Merged: QBs you'd rather have than Flacco

[Moderator 3]

[flynismo]

3 hours ago, flynismo said:

He isn't a game changer, just a "game manager"? Managing a game is the biggest aspect of playing QB at a high level.

If you think he isn't a game changer...let me ask you --

Remember back in the Billick era when we had some of the best defenses in the history of the league? Of course you do, you wouldn't be much of a fan if not. Do you also remember missing the playoffs every other year despite those defenses, and having Jamal Lewis beasting it up? I sure do.

Now, it's no secret that our defenses have been nowhere near as good in the Harbaugh era. Yet save for 2013 and last year, we have been in the playoffs every single year. So if our defenses suck in comparison, but now we have Flacco and have never ever been as successful as we have been since he came aboard...why is that?

 

3 hours ago, flynismo said:

I do NOT mean this in an insulting way, so do not take it as such --

This is the problem with you guys who don't like Flacco. You are incapable of thinking things through. It is not exactly a secret that the more any QB throws, the more likely that team is going to lose. Note that I'm talking about once a QB exceeds 40+ attempts per game, the more they throw, the worse it is for the team's chances of winning. There's several reasons for that, and we'll get into that if need be.

Don't believe me?

Since 2008, Flacco's record in games where he threw 40+ pass attempts: 

10 - 22

Pretty horrible right? That proves your point?

 

How about Aaron Rodgers, in the same time span with 40+ pass attempts?

9-19

 

So....tell me again, if he was good, I wouldn't say that...

 

I mean I get it, you hate him, you want him gone, etc etc etc. But at least give REAL reasons, and accept it when you are proven wrong over and over again.

 

2 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

He missed some time last year with his injury and all, to be honest i didn't even notice a drop off at the position.  

Can't help but notice that you are still avoiding reality. Carry on though! This is amusing; you dodge facts like Andy Reid dodges salad bars

[ravensfan520]

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 2:52 PM, usmccharles said:

Really? Missed the playoffs since the Super bowl? Do You even fact check yourself on common team knowledge? Apparently not.  

Did we make the playoffs last year... no... so to answer the question since the superbowl we have missed the playoffs and Flacco has regressed.

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, ravensfan520 said:

Did we make the playoffs last year... no... so to answer the question since the superbowl we have missed the playoffs and Flacco has regressed.

So lady year is the only year the ravens played football after the Super Bowl? Got it, Thanks for clearing this up for. I will anticipate each of your post so I can clearly learn about things that are false.  

[Steve0x]

18 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

Sorry,,,I fed him  

[ellicottraven]

13 hours ago, flynismo said:

That's not "truth". That's an opinion, shared by the vast minority of people.

Oh really? Vast minority of people? Very clever. So I assume you belong to the infinitesimal majority that believe Flacco has surpassed all expectations and played brilliantly? 

[flynismo]

5 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Oh really? Vast minority of people? Very clever. So I assume you belong to the infinitesimal majority that believe Flacco has surpassed all expectations and played brilliantly? 

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. Yes

And note the key word you used there, in bold -- I believe Flacco has played very, very well overall throughout his career. What does the word 'believe' imply? An opinion. no? So it wasn't "very clever" of me, it was pointing out the obvious, which obviously escaped you. Making a long rant about how crappy you believe he is does not make it "truth". See how that works? You're welcome.

 

And btw, I had to break this one out on one of your fellow Flacco trolls earlier this week, let's see what YOU think...does this look like an underachiever to you? How's this for surpassing expectations and playing brilliantly (your words):

 

NFL records

• First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
• Most wins by a quarterback in first six seasons: 62 (regular season only)
• Most wins by a quarterback in first seven seasons: 72 (regular season only)
• Second-most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
• Only quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons^[54]
• Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)^[39]
• Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)^[40]
• First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason^[4]
• Most consecutive playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 8
• Most consecutive playoff games with at least three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)
• Most consecutive road playoff games with at least one passing touchdown: 7 (tied with Donovan McNabb and Brett Favre)
• Most consecutive road playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 5
• Fastest quarterback to record five touchdowns in a game: 16:03
• Most road playoff wins for a quarterback: 7 (tied with Eli Manning)

