Is Harbaugh on the Hot Seat Yet

[PurpleCity5]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I will say this- if the Ravens were to fire Harbaugh and trade for Payton, I bet he'd rally hard to trade for Brandin Cooks.

That would be great but I wonder what the trade value would be? You think we would part ways with Mike Wallace? Maybe not but I'd give up anything but a 1st for Cooks. 

[RaineV1]

8 minutes ago, mc_red23 said:

Hypothetical situation:

Pees & Marty are fired and Harbaugh is given one final season to improve. We fail to miss the playoffs again next year and Harbaugh is eventually fired. What are the chances of the new coach needing to replace the then current coordinators? In some cases you could argue it'd be better to just clear the lot out now and bring in a new HC and coordinators rather than possibly changing them yet again next year but I also get those that think he should get another year. 

When is Harbaugh going to shoulder his fair share of the blame? He's to blame for hiring these coordinators too, when does his judgement get brought into question?

While it's not common, there are times when a new HC keeps the same coordinator. If the Ravens offense or defense was doing really well the season that Harbaugh hypothetically gets fired, Ozzie could make keeping that guy a rule for any new HC. Or the new HC could just want to keep them.

[RaineV1]

1 minute ago, PurpleCity5 said:

That would be great but I wonder what the trade value would be? You think we would part ways with Mike Wallace? Maybe not but I'd give up anything but a 1st for Cooks. 

Maybe trade Wallace and a fourth.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

That would be great but I wonder what the trade value would be? You think we would part ways with Mike Wallace? Maybe not but I'd give up anything but a 1st for Cooks. 

I believe he'd be in the fourth year of his contract, so his cap hit is only $2.7M. As for value, I think a second could do it.

[mc_red23]

10 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I suppose it really depends on who you have as your coordinators at the time.

Let's say Adam Gase was your OC and your HC just got fired. If I'm the new HC, I look at what Gase has done (quite a bit of good as an OC) and say that he's worth keeping around.

Conversely, if I'm a new HC and there's Marty here at OC, I'm dismissing him.

 

3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

While it's not common, there are times when a new HC keeps the same coordinator. If the Ravens offense or defense was doing really well the season that Harbaugh hypothetically gets fired, Ozzie could make keeping that guy a rule for any new HC. Or the new HC could just want to keep them.

Thanks for that .  

[PurpleCity5]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I believe he'd be in the fourth year of his contract, so his cap hit is only $2.7M. As for value, I think a second could do it.

A 2nd should, but he played in an amazing offense that features a top 5, maybe 3 QB, you would have to wonder about his production here. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, PurpleCity5 said:

A 2nd should, but he played in an amazing offense that features a top 5, maybe 3 QB, you would have to wonder about his production here. 

Still talented enough to go in the top 20 in an amazing wide receiver draft and he's quite electric all over the field. One of those guys you can get the ball to at any point on the field and just let him go to work. He'd have been amazing in this check down offense.

[allblackraven]

30 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I just think there's some really good offensive minds that may come open (Payton, McVay, maybe McCarthy) and I don't want to see the Ravens miss out because they waited one year too long.

Payton will be the next HC in LA.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Payton will be the next HC in LA.

Goff would probably love to return to an offense like Payton's.

[Jonah DeVito]

I'm trying to understand the Payton hype. So we want a coach who is an "offensive genius". Where does him having a hall of fame QB in Brees factor in? I think it's possible that makes him look better than he might actually be. If you wanna fire Harbaugh fine, but why go with another coach who has shown mediocrity the past few seasons. So maybe we bring him in and he does upgrade our offense, but then our defense suffers, because we have all seen those amazing Sean Payton defenses! Then you're all gonna be calling for his head. 

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Jonah DeVito said:

I'm trying to understand the Payton hype. So we want a coach who is an "offensive genius". Where does him having a hall of fame QB in Brees factor in? 

We were able to see Brees with and without Payton. We can see a fairly stark difference.

