[News] Game Recap: Redskins 16, Ravens 10

[slowboater]

  23 minutes ago, cbrook1862 said:

Yea, fire the head coach of a 3-2 team currently second in the division, Who's only had one losing season, mainly because of injuries. Fire the head coach who 6 of 8 yrs has had us in the playoffs and never eliminated in the first round. Fire Harbaugh on top of a new OC so we have no consistency, and we all start over and be run completely differently. Good head coaches are hard to come by, just ask the Browns. We fire Harbs and what does that solve.....? Fire Trestman and upgrade the O-line is all we have to do. We are severely overreacting, and taken things too far. The simple choice is the best, and firing Harbs and Oz, and benching Flacco is not simple or logical

I'm not sure the calls for heads are really calls for heads today. I think history has demonstrated that little good comes from in-season changes. The Ravens were extremely lucky (in many ways) to win a super bowl after firing their OC but I think I am not alone when I say, that there should be some coaching vacancy's if this team continues to digress. The offense under Harbaugh has ranked at 18th (based on yards, over his tenure) while this is not at all good, the fact that they are currently worse than that should at least throw a cloud over his future.

Excessive thoughtless penalties, poor special teams and a team that is at home and looked flat for much of the day. Much of that is as much coaching as the players. This team is 3-2 against a very weak schedule. If there isn't a very quick turn-around in on the field play by the Ravens supposed leaders, many will already be talking draft picks for next year. Do think so? Besides Oakland, the Ravens haven't played a good team and made these bad teams look good.

[Moderator 3]

The day off is part of the CBA, not a team option.

[slowboater]

  49 minutes ago, shiri2 said:

we had a fast start and then fizzled out as the 1st qtr. progressed. We frittered away the whole game after the first qtr. and waited again til the last 7 min. of the game to really try to get something going. Too little, too late! Play-calling is definitely a problem. It seems we were taking what the gave us instead of taking what we want. We too many underneath passes that killed our drives...short of the sticks. Too many dropped passes again. Last week it was Aiken who dropped a back-breaking pass, this week it was Perriman. Flacco had another off day...over-throwing and under-throwing passes probably because he wasn't getting any protection from the O-line (heard footsteps). And Joe only scrambles or moves around in the pocket when things are dire and teams can game-plan on Flacco being a stationery QB for the most part. I said it before and I'll say it again, we seem to be playing like we did 3 yrs ago...where we give the game away in the last minute or so by allowing splash plays or letting an inferior opponent hang around til the end of the game, giving them hope. We have a lot of raw talent that needs to be more disciplined (mental penalties) and more focused. Our team failed to go deep when we had the ball, but Cousins wasn't hesitant at all. As the 2nd half progressed Cousins confidence grew and he started going deep whenever he wanted without fear of interception. Again this week, like last week, our receivers kept running short of the sticks which plays into the opponents hands. Why run short of the sticks when you know it won't result in a 1st down. I get it... you hope the receiver can get YAC, but that never seems to happen with us unless SSS is the receiver. The plan needs to be to get beyond the sticks then cut your route short and make the catch and give you offense a chance to establish a rhythm or get a 1st down. Then the other thing, like the commentator pointed out, is that our defenders seem to be playing too far off their man...giving them too much room to fake a deep route and then suddenly turn it up short for a first down. I know this was a long post, but there's a lot I see us doing wrong week in and week out...some are repeat mistakes.

This is not school yard football. You just don't run a route where you want to. Plays are designed to attack certain defense alignments in certain situations. On 3rd & Long, the primary Wrs run routes past the 1st down marker, which leaves underneath open. So, if Flacco only has 2.3 seconds to make a decision, Wallace & Perriman were never open, his O-line is crashing, he's going to throw the ball to the open receiver underneath if that's Juice, Gilmore, etc. Almost every pass play in the NFL has a deep route, an intermediate route, a short route and a checkdown. It's up to the primary WR to get open (Wallace & Perriman were not) then it's up to the QB to read the route (or go to the next progression) and then it's up to the O-line to give him the time and then the QB has to make the throw. Good O-lines typically give the QB 3-4 seconds to make that happen. Ours is not. ZERO offenses can be successful if you are only giving your QB 2.5 seconds - I don't care who is calling the plays.

Well said. And don't forget our D-line is getting zero pressure on the QB as he picks apart the secondary. Opposing QB's have 5-6 seconds to throw the ball. Joe has 2-3. No wonder the Ravens are losing.

