Is Harbaugh on the Hot Seat Yet

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

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Except I predicted we would lose.... Again nice try kid. 

Edited October 17, 2016 by Moderator 2
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[mmcclend]

53 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Are you kidding? We did get blown out. The Giants plowed overs us again and again. Maybe my score prediction wasn't dead on accurate but it doesn't mean I was totally inaccurate either but it doesn't matter. You on the other hand ( as usual ) predicted nothing that came true. With all your hoopla and hype you are consistently wrong about everything you post.  I hope you are on the same train outta Baltimore with Harbaugh. You 2 can ride off into the sunset and find some other team to ruin.

Finalllyyyyy. Unbiased fans!!!!

[mmcclend]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Except I predicted we would lose.... Again nice try kid. 

All this arguing about how much talent you think we have but you predicted we'd lose to a below average Giants team? You're a confused homer at that kid. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, mmcclend said:

All this arguing about how much talent you think we have but you predicted we'd lose to a below average Giants team? You're a confused homer at that kid. 

Just because we have talent doesn't mean we should win every game. I thought the offense would be rusty with a brand new OC and we'd get beaten. Turns out I was wrong. The oline had tons of penalties that killed us and then we got injured. Funny how things work. I was wrong about how we would lose, but we lost nonetheless. 

 

And keep up the name calling. I've criticized the team before. 

 

Still acting like a 14 year old smh

[flynismo]

19 minutes ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Let me see. Is aggressiveness a synonym for smartness?

Obviously not. Nor does aggressive mean it is stupid. Not sure what your point is.

[flynismo]

23 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

All this arguing about how much talent you think we have but you predicted we'd lose to a below average Giants team? You're a confused homer at that kid. 

You know what? Just because someone is not a miserable butthole, it does not make them "confused" or "a homer". Get over yourself.

I predicted a loss as well, due to all the injuries. We had no business nearly coming home with a W, but the fact we nearly did just that speaks volumes about the quarterback and defense that this team has.

Oh right, you're one of those "Flacco is overpaid" guys right? Sorry, don't mean to credit Flacco for keeping us in that game. Clearly it was Perriman. And the OL. And Aiken. Flacco, Wallace and West had no bearing on the 23 we did manage to stumble our way into.

Edited October 17, 2016 by flynismo

[Warren]

Is it coaching or talent? Not sure. Maybe a combination of both.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

4 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Obviously not. Nor does aggressive mean it is stupid. Not sure what your point is.

Just sayin. Coaching aggressively does not always translate to winning. Bill Parcells was a great example of a head coach who used to get a lead, build on the lead and shorten the games by running the football. He wasn't aggressive but he was very successful. Coach Harbaugh makes decisions based on panic rather than sound judgment and good logic. That's my point, OK?

[flynismo]

Just now, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Just sayin. Coaching aggressively does not always translate to winning. Bill Parcells was a great example of a head coach who used to get a lead, build on the lead and shorten the games by running the football. He wasn't aggressive but he was very successful. Coach Harbaugh makes decisions based on panic rather than sound judgment and good logic. That's my point, OK?

Okay, at least I understand your meaning now. Is it a fact that Harbaugh makes decisions on panic rather than logic, or is that just your opinion?

[52520Andrew]

57 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

I have and it's much brighter with Kyle Shanahan or Josh McDaniels.

Let's ask the Broncos and Redskins how both those guys are. You think Harbs has an ego you haven't seen anything with these guys. Thank goodness you don't make the moves around here

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

15 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

All this arguing about how much talent you think we have but you predicted we'd lose to a below average Giants team? You're a confused homer at that kid. 

Actually, since I finished my work and have nothing better to do I'll tell why you're wrong. 

 

First off, yeah I predicted today would be a loss. I was solely basing this off of a change in offensive coordinator but that did not look like the problem today. I hated only one his calls. QB sneak at the goalline with a backup offensive line? Bad idea. 

 

But you have to simply factor in something. We were without 3/5 starters on the oline today and 1/5 was out of his usual position playing LT. That means 3/5 starters today were backups which is a recipe for disaster. Yet, we were able to get some good plays going at times, but were inconsistent at others because the offensive line kept holding and doing other stupid penalties effectively killing our drive. Not Harbaugh's fault, they played like backups because 3/5 were backups. 

