Merged: QBs you'd rather have than Flacco

[rmcjacket23]

18 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm not taking anything you say as an insult.  I seriously think you have been confused since we drafted him. 

 

There are qb's in this league that you can put the ball in their hands and they can deliver you the game.

Then there is Flacco..... That given the opportunity to win a game on his arm, fails miserably.

See last game for an example. 

 

QB's I would rather have over him? 

Literally, anybody with a team friendly contract that can check the ball down. 

 

We can win and lose without the big contract.  He is not a game changer. He is officially a game manager. 

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Feel free to name said players. 

Hint: it's going to be quite difficult.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I meant that he isn't even good at managing a game. Hence the 3-3 record in all tight games. 

5tds and 4 picks.  Not really good at managing either. We don't need Flacco at QB with these mediocre numbers bro.

He is hurting the team as much as he is helping. 

I do like the fact that I already played out your proposal of ditching him and what would happen if we did...

My guess is you haven't really thought this through...

[AsianRice]

15 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm not taking anything you say as an insult.  I seriously think you have been confused since we drafted him. 

 

There are qb's in this league that you can put the ball in their hands and they can deliver you the game.

Then there is Flacco..... That given the opportunity to win a game on his arm, fails miserably.

See last game for an example. 

 

QB's I would rather have over him? 

Literally, anybody with a team friendly contract that can check the ball down. 

 

We can win and lose without the big contract.  He is not a game changer. He is officially a game manager. 

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lol....just wow...u sure you watch any football? U like Andy Dalton? or Gilbert?Cousin? or at least name one?

That's really ignorant statement....

Stop Trolling....

[Virginia 55]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

He conveniently ignores the fact that the defense blew the lead Flacco gave them at the end of the game. Guess he wants Flacco to win the game twice for it to mean anything....which ironically, Flacco has done several times (put us in the lead with under five mins, defense blows said lead, then Flacco comes back again and still wins)

See right here, you're doing it again.  Making him sound like he is responsible for winning us games, when the guy only has 5tds in six games.  SMH.  How is he winning us anything with his stat line? If anything, that bad defense that you're talking about is carrying him. 

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

See right here, you're doing it again.  Making him sound like he is responsible for winning us games, when the guy only has 5tds in six games.  SMH.  How is he winning us anything with his stat line? If anything, that bad defense that you're talking about is carrying him. 

Can't blame offensive production on one player when offensive coordinator was fired in the first half of the season.

[flynismo]

8 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I meant that he isn't even good at managing a game. Hence the 3-3 record in all tight games. 

5tds and 4 picks.  Not really good at managing either. We don't need Flacco at QB with these mediocre numbers bro.

He is hurting the team as much as he is helping. 

I like how you avoided my question. Don't blame you though, haha

[Virginia 55]

5 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

lol....just wow...u sure you watch any football? U like Andy Dalton? or Gilbert?Cousin? or at least name one?

That's really ignorant statement....

Stop Trolling....

I'm wondering if you watch football?

Do you see anything in Flacco that you don't see in Cousins or Dalton?

I would literally take any starter in the league that has a team friendly contract.  But we don't need a replacement for Flacco, Ryan is already here. Win or lose, good or bad, its cheaper. We would get the same thing from Flacco.   

Edited October 21, 2016 by Virginia 55

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm wondering if you watch football?

Do you see anything in Flacco that you don't see in Cousins or Dalton?

I would literally take any starter in the league that has a team friendly contract.  But we don't need a replacement for Flacco, Ryan is already here. Win or lose, good or bad, its cheaper. We would get the same thing from Flacco.   

1. Neither of those guys you listed has a team friendly contract.

2. I've seen Joe not throw interception after interception like Dalton has in the playoffs. Not sure if you are aware, but teams kind of care about that.

I think the Bengals kind of saw how valuable Dalton was last year when he was out and practically nobody noticed...

[Virginia 55]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I do like the fact that I already played out your proposal of ditching him and what would happen if we did...

My guess is you haven't really thought this through...

He missed some time last year with his injury and all, to be honest i didn't even notice a drop off at the position.  

[Virginia 55]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Neither of those guys you listed has a team friendly contract.

2. I've seen Joe not throw interception after interception like Dalton has in the playoffs. Not sure if you are aware, but teams kind of care about that.

I think the Bengals kind of saw how valuable Dalton was last year when he was out and practically nobody noticed...

He mentioned those guys. I just reused them. 

Stop trolling. 

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Virginia 55 said:

He missed some time last year with his injury and all, to be honest i didn't even notice a drop off at the position.  

Right, YOU didn't notice a drop off. 

People that actually watch football, have played football and are paid to coach football, did notice a drop off at the position.

You've now identified the gigantic knowledge gap between those who get paid millions for this, and those who post on fanboards...

[AsianRice]

 

2 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm wondering if you watch football?

Do you see anything in Flacco that you don't see in Cousins or Dalton?

I would literally take any starter in the league that has a team friendly contract.  But we don't need a replacement for Flacco, Ryan is already here. Win or lose, good or bad, its cheaper. We would get the same thing from Flacco.   

yeah, like 10-5 in playoff and SB MVP? 0.667 winning percentage? lol

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Virginia 55 said:

He mentioned those guys. I just reused them. 

Stop trolling. 

But they made your argument worse, not better.

Your choice to reuse them seems odd, especially when it weakens whatever argument you were trying to make by referencing them.

"Hey son, do you want to know what the definition of irony is..." 

 

[Virginia 55]

7 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Can't blame offensive production on one player when offensive coordinator was fired in the first half of the season.

This is year in and year out. This guy struggles  no matter what the circumstances are.

Running game, Defense, lack of receivers,OL, OC .......its always something. 

QB's can switch teams, be in a new system, with new players and play better then Flacco..

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

This is year in and year out. This guy struggles  no matter what the circumstances are.

Running game, Defense, lack of receivers,OL, OC .......its always something. 

QB's can switch teams, be in a new system, with new players and play better then Flacco..

Which QBs, specifically, have done that again?

[AsianRice]

1 minute ago, Virginia 55 said:

This is year in and year out. This guy struggles  no matter what the circumstances are.

Running game, Defense, lack of receivers,OL, OC .......its always something. 

QB's can switch teams, be in a new system, with new players and play better then Flacco..

Let me give you 1 obvious answer...remember traveler Ryan Fitzpatrick? dude looked good in regular season in Buffalo 2010-12 and awarded big contract; after that, what happened? even he looked good, where did Buffalo team stand at that time? missed playoffs and 4-6 record..lol

[Virginia 55]

1 minute ago, AsianRice said:

 

yeah, like 10-5 in playoff and SB MVP? 0.667 winning percentage? lol

I like the past too. It has everything to do with the last couple years......lol 

 

[AsianRice]

1 minute ago, Virginia 55 said:

I like the past too. It has everything to do with the last couple years......lol 

 

injuries and defense meltdown, ring your bell? or Flacco just play the game by himself? lol....you know football is team sport right?

[Virginia 55]

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But they made your argument worse, not better.

Your choice to reuse them seems odd, especially when it weakens whatever argument you were trying to make by referencing them.

"Hey son, do you want to know what the definition of irony is..." 

 

I"m lost bro.

Apparently so is one of your friends.

Hence the double neg.

[Virginia 55]

8 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

Let me give you 1 obvious answer...remember traveler Ryan Fitzpatrick? dude looked good in regular season in Buffalo 2010-12 and awarded big contract; after that, what happened? even he looked good, where did Buffalo team stand at that time? missed playoffs and 4-6 record..lol

huh??????

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I"m lost bro.

Apparently so is one of your friends.

Hence the double neg.

Fanboard 101 "bro"... when you get "negs" (I didn't think people still cared about that), you've said something intelligent.

[Virginia 55]

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Which QBs, specifically, have done that again?