[ravensrock89]

team is badly coached and everybody in coaching and front office seam so close they wont fire somebody for the good of the team. If it wasnt for the easy schedule we could be 0-5 All we hear all year is players saying i am going to have a great season (campanaro Dumerville Jimmy Smith etc) and we get the same results what happens when we start playing tough games

[The Greek]

brady misses 4 games and plays like he has not skipped a beat today while flacco continues to look like a mediocre qb. what gives?

[ravens4life86]

If Trestman is still OC I wont watch next week and following weeks until he is replaced. Im sick of excuses.
Stop P'n on me and telling me its raining Harbs.

You abandoned the run..Again!!!! 19 rushes to 47 passes. After 13 total in the 1st and 11 for West with a 9 yrd avg just about..

Further and further we get away from Lewis&Reed

Worse, Worse Harbaugh becomes...
Takes on a highly questionable OC like Trestman, doesnt force him to stick with run pass ratio thst works in Ravens SB Winning years.

And he makes his own weekly blunders like continuously chasing points early.

This team would be 5-0 with a legit OC, and good HC'ing..

They have a AFC Title to SB Defense when everyone is on the field..
Only coaching can derail the season like it has the last 2 weeks

[ravens4life86]

Trestman has derailed last year and a half..i shouldve said

[verified]

brady misses 4 games and plays like he has not skipped a beat today while flacco continues to look like a mediocre qb. what gives?

brady doesnt have trestmon as his OC, calling a running play on 3rd and 9 in the red zone

[Ravenous_Ravens]

brady misses 4 games and plays like he has not skipped a beat today while flacco continues to look like a mediocre qb. what gives?

Well either his knee is bothering him more than they let on or this offensive scheme and game planning is just not working with this group. I'll go with the latter. Since last season before adding more of Trestman touch on the playbook, they were at least able to put up the points more often, even with all the injuries. Against the statistically bad defense they only put up 10 points? Only question now is, how long will it take before coaching staff/Front Office make the necessary changes. Cannot continue on this path and expect different results.

[verified]

the bills fired their offensive coordinator and look at them now they put up 30points todays. We just need a change, we had so many chances to put this game away, our defense played great. Loved the switch of kicking sharrece wright out and putting price and tayvon in their they played great. Out offense is just going to make us a middle of the pack football team unless we fire mark trestmon

[Ravenous_Ravens]

First thing, no day off tomorrow, practice in full pads, you did not play well enough for a day off...Looks like Wagner is injured again, you better sign a worthy RG, as Yanda was a beast a RT.....And somebody needs fired, make it happen.....And Joe seriously 3rd and 8 don't throw into double coverage in the endzone, focus on the first down, then take your shots, 4th and 8 once again 2 weeks in a row is a tough play to make....

Tough to say where this offense tries to go with the ball. Yes a bad call, but perhaps it was the call or the best option, which might be more telling of the real issues.

[Flamengo1265]

The Ravens only have 2 WR's, Smith Sr. and Wallace.....Chris Moore and Perriman can't catch a cold, Aiken's never open.  Once the Ravens get inside the 20 they might as well just put in Pitta, Gillmore, Waller and Dan Brown and throw jump balls.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

I want to believe that next week will be better, but I would just be lying, I have lost all faith. Just please prove me wrong Ravens.

Defense.. check. Special Teams.. check. Offense.. Offense!.. Anyone seen the offense?..

Better have Biscotti send out the search teams, this might take a while.

[Flamengo1265]

I love it when you have the best kicker in the league and you fake FGs.......or you go for 2 early in the game (like last week).

[FlaccosRavens]

We are terrible in the red zone. Remember...Steve had to fire Cam because John wouldn't do it. Same deal. We should make the move now. It's not too late. Steve, you are the man in charge. Save our season. 