 

Then we get to the defense. You lose your QB on defense in CJ Mosley, who's having a very good season, then you lose your top CB in Jimmy Smith and Odell Beckham Jr goes one on one with a rookie slot cornerback since we run out of options(which is on Ozzie btw not Harbaugh. I will agree with the sentiments of several that we should have addressed the CB situation more whether in FA or the draft, preferably free agency as corners take awhile to develop), your best pure pass rusher is gone in Dumervil, and then your depth at CB takes a hit. As a result, world beater Odell Beckham Jr. has to play one on one with a fourth stringer which in the NFL is a bad thing and of course he won. 

 

We don't have a world beater at WR but we don't need one to win a SB. We do need a #1 option, which we do have in Dennis Pitta who still looks like his old self even if we can't get the middle going due to a poor run game/poor offensive line play which prevents the deep ball from working, and defenses know that since Steve is hurt and Wallace is a one trick pony(albeit a damn good one) that Flacco is going to try to get to Pitta (who is a difference maker), and had to rely on Aiken(who at best is a #3 WR), Perriman(who's incredibly raw and unpolished thus being inconsistent), and one trick pony Wallace.

 

Yet we almost came out with a W. Weird right?

 

And we do have difference makers/playmakers

 

Joe

Pitta

SSR even if he's old, you don't count out a guy like Steve if he's healthy

Wallace(you have to respect him every time he's on the field because of his speed. That makes him a difference maker)

West

 

And yes, we were missing only one of them, but those playmakers become useless when your oline fails and 3/5 of them were gone.

 

 

As for defense, we're a damn good unit.

CJ

Weddle

Jimmy(tell me after today he's not a difference maker. I dare you)

Young can make plays(even if he makes the occasional rookie mistake. Which is fine.. HE'S A ROOKIE CORNER. They take awhile to develop and he's faring pretty well)

Jernigan(even if he didn't do much this week, he's been good in the previous 5 games. Best interior rusher)

Suggs(with his high football IQ is a playmaker).

 

Oh look, the only FA acquisition is Weddle. We drafted the other ones and outside of Suggs most of them were recent. Huh?

 

"But we lack depth."

No. Urschel and Jensen are both good backup guards. But when you have to similtaneously play both of them because your very good rookie LT is hurt and your all pro right guard is hurt, something has gone wrong. As for LB Judon is a good pass rusher who needs to learn how to set the edge, while ZDS is a good edge setter who has no bend. Both are good players, but are situational. As for the dline we have crazy depth. And Albert Mclellan is a pretty good backup MLB. 

 

But when a ton of your starters are hurt, it's hard to expect a victory. It's not because we lack playmakers, because even without them we almost won. The fact that so many starters are out with injury has screwed us over, and would screw every team over. We have good depth, but when most of the that depth has to start it becomes a problem. 

 

But sure. I'm a homer. I'll back away from my ravens unless they move. I'm proud of that. Changes need to be made(as in we could use another starting caliber outside corner), but overall Ozzie isn't doing as bad as many think he is. He hasn't been the best GM in the NFL, but he's had a slew of a few pretty good drafts the past three years.  

 

We'll put it together eventually. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

53 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Do they have phones in your world? What you don't seem to understand is-- This is a business. And business is based on winning. and if you don't win it's bad for business. Try to grab this concept- Win and your job is secure-lose and you will be shown the door!!!

 

Yes, and Harbaugh still won't be fired. Even when deprived do to injuries we're still in every game. That has something to do with the coaching. I hated the call the previous three weeks as well, but the fact of the matter is that we didn't execute. That's not the reason we lost this week. Our top CB got hurt, and our backup oline played like they were backups. 

 

I'm glad you don't run this team. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Harbaugh has done some really dumb things the past three weeks. 

 

But that's not enough to get him fired. If you solely blame that as the reason why we lost, then I have no idea what to tell you. 

 

He'll be fired if he loses the locker room, which I doubt will happen soon. He needs to stop and take the points, but the offense also needs to execute. That's been our primary problem as of late. Not him. We took a step in the right direction today even with the L. Playcalling looks much improved. We just need to get healthy. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

6 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Okay, at least I understand your meaning now. Is it a fact that Harbaugh makes decisions on panic rather than logic, or is that just your opinion?