Ravens franchise records

• Most career passing yards – 25,531
• Most career pass completions – 2,213
• Most career passing touchdowns – 148
• Most regular-season wins – 72
• Most postseason wins – 10
• Most consecutive pass completions: 21 vs. Jacksonville Jaguars on September 25, 2016 ^[58]
• Most passing yards in a playoff game (331 in 2013 vs Denver Broncos)^[57]
• Most 300+ passing-yard games in career by a starting QB – 16^[57]
• Highest completion percentage in a single season – 63.1% (2009) (in 16 starts)^[57]
• Highest career quarterback rating – 84.8^[57]
• Highest single-season quarterback rating — 93.6 (2010)^[57]
• Most times sacked in a career for a starting QB – 241^[57]
• Fewest interceptions in a regular season by starting QB — 10 (2012) (16 starts)^[57]
• Most career fourth-quarter comeback wins – 14^[57]
• Most career game-winning drives – 21^[57]
• Most game-winning drives in a single season – 4 (2010) (tied with Elvis Grbac)^[57]

 

 

Now that I think about it, I take it back...that was very clever, thanks for noticing!     

Edited October 22, 2016 by flynismo

[Tru11]

very well is a pretty low standard for the highest paid player in ravens history.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

very well is a pretty low standard for the highest paid player in ravens history.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Highest paid player in Ravens history? That's kinda taking things out of context, don't you think?

I think it's fair to say that playing very well as an NFL QB qualifies you to receive the market rate contract for being a "franchise QB", especially considering you were on a team that has just won a SB. Correct? Who was the last Ravens QB that was deserving of a "franchise QB" deal? Right, there never was  another. If there had been one 10 to 20 years ago, would the market rate for that player have been less? 

Edited October 22, 2016 by Tank 92

[Tank 92]

4 hours ago, flynismo said:

 

NFL records

• First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
• Most wins by a quarterback in first six seasons: 62 (regular season only)
• Most wins by a quarterback in first seven seasons: 72 (regular season only)
• Second-most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
• Only quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons^[54]
• Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)^[39]
• Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)^[40]
• First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason^[4]
• Most consecutive playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 8
• Most consecutive playoff games with at least three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)
• Most consecutive road playoff games with at least one passing touchdown: 7 (tied with Donovan McNabb and Brett Favre)
• Most consecutive road playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 5
• Fastest quarterback to record five touchdowns in a game: 16:03
• Most road playoff wins for a quarterback: 7 (tied with Eli Manning)

Ravens franchise records

• Most career passing yards – 25,531
• Most career pass completions – 2,213
• Most career passing touchdowns – 148
• Most regular-season wins – 72
• Most postseason wins – 10
• Most consecutive pass completions: 21 vs. Jacksonville Jaguars on September 25, 2016 ^[58]
• Most passing yards in a playoff game (331 in 2013 vs Denver Broncos)^[57]
• Most 300+ passing-yard games in career by a starting QB – 16^[57]
• Highest completion percentage in a single season – 63.1% (2009) (in 16 starts)^[57]
• Highest career quarterback rating – 84.8^[57]
• Highest single-season quarterback rating — 93.6 (2010)^[57]
• Most times sacked in a career for a starting QB – 241^[57]
• Fewest interceptions in a regular season by starting QB — 10 (2012) (16 starts)^[57]
• Most career fourth-quarter comeback wins – 14^[57]
• Most career game-winning drives – 21^[57]
• Most game-winning drives in a single season – 4 (2010) (tied with Elvis Grbac)^[57]

 

 

Now that I think about it, I take it back...that was very clever, thanks for noticing!     

For me, what makes all of this most impressive is that these things have been accomplished without having top notch WRs and TEs to throw to. Sure, we had Mase, Q and Pitta for short stints, but what could be accomplished if the Ravens had a guy(s) like Moss, Green, Brown, Nelson, OBJ, Gronk, etc. for extended periods of time? 

I think the best is yet to come.

Edited October 22, 2016 by Tank 92

[K-Dog]

28 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

For me, what makes all of this most impressive is that these things have been accomplished without having top notch WRs and TEs to throw to. Sure, we had Mase, Q and Pitta for short stints, but what could be accomplished if the Ravens had a guy(s) like Moss, Green, Brown, Nelson, OBJ, Gronk, etc. for extended periods of time? 

