Is Harbaugh on the Hot Seat Yet

[Rav'n Maniac]

On 10/9/2016 at 4:30 PM, wizard1 said:

I want Josh Daniels in here next year.

 

15 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Who is he?

 

12 hours ago, flynismo said:

Probably Josh McDaniels' English cousin

Nah, he's Jack's younger brother. The Wiz knows the family well.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

23 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

I personally can't stand the man so maybe I'm not impartial, but I think he has to be on a warm seat at least. When coaching decisions have a direct effect on the outcome of the games, his employers will notice.

I just think it's time for a young innovative mind to take the reigns and update our style and standard of play.

I fell in love with the ravens on 2005 2006 with their attitude and defense.

The league has changed and that era is gone, but if I was 15 16 again, there's no way I'd fall in love with this ravens team.

They are neither an explosive offense which indy had with manning Harrison and Wayne when I first started watching, nor are they the ray Lewis led 2006 defense.

I think alot of that comes from our coach down, it's been so long it just has to be. Keep the games close, don't get beat for quick TDs, run the ball, control the clock, not take too many risks, play the percentages and win it with a field goal.

 

I don't think it's coincidence alot of our games go like that.

His style will normally get you enough wins to hit the playoffs, and you can see the reigns have been released when we do hit the playoffs. I just wish he'd allow it all year.

I actually do think the reigned in style and doing enough to make the playoffs is a deliberate choice. 

And while you may want it let loose all season.... I think keeping it reigned in is why we're so successful in the playoffs. 

Were able to unleash stuff no ones seen, and there's no tape on come time when it matters. Maybe not entirely, but we have enough that teams can't prepare for to consistently pull stuff out when it matters.

Forces teams to beat us purely on talent instead of being able to scheme a win. 

 

It can be maddeningly frustrating... but if it works and you get to the dance, it's a HUGE advantage. I personally think there's some truth to it. 

[The Raven]

I don't have work today and I'm pretty bored, so I'm gonna think out loud and speculate. This is just playing devil's advocate.

Maybe there's something to this Harbs on the hot seat thing.

Andy Reid coached 13 years with the Eagles with a 130-93 overall record. He was fired. Jeff Fisher coached 17 years with the Oilers/Titans and went 142-120. Tom Coughlin was with the Giants for 12 years, won two Super Bowls, and had a 102-90 record before it was probably kindly suggested to him that he resign before he get fired.

All of these guys had great records and were well-respected. Why were they fired or kindly pushed out the door?

They got stale. They couldn't get the spark back. They just couldn't get over the hump or back over it in Coughlin's case. 

I've never advocated change for the sake of change, but the NFL is a big fan of it. 

Now, Harbaugh isn't quite at the 12,13, or 17 year tenures of these guys, but this is his ninth season with us. For nearly a decade he's been the coach. It's just flat out rare to see someone coach for much longer. In 2008, four new head coaches were hired. The other three were Mike Smith with the Falcons, Tony Sparano with the Dolphins, and Jim Zorn with the Redskins. Only Harbaugh is still there. In 2009, Eric Mangini joined the Browns, Jim Schwartz joined the Rams, and Sexy Rexy went to the Jets. Harbs has outlasted all of them, too.

Hell, even here in Baltimore, Brian Billick was fired after nine seasons -- funny, the same season Harbaugh is in now. He had a ring and an 80-64 record.

Why? He lost the locker room, got stale, had a love affair with Kyle Boller, and just couldn't get the spark back. He went 13-3 in 2006, remember. And then he was fired after an injury riddled 2007 that wasn't really his fault.

I like Harbs, He's classy. He's a great manager of people, and at the end of the day, that's what an NFL head coach needs to be. Someone who does a great job at managing his staff and his roster. He's been that. I don't want to see him fired. I think he's been great.

But ya know, nine years is a long for anybody in any position in the NFL. I really don't think we'll see him fired, but if he is, I won't be too surprised.

[K-Dog]

The difference is last season. 

Where under lesser coaches, most other teams would have checked out. Heck, most fans here no only checked out, but encouraged our team to do the same thing. Under Harbs leadership the team fought till the very end. 

Record aside, last season was quite remarkable. That would be tough to argue.  Leadership like that is rare.  Ya wanna keep that around. 

