Is Harbaugh on the Hot Seat Yet

[ellicottraven]

If he isn't on the hot seat shame on us.

[Grapple Raven]

8 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

If he isn't on the hot seat shame on us.

Ya know ellicottraven,  for the last 2 yrs. I've watched Harbs on the sidelines during games and he knows the sand is running fast through the ole' Ravens hourglass... if there was a conservation bubble over his head it would probably say: "Come ON guys, if you keep playing like this I'm gonna get fired!!!".    He knows.  The real question is does he know he is part of the problem?

[Militant X 1]

3 hours ago, The Raven said:

Ya know, the Bengals had nothing to play for either, and they still showed up. They were playing for their coach. I didn't see any of that from out guys.

I agree!  Way too many excuses being made for the Ravens piss poor gameplay today!

[Maryland]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think what makes it even worse is that this was a game where the player should have also been fighting for SSS. Did they not feel ashamed of letting him down on his final day?

I feel like for Harbaugh, that should have been an easy rally. Get them up and hyped for SSS. Get them to play their hearts out for him because we all know he always put it all on the line for the Ravens.

Well said. If you can't get your team fired-up to win for Steve when he's leaving his heart out there on the field, then I'm not sure if he can motivate them for anything. I mean, the season ending in Pittsburgh last week on an 80-second drive was certainly an emotional blow, but it seems like Harbaugh could have found a way to piggy-back off of SSS's retirement to get them motivated. 

49 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I'd honestly be surprised if anybody other than Marty got fired. I don't think any legitimate (non-fan) sources ever talked as though there was any serious heat on Harbaugh-- or even Pees for that matter. 

This is what I'm thinking as well. Probably one more year for Harbaugh and Pees, Mornhinweg (and Trestman) becomes the scapegoat. Drastic change doesn't come easily, at least not with the Ravens, for better or for worse.

[BSHU_Miami]

I'm all for the clean sweep. Send Harbs packing, there are many available coaching candidates right now that will be a better fit. Benard Pollard called out Harbaugh on twitter during the Pats game about his overrated leadership skills. I was a harbaugh supporter but he got out coached badly this season. His personnel decisions been stellar either. It's time for a change. We're mediocre and trading water. 

[usmccharles]

10 minutes ago, BSHU_Miami said:

I'm all for the clean sweep. Send Harbs packing, there are many available coaching candidates right now that will be a better fit. Benard Pollard called out Harbaugh on twitter during the Pats game about his overrated leadership skills. I was a harbaugh supporter but he got out coached badly this season. His personnel decisions been stellar either. It's time for a change. We're mediocre and trading water. 

If your going to say things like that,  why not throw some names out there.  You sound like someone who complains about who gets elected but doesn't vote.  

[PurpleCity5]

If Harbaugh is to get fired, I think what the Ravens are looking for in a Head Coach is someone of an offensive mind. Let the FO build through the defensive identity, unlike New Orleans they're very committed to building the defense, I think building the pass rush and CBs and then having Peyton here as an offensive genius would be insane. That said, my hope is that Harbaugh and the team bounced back because it would suck to have to find a HC. 

[Adreme]

I said this earlier and stand by it, ask the Eagles how great life has been since they fired Andy Reid who was known for making a lot of in game mistakes but was great the other 6 days of the week which are just as if not more important.  Right now if the Eagles could get Andy back they would probably do it in a heartbeat but they would have to wrestle him out of KCs cold dead hands.

[Deflated Football]

42 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

If Harbaugh is to get fired, I think what the Ravens are looking for in a Head Coach is someone of an offensive mind. Let the FO build through the defensive identity, unlike New Orleans they're very committed to building the defense, I think building the pass rush and CBs and then having Peyton here as an offensive genius would be insane. That said, my hope is that Harbaugh and the team bounced back because it would suck to have to find a HC. 

Sean would be a dream come true either as HC or OC. He would do wonders for Flacco and the offense, but I think the Rams get him. 