I think the best is yet to come.

Joe threw to Heap for a year or two didn't he?

[RayRayRaven]

this season has to play out but if we don't do well I could see trading flacco to rebuild hes definitely on the downside of the hill now and we could use some high draft pics

[Tank 92]

7 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Joe threw to Heap for a year or two didn't he?

Yep. Missed Todd. Even though he was on the back side of his career he was still sure handed. Shame he didn't get to play with an experienced Joe.  Flacco and Heap long term would have been deadly. 

 

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Highest paid player in Ravens history? That's kinda taking things out of context, don't you think?

I think it's fair to say that playing very well as an NFL QB qualifies you to receive the market rate contract for being a "franchise QB", especially considering you were on a team that has just won a SB. Correct? Who was the last Ravens QB that was deserving of a "franchise QB" deal? Right, there never was  another. If there had been one 10 to 20 years ago, would the market rate for that player have been less? 

very well seems pretty low expectations for the guy that is supposed to be the face of the franchise.

you must have some pretty low expectations for everyone else as well i hope.

well if you are fair that is....

 

 

[Tank 92]

Just now, Tru11 said:

very well seems pretty low expectations for the guy that is supposed to be the face of the franchise.

you must have some pretty low expectations for everyone else

 

Nope, not really. Guess it depends on how you look at performance and what your rating curve is.

Is there anyone on the team that you think is playing better than "very well"? 

[redrum52]

9 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Oh really? Vast minority of people? Very clever. So I assume you belong to the infinitesimal majority that believe Flacco has surpassed all expectations and played brilliantly? 

He has surpassed expectations.  No one saw him accomplishing what he has when he was drafted.

[Tru11]

41 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Nope, not really. Guess it depends on how you look at performance and what your rating curve is.

Is there anyone on the team that you think is playing better than "very well"? 

i dont have the same expectations for every player.

seems pretty unfair TBH

if you wanna talk about players meeting expectations or above it then i can name a few if you want.

ps: mosley and weddle have played very well to say the least.
yanda to.

stanley played very well to great
 

Edited October 22, 2016 by Tru11

[redrum52]

9 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

i dont have the same expectations for every player.

seems pretty unfair TBH

if you wanna talk about players meeting expectations or above it then i can name a few if you want.

Why bother?

[Tru11]

18 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Why bother?

bored lol

[redrum52]

1 minute ago, Tru11 said:

bored lol

Torrey was expected to play like Julio Jones, but others aren't held to those standards.

[Tank 92]

3 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

bored lol

I was putting together an intelligent response to your other post, but I now see this is just headed to the same old crap. I'm not that bored.   "lol"

[Tru11]

5 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Torrey was expected to play like Julio Jones, but others aren't held to those standards.

true.

they expect aiken to make catches michael irvin would make and if he fails welp is all on him ofcourse ...

[Tru11]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I was putting together an intelligent response to your other post, but I now see this is just headed to the same old crap. I'm not that bored.   "lol"

sure you where.

was it as intelligent as having the same expectations for UDFA players as 9th year SB mvps?

 

Edited October 22, 2016 by Tru11

[Doc]

I have always liked Alex Smith since he was with the 49ers

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, Tru11 said:

sure you where.

 

yeah, your right I was lying.   What a joke these boards have been lately.

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, Tank 92 said:

yeah, your right I was lying.   What a joke these boards have been lately.

nobody is forcing you to be here.

[Tank 92]

17 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

sure you where.

was it as intelligent as having the same expectations for UDFA players as 9th year SB mvps?

 

ahhh, cute. .....  What's the point of of making a comment like that? as an edit? Did anyone say that? Good job troll. 

Troll11.   hahahaha!

 

 

Edited October 22, 2016 by Tank 92

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, Tru11 said:

nobody is forcing you to be here.

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, Tank 92 said:

ahhh, cute. .....  What's the point of of making a comment like that? as an edit? Did anyone say that? Good job troll. 

 

 

you just asked me who played better then the same standard that was set for flacco....

 

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, Tank 92 said: