crap shoot when Flacco is done and we have no choice. Until then, Flacco's the man, so deal with it.

balfan23 · October 23, 2016

13 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

smh...

Great comeback.

Tank 92 · October 23, 2016

5 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

I rarely weigh in on what becomes a Flacco elite not elite conversation. No one seems to bother to understand that it all comes down to how you define elite. My definition only has about 5 or 6 QBs in this generation who qualify and Flacco isn't one of them.

IMO - an elite QB can make a bad team good and can make a good team a champion. Flacco isn't able to make a bad team good. He can make a good team great and a great team a champion. How many QBs in the league can CONSISTENTLY do that? The answer is still not many ... perhaps a dozen. I used caps because it pains me when 2 weeks ago, some people were saying that Carson Wentz is a better QB than Flacco. OMG - just stop it.

I'm not going to bother to name the few QBs who I not only think are better than Flacco, but who I'd rather have on our team. Actually getting someone better would require a massive FA move that will never happen .. or it would involve getting into the crap shoot that the lower 1/3 to 1/2 of the leagues teams are engaged in. For every one of those that work out (Wilson in Seattle) there are 10 failures. Some of those teams repeat those failures over and over - which leads to a decade or more of suck.

We'll get into that crap shoot when Flacco is done and we have no choice. Until then, Flacco's the man, so deal with it.

Good post.

I don't think the "elite or not elite" debate is where issues arise with most. The problems for me are with people that just blindly say that he is sucking with no understanding(or maybe just acknowledgment) that it generally requires receivers to catch and lineman block for any QB to do well. And it's as if they think he should be making zero mistakes, like they don't realize that ALL QBs make mistakes at times. The blind criticisms from people that are supposed to be fans of the team are ridiculous. Any and all topics on these boards are in constant danger of being "flacconated". It's as if Joe kicked their dog or stole their girlfriend.

Hardbaugh · October 23, 2016

Elite??? HAhA, Flacco has migrated into hot garbage as a player. Any backup brings as much as Flacco to the table at a fraction of the cost. The problem is the Ravens hitched their wagon to this guy. Enjoy the many losing seasons to follow. 2019 can't come soon enough.

Steve0x · October 23, 2016

I rather have Mallett start next game and Draft Seth Russell.. Flacco to the Jets

Edited October 23, 2016 by Steve0x

Dfence4champs2052 · October 23, 2016

Who knew the Tyrod Taylor crowd was right.......

RedFire · October 23, 2016

5 hours ago, poescrows said:

If this thread had been titled " QBs available that you'd rather have than Flacco ", there probably wouldn't have been a single post, lol. Flacco has done some great things since becoming our starting QB. Is he the best? elite? NO. He's a little better than average QB that under some circumstances can steal a win with outstanding play, and has rarely thrown a game away through his own, direct mistakes. I think this first few game funk he's in is partly due to coming back from his injury, multiple injuries to our O-line which has him getting pummeled more than any other QB in the NFL, and bonehead play call from Trestman. I think after the bye and beyond, we'll see a vast improvement from Joe and the O as a whole. So at this point, I'm still behind Joe. Hope he doesn't prove me wrong.

it was titled " come in the this thread and name 5 Qbs you'd rather have than flacco!"

I was making a point before the mods changed the thread title cause most of the the replies high jacked me with naming a lot of people! I was factoring age, experience, and success and I could only come up with 4 Qb's if you add Aaron Rodgers to my opening post.

Virginia 55 · October 23, 2016

On 10/22/2016 at 0:16 PM, flynismo said:

After seeing what Flacco does with good players well past their prime, guys like SSS, Boldin and Mase...if he had an actual OL and Gronk and Edelman and a running game like NE's, he would pretty much annihilate the league. The only Flacco discussions going on is where he ranks among guys like Favre and Manning and Montana.

Don't forget the coach that make these players good. But hey, Flacco doesn't need much......smh....... Get Flacco off this team.

Virginia 55 · October 23, 2016

4 minutes ago, Dfence4champs2052 said:

Who knew the Tyrod Taylor crowd was right.......

Everyone who watches football. Not that hard to see from an economic standpoint and pure athleticism who is the better option.

If nothing else Tyrod would have left money on the books to upgrade the entire team.

Stuck with Joe because fans see what they want to see.

Virginia 55 · October 23, 2016

We don't need five QB's. How about one? Mallett right now.

6 picks with 5 tds shouldn't be hard to replace.

OUravensfan · October 23, 2016

Why can't we at least have pretty stats in a loss

bscott57 · October 23, 2016

Can't wait for Flynismo rationalization of that stellar performance by his boy. 5 diving right and sidearming the ball to the ground without being touched should be the Ravens 2016 team picture.

K-Dog · October 23, 2016

12 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Everyone who watches football. Not that hard to see from an economic standpoint and pure athleticism who is the better option.

If nothing else Tyrod would have left money on the books to upgrade the entire team.

Stuck with Joe because fans see what they want to see.

You bring up economics but you want to cut Joe?

playlikeawhat · October 23, 2016

Am I reading this right? All the failed blocks, drops, and other non-QB botched executions go away if we simply restructure Joe's contract? ROFL

K-Dog · October 23, 2016

2 minutes ago, playlikeawhat said:

Am I reading this right? All the failed blocks, drops, and other non-QB botched executions go away if we simply restructure Joe's contract? ROFL

Duh.

Free Agent · October 23, 2016

What quarterback would play well behind this sickening offensive line?

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