My sentiments exactly! That is everything in a nutshell.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  1 hour ago, shiri2 said:

we had a fast start and then fizzled out as the 1st qtr. progressed. We frittered away the whole game after the first qtr. and waited again til the last 7 min. of the game to really try to get something going. Too little, too late! Play-calling is definitely a problem. It seems we were taking what the gave us instead of taking what we want. We too many underneath passes that killed our drives...short of the sticks. Too many dropped passes again. Last week it was Aiken who dropped a back-breaking pass, this week it was Perriman. Flacco had another off day...over-throwing and under-throwing passes probably because he wasn't getting any protection from the O-line (heard footsteps). And Joe only scrambles or moves around in the pocket when things are dire and teams can game-plan on Flacco being a stationery QB for the most part. I said it before and I'll say it again, we seem to be playing like we did 3 yrs ago...where we give the game away in the last minute or so by allowing splash plays or letting an inferior opponent hang around til the end of the game, giving them hope. We have a lot of raw talent that needs to be more disciplined (mental penalties) and more focused. Our team failed to go deep when we had the ball, but Cousins wasn't hesitant at all. As the 2nd half progressed Cousins confidence grew and he started going deep whenever he wanted without fear of interception. Again this week, like last week, our receivers kept running short of the sticks which plays into the opponents hands. Why run short of the sticks when you know it won't result in a 1st down. I get it... you hope the receiver can get YAC, but that never seems to happen with us unless SSS is the receiver. The plan needs to be to get beyond the sticks then cut your route short and make the catch and give you offense a chance to establish a rhythm or get a 1st down. Then the other thing, like the commentator pointed out, is that our defenders seem to be playing too far off their man...giving them too much room to fake a deep route and then suddenly turn it up short for a first down. I know this was a long post, but there's a lot I see us doing wrong week in and week out...some are repeat mistakes.

This is not school yard football. You just don't run a route where you want to. Plays are designed to attack certain defense alignments in certain situations. On 3rd & Long, the primary Wrs run routes past the 1st down marker, which leaves underneath open. So, if Flacco only has 2.3 seconds to make a decision, Wallace & Perriman were never open, his O-line is crashing, he's going to throw the ball to the open receiver underneath if that's Juice, Gilmore, etc. Almost every pass play in the NFL has a deep route, an intermediate route, a short route and a checkdown. It's up to the primary WR to get open (Wallace & Perriman were not) then it's up to the QB to read the route (or go to the next progression) and then it's up to the O-line to give him the time and then the QB has to make the throw. Good O-lines typically give the QB 3-4 seconds to make that happen. Ours is not. ZERO offenses can be successful if you are only giving your QB 2.5 seconds - I don't care who is calling the plays.

Agreed. But this story has been told for too long to be the real excuse anymore.

[BigUgly]

  50 minutes ago, cbrook1862 said:

I want to believe that next week will be better, but I would just be lying, I have lost all faith. Just please prove me wrong Ravens.

Defense.. check. Special Teams.. check. Offense.. Offense!.. Anyone seen the offense?..

Better have Biscotti send out the search teams, this might take a while.

You seriously gave a check to special teams? What, the stupid fake? The poor kick coverage? Special teams cost us the game every bit as much as the putrid offense.

[gr2522]

Unbelievable loss once again leaving us searching for answers. John Harbaugh said "I think we have to find our offense". True, but in reality he needs to find an OC. Offensive inefficiency, lack of discipline, and all the other negative mistakes committed by the offense can only be attributed to Mr. Trestman. Please Mr. Biscotti step in and fire your OC. Heck, you have Marty Mornhinweg on your payroll already who's been an OC and HC who can't be any worse than Trestman. Terrance West had 95 yards on 11 carries, so why did our OC not give him more carries? Harbaugh said "I didn't think we abondoned the run". So what do you call 11 carries for West. Oh, and not to second guess but when your Offense can't score and "needs to get better", yet you elect to give away 3 sure points when you have Tucker can only be called a boneheaded decision. Those 3 points would have led to a FG to tie the game on the final drive instead of 4th and 8 for like the second week. Wow! Ok, don't apologize to the fanbase, but you better explain this so called "aggressive decision" to Mr. Biscotti. Lastly, Shareece Wright was benched along with Correa just like Forsett a week earlier. Hmmm, might be the right time to bench Trestman based on his play calling otherwise another 5-11 season lies ahead.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Time to admit several hings:

1) Flacco is just decent. Slightly above mediocre. (Not hating. He's the best we've had. But that doesn't say much) His inconsistent play, lack of fundamentals, his forcing passes into double coverage, are all the indicators of an average QB. Sometimes he does amazing things, but obviously not enough. You can blame the o line all you want, but even when Joe had time, he over threw and under threw even short passes. Also, when he has endless yards in front him, he throws a 2 yard pass instead of running.

2)Harbs is overrated. A terrible decision maker in clutch situations. I think his record since Ray's retirement is 26-27. (May want to double-check that) He's just not a great HC.