Its just my opinion but he has a tendency to make bone-headed decisions in the 1st half of a lot of games when the ultimate outcome of the game is still very much in question. He seems to be desperate. I would have no problem with him making the same decisions when the game is on the line in the final minutes. That's just situational decision-making. Great football coaches generally believe that the only reason a team plays the first half of a game is to get to the 2nd half when the games are usually decided. As long as the game is close at half-time, who cares what the score is. The score should have been 14-13 at halftime and the final score would probably have been 29-27 with the Ravens on top.

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Its just my opinion but he has a tendency to make bone-headed decisions in the 1st half of a lot of games when the ultimate outcome of the game is still very much in question. He seems to be desperate. I would have no problem with him making the same decisions when the game is on the line in the final minutes. That's just situational decision-making. Great football coaches generally believe that the only reason a team plays the first half of a game is to get to the 2nd half when the games are usually decided. As long as the game is close at half-time, who cares what the score is. The score should have been 14-13 at halftime and the final score would probably have been 29-27 with the Ravens on top.

Well, let's just chalk this up to differing approaches...I personally would not have made any different decisions than what he did the past three weeks. I can easily justify that. I can also easily justify your point of view, that he should not have went for that 4th and 1 for example.

But my only problem is that the same people who second guess him in hindsight never seem to want to acknowledge it when his decisions pay off.

[PurpleCity5]

I doubt he will get fired and he doesn't deserve it. That said it takes a couple of losing seasons to be put on the hot seat, I think his seat is cold but if this season goes anything like the last and repeats itself in the next two seasons then yeah, I think he's on the hot seat by that time. It took the Giants four seasons to get rid of Tom Coughlin, I think four seasons of failure is what will do Harbaugh in. That said I would never want to see it happen. I think he's a good coach, he's not perfect but no one is either. People don't realize that a lot of other coaches in the league have a ton of respect for Harbaugh. Tons of teams would love to have him as well. I hope we don't have to go down the path of a new head coach anytime soon.

[cookiedood]

So. Just how many losses do the Ravens have now because Harbaugh passes on the field goal in order to try for a first down on 4th down? That makes two, this year alone. Why in the world do you not take the 3 points from the best kicker in the NFL when you are playing on the road in a hostile environment, with a makeshift offensive line, that would have made it a 7 point game. Honest to GOD folks , I just do not get it. Had he taken the points, that final drive would have gone a lot different if they were playing to get in field goal range as opposed to needing a TD. It is not very often when you can credit a coach with winning a game, but you sure can say when a coach loses a game because of poor decision making. I feel really bad for the players, who played their butts off only to suffer a defeat because the coach can't make good decisions. I just finished watching the Colts lose to Texas on the road because their coach Chuck Pagano ( a former Ravens assistant ) make the same decision to not take the field goal and go for it with 4th and a yard in the red zone. That decision turned out to be  wrong as it allowed Texas to tie the game and win it in overtime. Pagano will be losing his job soon, and Harbaugh should as well. Harbaugh doesn't have Ray Lewis and Ed Reed around to bail him out any longer, and his poor coaching ability is showing. He is just a clone of Brian Billick, he says all the right things to the press, but he can't get his team in the win column. Injuries are not an excuse, all teams have injuries, but the better teams still find a way to win.

[flynismo]

Oh. I thought it was the 66 yard TD that lost us the game. My bad.

[Maryland]

Meh, I was okay with the 4th and 1 decision to go for it. Can't remember the article/stat specifically, but your chance to win improves at a high enough percentage to justify the play in most cases. I probably wouldn't run a pitch play that starts developing ~5 yards behind the LOS, but that's an issue with the playcalling itself and not the decision to go for it in general. 

[Wildabeast88]

4 hours ago, cookiedood said:

So. Just how many losses do the Ravens have now because Harbaugh passes on the field goal in order to try for a first down on 4th down? That makes two, this year alone. Why in the world do you not take the 3 points from the best kicker in the NFL when you are playing on the road in a hostile environment, with a makeshift offensive line, that would have made it a 7 point game. Honest to GOD folks , I just do not get it. Had he taken the points, that final drive would have gone a lot different if they were playing to get in field goal range as opposed to needing a TD. It is not very often when you can credit a coach with winning a game, but you sure can say when a coach loses a game because of poor decision making. I feel really bad for the players, who played their butts off only to suffer a defeat because the coach can't make good decisions. I just finished watching the Colts lose to Texas on the road because their coach Chuck Pagano ( a former Ravens assistant ) make the same decision to not take the field goal and go for it with 4th and a yard in the red zone. That decision turned out to be  wrong as it allowed Texas to tie the game and win it in overtime. Pagano will be losing his job soon, and Harbaugh should as well. Harbaugh doesn't have Ray Lewis and Ed Reed around to bail him out any longer, and his poor coaching ability is showing. He is just a clone of Brian Billick, he says all the right things to the press, but he can't get his team in the win column. Injuries are not an excuse, all teams have injuries, but the better teams still find a way to win.