[kennethyamini1989]

If Sean Payton gets fired, I think he'd be a good fit for the Ravens :/ 

[52520Andrew]

27 minutes ago, kennethyamini1989 said:

If Sean Payton gets fired, I think he'd be a good fit for the Ravens :/ 

Payton is probably being traded to the Rams or Chargers

[Davesta]

Post Ray Lewis / Ed reed era, John harbaugh did what? Miss playoffs 3 of 4 years. So I wonder if it was even him or was it Lewis and reed who motivated / carried the team.

Harbaugh doesn't know how to evaluate and improve young talents, often having to rely on old vets. Our top WRs are always FA vets we bring in. Why isn't maxx being used more? Cutting brooks and keeping Kendrick Lewis..really? Keeping Hester out there for that long into the season. 

John will probably get another year, I just hope he gets a great OC and Fire pees and his prevent defense. Whenever we get a lead, pees goes into it, drives me crazy. Wish we could just stay agressive. 

[Tru11]

prevent defense is pretty much rushing 3 dropping 8 in deep coverage.

could be wrong but i have rarely seen us doing this.

on another note the pats seems to be making a habit of doing just that and it works pretty well for them.....

[BSHU_Miami]

8 hours ago, usmccharles said:

If your going to say things like that,  why not throw some names out there.  You sound like someone who complains about who gets elected but doesn't vote.  

Sean Payton
Kyle Shannahan
Josh McDaniels

There is three, you want anymore? It's not like those named haven't been discussed in these threads before.

Edited January 2 by BSHU_Miami

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, Adreme said:

I said this earlier and stand by it, ask the Eagles how great life has been since they fired Andy Reid who was known for making a lot of in game mistakes but was great the other 6 days of the week which are just as if not more important.  Right now if the Eagles could get Andy back they would probably do it in a heartbeat but they would have to wrestle him out of KCs cold dead hands.

Well, they went 10-6 and twice made the playoffs after that, so I mean...

Plus, Wentz just gave them a TON to be hopeful about.

[arnie_uk]

The silence from the ravens, it Jeff zrebiec is actually deafening. He would have been told to say harbs Pees marty are all safe yesterday if that was the case.

There is definitely a firing of some description coming today!

[Bmoreburner]

I thought Harbaugh deserved another year...until i saw the bengals game. Cant motivate the guys to play for him or sss. The man has got to go.

[jimmypowder]

Pees and Marty are as good  as gone . Pees will either retire or get fired . There have been too many 4th quarter meltdowns over the years . 

And no it's not conditioning ! 

[Militant X 1]

4 hours ago, Davesta said:

Post Ray Lewis / Ed Reed era, John harbaugh did what? Miss playoffs 3 of 4 years. So I wonder if it was even him or was it Lewis and Reed who motivated / carried the team.

Harbaugh doesn't know how to evaluate and improve young talents, often having to rely on old vets. Our top WRs are always FA vets we bring in. Why isn't maxx being used more? Cutting brooks and keeping Kendrick Lewis..really? Keeping Hester out there for that long into the season. 

John will probably get another year, I just hope he gets a great OC and Fire pees and his prevent defense. Whenever we get a lead, pees goes into it, drives me crazy. Wish we could just stay agressive. 

You know the answer to that question!  C'mon now! 

[GrimCoconut]

16 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think what makes it even worse is that this was a game where the player should have also been fighting for SSS. Did they not feel ashamed of letting him down on his final day?

I feel like for Harbaugh, that should have been an easy rally. Get them up and hyped for SSS. Get them to play their hearts out for him because we all know he always put it all on the line for the Ravens.

Maybe there's locker room issues with Steve Smith Sr and nobody cared? I'm not saying this is what happened but it's possible because Steve had some issues in the past and a losing season or a season coming off injury could cause his ego to come out more especially with Wallace. I recall hearing somewhere during the season that Smith and Wallace were both upset. Perhaps there's locker room issues here and the team made a statement about Sr not Harbaugh? 