3) Our D is legit. But pass rush is garbage.

4) Trestman is obviously an idiot. He fails to see a good thing when it's right in his freaking face. Finally get our ground game going, but predictably he runs tons of pass plays, killing all momentum.

5) Our special teams, aside from Tucker, sucks.

6) Our team, as a whole, is just mediocre. If not for the D, we'd be 0-5. None of our 3 wins can be attributed to the offense; who, despite great field position, and D giving them chance after chance, could not even muster up 17 points against one the worst defenses in the league.

7) We lost back to back home games against average teams with terrible defenses.

Enjoy another lame season, Ravens fans. If they don't turn it around, we may see a house cleaning at the end of the season.

1) Mostly agree. Flacco is great at executing the play calls, but not necessarily making things out of nothing. When the OC has been suspect his play has been suspect. When the OC has been formidable, his play has risen appropriately.
2) Harbs is still pretending he has HoF caliber players leading his team on the field for him. Time to step up and make up the difference in coaching.
3) Defense is legit. Biggest issues is lack of depth at ILB.
4) Agreed, when you stop doing what is working and so very well it begs the question, what game was he watching?
5) ST is better than that as they have made some great game changing plays. They suffer because of parting ways with proven ST players. Giving up a return here and there will happen but the distance and frequency is a bit concerning.
6) Mediocre? Maybe when they decide to play with urgency, otherwise I would say uninspiring.
7) Someone tell the Ravens where their home field is so they can get excited for something? Feels like the purple kool-aid is been passed around before games.

Firing Trestman cannot possibly get any worse for point production. Heck we might even see 2 100-yard rushers again. Just make sure the next OC knows what an offense looks like and how it gets going.

[picke]

1 hour ago, stixfix69 said:

First thing, no day off tomorrow, practice in full pads, you did not play well enough for a day off...Looks like Wagner is injured again, you better sign a worthy RG, as Yanda was a beast a RT.....And somebody needs fired, make it happen.....And Joe seriously 3rd and 8 don't throw into double coverage in the endzone, focus on the first down, then take your shots, 4th and 8 once again 2 weeks in a row is a tough play to make....

I agree. The team had their day off a day early.

[picke]

Harbaugh keeps saying we need to play better. Actually, we also need better plays called.

[Fastfingers]

What poor play calling. As soon as we abandoned the run the offense turned cold. We need a balanced attack to have success. Why not let the RB coach call the plays. Our defense has to be frustrated by what they are seeing. No support at all. If you won't replace Trestman, at least change who calls the plays. 

[Minionhunter]

Final 22 plays were all passes except for the 4th down scramble by Joe.

2nd half, 24 passes, 6 runs

West had 4 carries in the 2nd half only 1 in the fourth quarter

[shiri2]

  4 hours ago, shiri2 said:

we had a fast start and then fizzled out as the 1st qtr. progressed. We frittered away the whole game after the first qtr. and waited again til the last 7 min. of the game to really try to get something going. Too little, too late! Play-calling is definitely a problem. It seems we were taking what the gave us instead of taking what we want. We too many underneath passes that killed our drives...short of the sticks. Too many dropped passes again. Last week it was Aiken who dropped a back-breaking pass, this week it was Perriman. Flacco had another off day...over-throwing and under-throwing passes probably because he wasn't getting any protection from the O-line (heard footsteps). And Joe only scrambles or moves around in the pocket when things are dire and teams can game-plan on Flacco being a stationery QB for the most part. I said it before and I'll say it again, we seem to be playing like we did 3 yrs ago...where we give the game away in the last minute or so by allowing splash plays or letting an inferior opponent hang around til the end of the game, giving them hope. We have a lot of raw talent that needs to be more disciplined (mental penalties) and more focused. Our team failed to go deep when we had the ball, but Cousins wasn't hesitant at all. As the 2nd half progressed Cousins confidence grew and he started going deep whenever he wanted without fear of interception. Again this week, like last week, our receivers kept running short of the sticks which plays into the opponents hands. Why run short of the sticks when you know it won't result in a 1st down. I get it... you hope the receiver can get YAC, but that never seems to happen with us unless SSS is the receiver. The plan needs to be to get beyond the sticks then cut your route short and make the catch and give you offense a chance to establish a rhythm or get a 1st down. Then the other thing, like the commentator pointed out, is that our defenders seem to be playing too far off their man...giving them too much room to fake a deep route and then suddenly turn it up short for a first down. I know this was a long post, but there's a lot I see us doing wrong week in and week out...some are repeat mistakes.

