Is Harbaugh on the Hot Seat Yet

[Inqui]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Yea I heard the same thing, mainly from members on here that DeCosta was the one making picks for the last couple years.  Since that was from  members on here and no links, obviously nothing credible. 

I can't remember if it was Ozzie or Steve, but it was mentioned in the EoY presser last year.

[usmccharles]

Just now, Inqui said:

I can't remember if it was Ozzie or Steve, but it was mentioned in the EoY presser last year.

Ah, well maybe this is the year DeCosta finally takes a job offer somewhere

[Inqui]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Now he's really on the hot seat. I think Harbaugh can be great with the right people around him. Unfortunately he's not that good at going out and getting those people, and settles for his friends way too often.

Yep, I actually don't mind him keeping Pees but Marty in particular is going to define whether we start taking applications for HC in 2018.

With next year being the last year on Harbaugh's contract it'll be interesting to see if they extend him over the next few months. If they don't, it'll be a sign that he's on as hot a seat as any in the league and next year will be very interesting indeed.

[codizzle]

20 minutes ago, Inqui said:

I can't remember if it was Ozzie or Steve, but it was mentioned in the EoY presser last year.

It was Ozzie 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, codizzle said:

It was Ozzie 

I can confirm it. I watched it last year. I'm in agreement with your post. As angry as I am with Harbaugh about retaining Marty, and as much as I don't like the bend-don't-break defense, Ozzie has missed majorily on some picks and it's biting us. Yeah laugh at Pees and blame him for our downfall, but what outside edge rushers do we have?

 

Harbaugh is a person I'm honestly pissed with right now, but putting all the blame on him is foolish. If Marty does fail(like I think he will), he'll be fired because honestly, that was dumb, but more blame has to go to FO. 

 

That being said, I think Maxx Williams shouldn't count as a miss yet. He was good for a rookie TE and then misused by Trestman before getting shut down. I think he's gonna be good nexxt year(no not a typo)

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Harbaugh will go down with his coordinators....if we keep them, bring in some knowledgeable consultants with a high football iq, this team sorely needs it, and last i checked, theres no cap on those....maybe we hire Kubes as an outside offensive consultant, to help Marty become more offensive, low stress, make his own schedule

[K-Dog]

It would be irresponsible to even attempt to hire Kubes.  People need to stop it with the Kubes talk.

[ratedr]

Harbaugh has decided to tie his fate with his coordinators. I predict they will all be gone after 2017.

[cwfRaven]

5 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Harbs time is up. I think clearly the teams has stagnated under him and there are no signs that anything will change. Harbaugh doesn't have the answers we need, this roster has too much talent to waste away under-achieving for another year.

Harbs and Marty need to go. When something is broke you fix it. It is insane to keep the staff on board and expect different results next year. We're in for a repeat of 2016 with them, mark my words. See the writing on the wall and move on when the time is right, not when it's too late.

Ya think? Not trying to be argumentative, but DO we really have the talent or are we just assuming it's there and not being used or developed right? Maybe we have average talent that won't be better than average regardless of coaching. 

 

I think we DO have some young talent (BP, Young, Dixon, Lewis, and a few others), but I can't help but wonder if we just assume others are talented because, well - in Ozzie we trust, right? I'm trying to think of players we "developed," then lost or let go, that went on to be really special somewhere else with "better coaching" and no one is coming to mind.

 

I'm not saying I disagree with your statement, just considering another perspective.  

[Glen1024]

When year after year other teams keep picking off your top players coming off rookie deals and players getting big pay days, that says other teams still value the talent of the ravens....our GM has built more than one superbowl champion....my question is why the change of offensive and defensive philosophies when what has worked well for so long around here....the talent and scheme is not meshing, the philosophy has changed either we get back to what has worked in the past with Ozzie or we need someone new that can draft talent to fit the new approach we've taken. And with the 2 worse rushing teams in terms of yards and attempts in raven history these last 2 seasons it can't be denied that somewhere the approach changed

[cwfRaven]

7 minutes ago, Glen1024 said:

When year after year other teams keep picking off your top players coming off rookie deals and players getting big pay days, that says other teams still value the talent of the ravens....our GM has built more than one superbowl champion....my question is why the change of offensive and defensive philosophies when what has worked well for so long around here....the talent and scheme is not meshing, the philosophy has changed either we get back to what has worked in the past with Ozzie or we need someone new that can draft talent to fit the new approach we've taken. And with the 2 worse rushing teams in terms of yards and attempts in raven history these last 2 seasons it can't be denied that somewhere the approach changed

Interesting point. So you're basically saying we're drafting "old Ravens" type players and trying to fit them into "new Ravens" scheme. Square peg, round hole thing.  🤔  

[JoeyFlex5]

Harbaugh is now on the hot seat. To say he was on the hot seat midseason was way premature, but then missing the playoffs yet again officially lit that fire, and retaining martyball has added another log to it. 