To many games he leaves points on the board in the st 3-4 years at least 7-8 games we could have won with a Tucker kick. The last 2 games t least 2 to the Bengals 1 to the Browns, 1 to the Colts, and 1 to the Packers, and that's off the top of my head

[January J]

You would've posted the same thing about him not going for it from the one yard line if we had kicked the feild goal and still lost. Be real with yourself. Coaches are damned if they do and Damned if they don't if the final results aren't in our favor.

[RavensPunkXVX]

There's a fire harbaugh thread or something just a few posts down, why not just post that there?

all of this is hindsight. Had we lost by 7, this wouldn't be brought up or had we scored after converting. 

[Desert]

IMO, I'm more concerned that we have a really hard time converting a one yard run, Goal line or not. We need to find a way to convert in those situations.

The fact that it was a fourth down , goal line play or third down doesn't matter. It's hard for this current team to do.

[RedFire]

8 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Just sayin. Coaching aggressively does not always translate to winning. Bill Parcells was a great example of a head coach who used to get a lead, build on the lead and shorten the games by running the football. He wasn't aggressive but he was very successful. Coach Harbaugh makes decisions based on panic rather than sound judgment and good logic. That's my point, OK?

 

This is 2016. Ravens stopped the Giants from running at a certain point and then the giants lit it up through the air. 

 

we made the giants one dimensional per ravens fashion the last 16yrs. But the thing is our pass defense has been questionable the last 7yrs as Ed Reed was declining...and McCalister and Rolle were washed up. we had strong front 7s...but we had shutdown corners that could hand with a WR beyond one move. 

 

The issue of pass defense occurred when we copied the steelers formula of only the front 7 mattering and let the DB's jump routes like Ike Taylor and Townsend and not worrying about DB's covering 2nd moves.

Edited October 17, 2016 by RedFire

[Aces and Eights]

Why can't coach ever seem to learn the lesson that "YOU DON'T LEAVE POINTS ON THE FIELD". Had we a coach that knew that we'd should be 5 - 1.

[FerrariFan87]

It's getting warmer... another losing season and I think Mr. B. cleans house.

[atomicfront]

I don't really care whether he gets fired or not.  I would be less inclined to fire him if he hadn't cleaned house after the Super Bowl win.  He didn't have any loyalty to his players who gave him success; why should I have loyalty to him now?   It's not like he is an offensive or defensive genius.  

[Moderator 3]

Has anyone considered the possibility that these "aggressive" calls are an organizational decision?  Pretty much everyone in the FO has expressed a desire to score more touchdowns as opposed to settling for FGs.  Perhaps John has the full support of Ozzie and Steve in these choices.

[flynismo]

15 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Has anyone considered the possibility that these "aggressive" calls are an organizational decision?  Pretty much everyone in the FO has expressed a desire to score more touchdowns as opposed to settling for FGs.  Perhaps John has the full support of Ozzie and Steve in these choices.

Then that means Steve and Oz needs fired too. Blow it up and start over!

In all seriousness though...I never thought of that. Could very well be the case. Whatever the reason is, I have no problem with us trying to put up as many points as possible. There's a fine line between aggressive and careless, and I do not think that we've crossed that line at any point. If Juice throws a block, nobody even cares and this isn't a topic of discussion.

[atomicfront]

41 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Has anyone considered the possibility that these "aggressive" calls are an organizational decision?  Pretty much everyone in the FO has expressed a desire to score more touchdowns as opposed to settling for FGs.  Perhaps John has the full support of Ozzie and Steve in these choices.

I had no problem with any the previous calls. But if you run three times and can't score why do you think you would score on the 4th play running the ball.  Seems to me even if you want to be aggressive that wasn't the place to do it.