This is not school yard football. You just don't run a route where you want to. Plays are designed to attack certain defense alignments in certain situations. On 3rd & Long, the primary Wrs run routes past the 1st down marker, which leaves underneath open. So, if Flacco only has 2.3 seconds to make a decision, Wallace & Perriman were never open, his O-line is crashing, he's going to throw the ball to the open receiver underneath if that's Juice, Gilmore, etc. Almost every pass play in the NFL has a deep route, an intermediate route, a short route and a checkdown. It's up to the primary WR to get open (Wallace & Perriman were not) then it's up to the QB to read the route (or go to the next progression) and then it's up to the O-line to give him the time and then the QB has to make the throw. Good O-lines typically give the QB 3-4 seconds to make that happen. Ours is not. ZERO offenses can be successful if you are only giving your QB 2.5 seconds - I don't care who is calling the plays.

funny you should say that, cause that's exactly how it seems! Just like we're playing school yard football these last 2 weeks! (lol) No one said run any route you want. what i'm saying is "run different, more effective routes that will net a gain, not come up short of the sticks." Besides, I'm sure there's a ton of broken routes/plays that are run that result in positive yardage. Sometimes you have to take risks and take more than they're giving you. These underneath pass for short yardage in front of the sticks is what was helping to kill us. Don't you see that?? We all know about the main receiver and the checkdowns, but if that's not working it's time to change our strategy. It's not rocket science.

[Smitty012]

I can see being patient up to the point where we are still trying to find answers. But the poor offense performance through the first 5 games tells me that the OC is not the guy we need to make this offense talent gel and produce its greatest output potential. Flacco continually states we need chunk plays but we too often hit the short receiver, well short of the first down markers on 3rd down. That is frustrating to watch.

[RaRaRavens]

8 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

Really Ryan Mink, your pointing the finger at CJ Mosley. I guarantee you the fans are not upset with Mosley. They are upset with this clueless offense. Everybody in the world knows we are supposed to be running it, except for these professional coaches. They are professionals at losing, better yet tossing away games.

Amen brother! I, for one, ain't even mad for the fake FG. We should not have been in position where this was a one score game if our RB was averaging 8+ yards per carry by midway of the 3rd quarter. Anytime a defense holds an opposing offense under 20 points in today's NFL, a game should be an easy win. Especially if your running game is steamrolling. 

 

Trestman has cost us 2 games now. What frustrates me the most is that Harbaugh does not realize this and is protecting the playcalling. 

[RaRaRavens]

4 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

Final 22 plays were all passes except for the 4th down scramble by Joe.

2nd half, 24 passes, 6 runs

West had 4 carries in the 2nd half only 1 in the fourth quarter

Exactly! These kind of stats are understandable if we are behind 3 scores. We were leading for most part and never behind more than 1 score. But Harbaugh doesn't believe that Trestman abandoned the running game. If he makes statements like these, then Harbaugh is as much of a problem as Trestman is.

[hen826957]

Man what is wrong with this team. They make it so hard for themselves and ourselves week in and week out. The same result always have to come to the final possession either we win or we lose. For so long l never seen them be up by two touchdowns or more in a game in a while. The coaching needs to change big time. I hope Harbaugh is willing to fire Trestman tomorrow. There's no reason with all this talent at Wr we should'nt be playing like this. In next year draft, Ozzie needs to draft position of need instead of best player available. We are lacking talent in the secondary and at pass rushing. That should be Ozzie first thing and buffed the OL as well. OL, CB, S, is what Ozzie should draft in the entire draft. No Wrs at all. This team is a mess; a mess. ☹️

[Ravens8383]

So heres one positive to look at form the first 5 games. When Stanley plays the Ravens don't lose. Not saying he is the missing piece to this offensive puzzle but we can only hope that all this dink and dunk stuff is because the coaching staff doesn't trust anyone else to protect Joe's blind side.

[Halshayeji]

15 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

When Your starting RB has 8.6 yards per carry on 11 carries and your OC quits using him, that is either complete unforgivable incompetence, or malfeasance. Either way every comment on this site should read fire Marc Trestman immediately, until it happens.

Amen to that! Fire Trestman!