If we Have another dismal year on offense and we continue to melt down in the 4th quarter, I think he's gonna be gone. 

And if/when that happens, it will be a scary day ravens nation. We may very well experience what teams like the jaguars and titans have experienced the past decade. Most head coaches are total failures, we got lucky with harbaugh and if he overstays his welcome then we can finally find out just how good we've had it. 

All this said though, if we have another bad season, as much as I like harbaugh, I'll say myself that Its time to go. Sometimes you need a change of pace and maybe even dwell the cellar for a bit to get back on track 

[Cville-Raven]

1 hour ago, K-Dog said:

It would be irresponsible to even attempt to hire Kubes.  People need to stop it with the Kubes talk.

Yeah seriously. The guy would be putting his life at risk if he coached.

[AsianRice]

36 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

Yeah seriously. The guy would be putting his life at risk if he coached.

well, he's never once sick when he was a coordinator.....

[sflegend89]

If Harbs and Marty stay we're getting a repeat of this season in 2017, average team that can't get over the hump. How can Steve not realize the team has stagnated under Harbaugh and his staff decisions have been shoddy for a long time. 

We need a sharp football mind at the helm. We don't need a charismatic former special teams coach, we need an X's and O's guy who will hire a competent OC and actually get the most out of this roster. 

Thinking about another year of Harbs and the same old shortcomings every week is extremely disheartening. I'm surprised the fans aren't kicking up more of a fuss ovet this. It's obvious that there is a glass ceiling on this team right now that we aren't breaking through with this coaching staff.

[Passepartout]

Just hope that the team can make the playoffs again. As that could save John Harbaugh's job. But really not going to the playoffs back to back hurts!

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Harbaugh is now on the hot seat. To say he was on the hot seat midseason was way premature, but then missing the playoffs yet again officially lit that fire, and retaining martyball has added another log to it. 

If we Have another dismal year on offense and we continue to melt down in the 4th quarter, I think he's gonna be gone. 

And if/when that happens, it will be a scary day ravens nation. We may very well experience what teams like the jaguars and titans have experienced the past decade. Most head coaches are total failures, we got lucky with harbaugh and if he overstays his welcome then we can finally find out just how good we've had it. 

All this said though, if we have another bad season, as much as I like harbaugh, I'll say myself that Its time to go. Sometimes you need a change of pace and maybe even dwell the cellar for a bit to get back on track 

Ya know what, i actually agree.  I was completely against the notion of him being on the hot seat, but like you said that was mid season, now seeing how things played out, and the decision to keep all coaches, it puts it all on him.  But yet, we still dont actually know.  but i think even if we see a 500 season, something big will happen.  I think it was a mistake to keep Marty, not because i think hes terrible, im in the notion he needs time to put his system in, i just think it shows how unwilling Harbs is to make changes. 

[Ravens419]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Ya know what, i actually agree.  I was completely against the notion of him being on the hot seat, but like you said that was mid season, now seeing how things played out, and the decision to keep all coaches, it puts it all on him.  But yet, we still dont actually know.  but i think even if we see a 500 season, something big will happen.  I think it was a mistake to keep Marty, not because i think hes terrible, im in the notion he needs time to put his system in, i just think it shows how unwilling Harbs is to make changes. 

I think the point here is for once he is trying to keep the same OC the players seem to like him... have any of you ever thought maybe Harbs asked guys like Joe and Dennis and Marshal and they all decided that maybe some continuity for the this young offense is best I personally think we will be just fine with a full offseason I don't think bringing anyone in will be much different 

[usmccharles]

Just now, Ravens419 said:

I think the point here is for once he is trying to keep the same OC the players seem to like him... have any of you ever thought maybe Harbs asked guys like Joe and Dennis and Marshal and they all decided that maybe some continuity for the this young offense is best I personally think we will be just fine with a full offseason I don't think bringing anyone in will be much different 

I agree basically, i was just saying that i think keeping the same guys puts more pressure on Harbs rather than bringing someone new in and that being an excuse. 

[JO_75]

6 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I can confirm it. I watched it last year. I'm in agreement with your post. As angry as I am with Harbaugh about retaining Marty, and as much as I don't like the bend-don't-break defense, Ozzie has missed majorily on some picks and it's biting us. Yeah laugh at Pees and blame him for our downfall, but what outside edge rushers do we have?

 

Harbaugh is a person I'm honestly pissed with right now, but putting all the blame on him is foolish. If Marty does fail(like I think he will), he'll be fired because honestly, that was dumb, but more blame has to go to FO. 