 

22 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Right, YOU didn't notice a drop off. 

People that actually watch football, have played football and are paid to coach football, did notice a drop off at the position.

You've now identified the gigantic knowledge gap between those who get paid millions for this, and those who post on fanboards...

Lmao a drop off the year Flacco got injured??? It looked like Flacco just changed numbers. There was nothing that they were doing that I hadn't seen from him.   

[rmcjacket23]

13 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

 

Lmao a drop off the year Flacco got injured??? It looked like Flacco just changed numbers. There was nothing that they were doing that I hadn't seen from him.   

LOL, still don't get it.

What you see doesn't matter. You don't have the knowledge or experience to know what you're seeing or not seeing anyway.

Joe Flacco is going to be the starting QB of this team for many more years. You can whine, you can throw your little online temper tantrums and keep talking about what you see or don't see. None of that matters, because what you see has absolutely no impact on the Ravens.

Like it, don't like it, who cares. That's all on you. Whine about it, cry about it, still all on you. All of that is a Virginia 55 problem, not a Ravens problem. 

[BmoreBird22]

41 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Which QBs, specifically, have done that again?

Sam Bradford with the Vikings has a worse offensive supporting cast, but he's literally the only one.

[rmcjacket23]

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Sam Bradford with the Vikings has a worse offensive supporting cast, but he's literally the only one.

True. Feels like that has a lot more to do with the system than him, since we've seen him on other teams in system/team changes and he hasn't been nearly this effective.

 

[ellicottraven]

The truth is Flacco hasn't performed to our expectations. There are no two ways about it. He hasn't played like a 9 yr veteran who's won a SB MVP for sure. Does it have to do with his knee thereby affecting his confidence under pressure? We won't know for another year if it is because he'll never admit to it. So here we are in 2016 with great expectations for the season slowly being suffocated. But, when one sits down and ponders about it, Rodgers hasn't been doing great either the last couple of years. So is it possible that some QBs regress after 7-8 yrs never to be their old selves? Who knows? All we know is QBs like Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees and Roethlisberger are still performing well. Are they unique in their abilities? Not sure, but one thing I'm sure about is its about time Flacco and gang get going overcoming whatever it is that ails them. I'm confident it'll happen this season but also confident that it won't be enough for a post season run.

[January J]

1 hour ago, Virginia 55 said:

See right here, you're doing it again.  Making him sound like he is responsible for winning us games, when the guy only has 5tds in six games.  SMH.  How is he winning us anything with his stat line? If anything, that bad defense that you're talking about is carrying him. 

Don't have to throw a TD to drive us down the feild and get us the lead via Running the ball in or with a feild goal. Which he has done several times this year. If our defense had held up after his late drives to give us the lead we'd be ATLEAST 5-1

[BmoreBird22]

47 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

True. Feels like that has a lot more to do with the system than him, since we've seen him on other teams in system/team changes and he hasn't been nearly this effective.

I feel like this is definitely the best football of his career, but not something we should be shocked about because he's shown this type of ability his entire career.

As far as the system, it's really weird because Turner led offenses usually have one of the top 5 longest times until the ball is released, but Bradford is top 5 in terms of getting the ball out. And he's done exceedingly well under pressure, not something we're generally accustomed to seeing.

I think very few quarterbacks could be doing what he is right now, although, these past few weeks, Joe has been in a similar situation. 

[Tru11]

 

25 minutes ago, January J said:

Don't have to throw a TD to drive us down the feild and get us the lead via Running the ball in or with a feild goal. Which he has done several times this year. If our defense had held up after his late drives to give us the lead we'd be ATLEAST 5-1

it would be nice if the offense decided not to wait till the last drives to try and put up points.

if we had anything resembling a decend offense we would have been 6-0.

if the defense played just as horrible as the offense every game for majority off the game like the offense has been doing, we would have been 0-6.....

 

 

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

The truth is Flacco hasn't performed to our expectations

That's not "truth". That's an opinion, shared by the vast minority of people.