Might be a stretch but I'm just trying to see another possible perspective. Could just as easily be the players are sick of Harbaugh

Edited January 2 by GrimCoconut

[ellicottraven]

If Harbaugh is let go (which I doubt), I think one of the criteria laid out must be about not getting involved in the draft process unless the scouting team asks for input. The decision for all draft picks and free agents must lie with the trio of Ozzie, DeCosta and Hortiz period. The coaches should be given a mandate to coach up and game plan with the talent that is given. If that division of responsibility happens, we'll be back to being the Ravens of old. Just get somebody with great love for coaching and game planning and we'll be A-OK.

[Steve0x]

7 hours ago, Davesta said:

Post Ray Lewis / Ed reed era, John harbaugh did what? Miss playoffs 3 of 4 years. So I wonder if it was even him or was it Lewis and reed who motivated / carried the team.

Harbaugh doesn't know how to evaluate and improve young talents, often having to rely on old vets. Our top WRs are always FA vets we bring in. Why isn't maxx being used more? Cutting brooks and keeping Kendrick Lewis..really? Keeping Hester out there for that long into the season. 

John will probably get another year, I just hope he gets a great OC and Fire pees and his prevent defense. Whenever we get a lead, pees goes into it, drives me crazy. Wish we could just stay agressive. 

Thats why im suggesting Ray Lewis becomes the defensive cord. Players will listen to him. Remember when ex steeler Mean Joe Greene retired? He became Steelers  defensive cord and their winning tradition kept going. So why not Ray Lewis comes back and make the Ravens defense return its form. 

[K-Dog]

2 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Thats why im suggesting Ray Lewis becomes the defensive cord. Players will listen to him. Remember when ex steeler Mean Joe Greene retired? He became Steelers  defensive cord and their winning tradition kept going. So why not Ray Lewis comes back and make the Ravens defense return its form. 

Because he doesn't want to. 

You can't force the man to work here.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Whether Harbaugh is on the hot seat or not, Biscoitti should perform his due diligence and get input from the players on the entire coaching staff. He can't make educated decisions without their input considering how the players feel about the staff directly reflects their play on the field.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Well one thing is certain. 

The defense can not carry the team, Joe cant carry the team, and Harbaugh decisions cant carry the team.

Therefore, knowing these things to be true, you need the best coordinators to make both sides of the ball go, getting the most out of the talent the FO gives us to work with.

If the coordinators do not excel, we fail. 

I will say this, Billy B, and his coordinators are ALWAYS taking notes in game, and are constantly making adjustments, x and o's, and that stems from the HC. Situational football, football iq constantly being top focus. We fail miserably in that area, and is why we lose chess matches, as do most of the league. 

[PurpleCity5]

13 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Sean would be a dream come true either as HC or OC. He would do wonders for Flacco and the offense, but I think the Rams get him. 

Sean is getting a HC opportunity, but I can see him being reluctant to taking the Rams job. It's not a dream job, why go from NO to SL? Huge downgrade, I think Payton is just looking for a better situation. 

[JO_75]

6 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

The silence from the ravens, it Jeff zrebiec is actually deafening. He would have been told to say harbs Pees marty are all safe yesterday if that was the case.

There is definitely a firing of some description coming today!

Yeah, silence can say a lot more than words ever can. It might not be today as I imagine Steve and Ozzie are taking a day to figure out what's best for the team and a decision will come tomorrow.

[codizzle]

Harba doesn't deserve to be anywhere near any hot seat.. another bad year of poor play calling and careless penalties and then we can talk about hot seat 

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Harba doesn't deserve to be anywhere near any hot seat.. another bad year of poor play calling and careless penalties and then we can talk about hot seat 

I'd rather make changes now and save us all couple more years frustration with same all - same all. If I have to be frustrated, let's do it due to completely different reasons, whatever they may be.

[Ravens419]

35 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Harba doesn't deserve to be anywhere near any hot seat.. another bad year of poor play calling and careless penalties and then we can talk about hot seat 

Someone with a brain finally