Harbs is safe for a few more years.

[flynismo]

49 minutes ago, The Raven said:

I don't have work today and I'm pretty bored, so I'm gonna think out loud and speculate. This is just playing devil's advocate.

Maybe there's something to this Harbs on the hot seat thing.

Andy Reid coached 13 years with the Eagles with a 130-93 overall record. He was fired. Jeff Fisher coached 17 years with the Oilers/Titans and went 142-120. Tom Coughlin was with the Giants for 12 years, won two Super Bowls, and had a 102-90 record before it was probably kindly suggested to him that he resign before he get fired.

All of these guys had great records and were well-respected. Why were they fired or kindly pushed out the door?

They got stale. They couldn't get the spark back. They just couldn't get over the hump or back over it in Coughlin's case. 

I've never advocated change for the sake of change, but the NFL is a big fan of it. 

Now, Harbaugh isn't quite at the 12,13, or 17 year tenures of these guys, but this is his ninth season with us. For nearly a decade he's been the coach. It's just flat out rare to see someone coach for much longer. In 2008, four new head coaches were hired. The other three were Mike Smith with the Falcons, Tony Sparano with the Dolphins, and Jim Zorn with the Redskins. Only Harbaugh is still there. In 2009, Eric Mangini joined the Browns, Jim Schwartz joined the Rams, and Sexy Rexy went to the Jets. Harbs has outlasted all of them, too.

Hell, even here in Baltimore, Brian Billick was fired after nine seasons -- funny, the same season Harbaugh is in now. He had a ring and an 80-64 record.

Why? He lost the locker room, got stale, had a love affair with Kyle Boller, and just couldn't get the spark back. He went 13-3 in 2006, remember. And then he was fired after an injury riddled 2007 that wasn't really his fault.

I like Harbs, He's classy. He's a great manager of people, and at the end of the day, that's what an NFL head coach needs to be. Someone who does a great job at managing his staff and his roster. He's been that. I don't want to see him fired. I think he's been great.

But ya know, nine years is a long for anybody in any position in the NFL. I really don't think we'll see him fired, but if he is, I won't be too surprised.

I miss Billick; more for sentimental reasons; he reminds me of my dad in appearance and personality, he coached some of our best teams we ever had, and I feel he was more transparent with the fans than Harbaugh.

But as you said, he lost his job because he lost the locker room. I don't think that's something we'll ever see under Harbaugh. If Harbaugh ever gets canned, it would be for performance issues. That's not totally out of the question given that over the years, he's made some decisions that played a role in us losing a few games.

Edited October 15, 2016 by flynismo

[RavensFanMania]

Harbaugh is not and will not be on the hot seat.  He is a terrific head coach that the players respect.  He will never lose the locker room.

[MTRavensFan]

18 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

The difference is last season. 

Where under lesser coaches, most other teams would have checked out. Heck, most fans here no only checked out, but encouraged our team to do the same thing. Under Harbs leadership the team fought till the very end. 

Record aside, last season was quite remarkable. That would be tough to argue.  Leadership like that is rare.  Ya wanna keep that around. 

Harbs is safe for a few more years.

Agree 1000%. Amazing some of those same people are already calling for us to tank this season, again. 

[K-Dog]

22 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

Agree 1000%. Amazing some of those same people are already calling for us to tank this season, again. 

THIS season? Already?

Oh good lord....

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

What does "COACHING LIKE A RAVEN" look like?

[The Raven]

1 minute ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

What does "COACHING LIKE A RAVEN" look like?

Idk man, but something tells me you're about to tell us

[Maryland]

15 hours ago, The Raven said:

long post

I appreciated your playing devil's advocate. Good perspective on how the NFL works sometimes. 

[ellicottraven]

Is Harbaugh on the hot seat? Not quite yet, but his seat isn't staying cold certainly. Almost warm at this point. There are some things Harbaugh does well, other things badly. But, every coach you can find will have problems as well. But, if the talent level with our drafting has eroded since Harbaugh was made HC and he is instrumental in drafting these players by being over involved in the draft process, then yes he should be on the hot seat. It's been rumored that he is particular about bringing on players that can contribute to special teams as a primary measure can only mean that he may pass on more talented players who do not play special teams particularly well. And if his insistence has contributed to our poor drafting generally speaking, then he is a problem. But, if these are just rumors and not fact, then one has to look at Ozzie as being on the hot seat. Last but not least, one cannot help but take a closer look at Flacco and his performance as well. You simply can't ignore him or give him a pass. This is his 9th year and he's among the highest paid QBs in the league but his performance doesn't reflect that. So, he should be part of the analysis as well.