 

That being said, I think Maxx Williams shouldn't count as a miss yet. He was good for a rookie TE and then misused by Trestman before getting shut down. I think he's gonna be good nexxt year(no not a typo)

To me, it seems DeCosta having more input is giving us more project players than we usually draft. I know our philosophy is to draft guys with the intention of them starting a year later(usually to replace a FA) but I think we have gone to that well way too much. Other teams aren't afraid to give their rookies a chance, not saying we start every rookie we draft this year but we've gotta look for more players that can contribute right away. 

That in turn doesn't help Harbaugh or the coaching staff to field the best 53 players to go win a Super Bowl. I would say best thing to do is get a little more younger, untie Harbaugh's hands with some cap relief of older guys and go from there. 

[GrimCoconut]

If you think Harbaugh is on the hot seat or on more of a hot seat because he's keeping Marty then I personally disagree. Does anyone think that Harbaugh would be absolved of another losing or .500 season if he fired Marty? I doubt it. I think Harbaugh chose what he knows over what he doesn't. Who could he bring in who's clearly better than Marty? I mean clearly better not just potentially better. 

[jimmypowder]

On 12/27/2016 at 9:59 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

With Harbaugh, you have to see how it looks.

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed retire and you go 8-8 and miss the playoffs. 

You get Gary Kubiak and go deep, but then he leaves for another team that wins the Super Bowl and your team goes 5-11.

This year, the Ravens can't do bettet than 9-7 and will miss the playoffs. Harbaugh fired his offensive coordinator and not much changed. Harbaugh especially wanted a run game and the Ravens had been running even less until these past two games.

That's not really a good look on any front. It's going to look entirely like Ray, Ed, and Kubiak are the reason for the Ravens success. I'm not saying that's true at all, but it'll look that way. 

Similar to Rex with Roman, I think Harbaugh's tenure here is semi tied to Marty and that's not a good thing. You used Trestman as a fall guy and not a ton changed. That's a bad look.

 

[jimmypowder]

Harbaugh is on the hot seat big time after retaining all staff. 

No playoffs means they all get fired . 

[RaineV1]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

If you think Harbaugh is on the hot seat or on more of a hot seat because he's keeping Marty then I personally disagree. Does anyone think that Harbaugh would be absolved of another losing or .500 season if he fired Marty? I doubt it. I think Harbaugh chose what he knows over what he doesn't. Who could he bring in who's clearly better than Marty? I mean clearly better not just potentially better. 

Yes and no. I think he would likely be released if we missed the playoffs anyway. It's more the fact that he's betting everything on Marty improving the offense enough to get us into the playoffs. Another OC might have improved our odds, and thus improved Harbaugh's odds

[ellicottraven]

Where is that smoke coming from? Oh - Harbaugh's seat!

[GrimCoconut]

17 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Yes and no. I think he would likely be released if we missed the playoffs anyway. It's more the fact that he's betting everything on Marty improving the offense enough to get us into the playoffs. Another OC might have improved our odds, and thus improved Harbaugh's odds

Like who?

[RaineV1]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Like who?

McCoy or Whisenhunt are the main two that come to mind.

[GrimCoconut]

7 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

McCoy or Whisenhunt are the main two that come to mind.

Are you sure those guys are definitely better than Marty? Not potentially but definitely? I don't disagree that they may be but I can't say they're definitely better

[RaineV1]

12 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Are you sure those guys are definitely better than Marty? Not potentially but definitely? I don't disagree that they may be but I can't say they're definitely better

Well, the Chargers were pretty good at running the ball and having a more balanced offense despite having a not so great o-line. I can't say for 100% they were better, but I think there's a pretty good chance they would be a good upgrade.

[AsianRice]

4 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

If you think Harbaugh is on the hot seat or on more of a hot seat because he's keeping Marty then I personally disagree. Does anyone think that Harbaugh would be absolved of another losing or .500 season if he fired Marty? I doubt it. I think Harbaugh chose what he knows over what he doesn't. Who could he bring in who's clearly better than Marty? I mean clearly better not just potentially better. 

clearly and 100% upgrade would be Kubiak...

 

McCoy or Wishenhunt is about 70% better than Marty....

 

What we have seen from Marty is just a sample and not really 100% from his own playbook yet; however, his playcallings were mind-bogging; even if he brings in his own playbook, would he call anything differently? I doubt it..

 

He has the same system like Kubiak does, but that doesn't mean he would utilize better.  

 

I do agree that John rolls with something he knows......he knows Marty better personally than other available coordinators....He took a gamble with it and we fans will suffer the consequences...