[RayRayRaven]

7 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

What does "COACHING LIKE A RAVEN" look like?

Coach like a raven! 

That means take the field goal on 4th down!  and beat the stinkin poor excuse for an nfl franchise giants. that team is such crap.

[Mad Puppy]

9 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

Coach like a raven! 

That means take the field goal on 4th down!  and beat the stinkin poor excuse for an nfl franchise giants. that team is such crap.

Looks like Hard headed Harbaugh blew it again....

It wasn't even close the Team tried 3 times to punch it in....Kick the FG, woulda had a chance later

[Virginia 55]

This thread gets my support.  This needs to be discussed.

 

Harbs is gambling and losing his shirt.

 Pay the man!

The infamous line from the head coach to the front office about his average QB.

Harbs makes dumb coaching decisions every week.  Why wouldn't you take the points in a hostile environment?

Bye Harbs!!!

 

 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

His dumb decisions to not take points keep losing him games. I would say absolutely yes

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

That and his team is undisciplined, pelalties galore, all speak of bad head coaching

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Bruce Laird on the WJZ postgame show just said, "You have to be SMART and Take the Points on the road"

[jimmypowder]

A losing season and Harbaugh is gone . 

 

Very poor decision making this this season has cost us two games . 

Should be 5-1 right now

Edited October 16, 2016 by jimmypowder

[K-Dog]

If Juice had blocked a little bit better, West would have walked right in. 

How do we blame John for that?

A better block Johns aggressive play call wins the game.

[Moderator 3]

Defintely think it's getting a little warm under his butt.  While I like the agressiveness, we've fairly well proven we're not capable of executing.  Time to just take the damn points.

[Raving_Heathen]

5 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

A losing season and Harbaugh is gone . 

 

Very poor decision making this this season has cost us two games . 

Should be 5-1 right now

He's made very questionable decisions in the last 3 games. Before today's game I felt like Harbaugh was teflon until the end of NEXT season, regardless of what happens this season. But I realized today that every decision Harbaugh makes from here on out will be put under a microscope, and every mistake he makes will be magnified. If we have another losing season, he could very well be gone imo.

[mmcclend]

☕️️☕️️☕️️☕️️

[usmccharles]

It's sad that we can't trust our guys to score from the one yard line.   Outside the QB sneak I'm good with the calls.  

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Its not rocket science. With one of the worst red zone offenses in the NFL, you take the FG, John! Justin could have kicked another game-winning FG in the last seconds had it not been for the lame decision on Harbaugh's part earlier. The sideline prayerful poses and the finger on his lips are not the looks of a confident coach. Goodbye, Harbaugh! You had a nice run thanks to great teams who were able to impose their will on our opponents. Your post-game pressers are getting stale. Turn in your badge. Its time we got a new sheriff.

[mmcclend]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

It's sad that we can't trust our guys to score from the one yard line.   Outside the QB sneak I'm good with the calls.  

I feel like harbs just has confidence in his squad but because of a lack of TALENT they don't execute. It's just the truth. If we convert that TD, suddenly he's back in the good graces of everybody. Since everybody wants harbs gone, who do we bring in? 

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

17 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

What does "COACHING LIKE A RAVEN" look like?

I'd think it's in your username.

[Raving_Heathen]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

It's sad that we can't trust our guys to score from the one yard line.   Outside the QB sneak I'm good with the calls.  

That was an abysmal call. That was a very long yard and your OL was absolute patchwork.

[Sir Spooky]

Juice makes that block like he supposed to and we score. It's not like weren't able to run the ball effectively today. Harbaugh has made some dumb decisions this year. (the fake fg), but this was not the incorrect decision. 95% of coaches (this includes OCs too) would  go for it on 4th down right there. At some point your players need to execute. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

To get Bill Belicheck, NE gave up 2 #1 draft picks....was it worth it?