[hawkprey]

I have always been a big fan of Harbaugh but the Patriots game was a big eye opener in terms of how poorly coached this team is. It reminded me of those intramural sports games I used to play, where you eventually run into that one team that takes the sport seriously. The one that has a gameplan and looks like they care a whole lot more. The Harbaugh Ravens, since Ed and Ray left, have looked like a team with no ideas just hoping to hang on. The offense has been reactionary - never proactive. As if the gameplan is to work around whatever successful gameplan the opposing defense has. Nothing they do presents a challenge for defenses. Outside of Kubiak, they don't even have a strength that could be called an "identity", let alone a gameplan ahead of the curve. 

 

The defense is the king of unnecessary roughness, like it's a complete enigma how to play the game within the rules. There are botched coverages constantly. They look utterly lost when the other team picks up the tempo or finds something that works. And for some reason, their goal each game is to let the other team score just as time runs out. It's pretty much a given that any lead will evaporate in the 4th quarter, and the game will come down to a redzone stop or a big L in the standings. Every week I wonder what they could possibly be thinking, giving up the easy 1st down into Ravens territory to prevent the difficult touchdown throw, and - if required - subsequent meager 30 yard offensive drive for a field goal to win the game. 

 

Every week Harbaugh talks about tough-fought games being a staple of "Ravens football". Why is the mantra of this team to be satisfied with being taken to the ropes every game? Why can't they close the door on inferior teams anymore? I'm just tired of this "We'll find a way" attitude. Whoever is going to coach this team needs ideas, not hope.

[redrum52]

7 minutes ago, hawkprey said:

I have always been a big fan of Harbaugh but the Patriots game was a big eye opener in terms of how poorly coached this team is. It reminded me of those intramural sports games I used to play, where you eventually run into that one team that takes the sport seriously. The one that has a gameplan and looks like they care a whole lot more. The Harbaugh Ravens, since Ed and Ray left, have looked like a team with no ideas just hoping to hang on. The offense has been reactionary - never proactive. As if the gameplan is to work around whatever successful gameplan the opposing defense has. Nothing they do presents a challenge for defenses. Outside of Kubiak, they don't even have a strength that could be called an "identity", let alone a gameplan ahead of the curve. 

 

The defense is the king of unnecessary roughness, like it's a complete enigma how to play the game within the rules. There are botched coverages constantly. They look utterly lost when the other team picks up the tempo or finds something that works. And for some reason, their goal each game is to let the other team score just as time runs out. It's pretty much a given that any lead will evaporate in the 4th quarter, and the game will come down to a redzone stop or a big L in the standings. Every week I wonder what they could possibly be thinking, giving up the easy 1st down into Ravens territory to prevent the difficult touchdown throw, and - if required - subsequent meager 30 yard offensive drive for a field goal to win the game. 

 

Every week Harbaugh talks about tough-fought games being a staple of "Ravens football". Why is the mantra of this team to be satisfied with being taken to the ropes every game? Why can't they close the door on inferior teams anymore? I'm just tired of this "We'll find a way" attitude. Whoever is going to coach this team needs ideas, not hope.

Church...

[allblackraven]

10 minutes ago, hawkprey said:

I have always been a big fan of Harbaugh but the Patriots game was a big eye opener in terms of how poorly coached this team is. It reminded me of those intramural sports games I used to play, where you eventually run into that one team that takes the sport seriously. The one that has a gameplan and looks like they care a whole lot more. The Harbaugh Ravens, since Ed and Ray left, have looked like a team with no ideas just hoping to hang on. The offense has been reactionary - never proactive. As if the gameplan is to work around whatever successful gameplan the opposing defense has. Nothing they do presents a challenge for defenses. Outside of Kubiak, they don't even have a strength that could be called an "identity", let alone a gameplan ahead of the curve. 

 

The defense is the king of unnecessary roughness, like it's a complete enigma how to play the game within the rules. There are botched coverages constantly. They look utterly lost when the other team picks up the tempo or finds something that works. And for some reason, their goal each game is to let the other team score just as time runs out. It's pretty much a given that any lead will evaporate in the 4th quarter, and the game will come down to a redzone stop or a big L in the standings. Every week I wonder what they could possibly be thinking, giving up the easy 1st down into Ravens territory to prevent the difficult touchdown throw, and - if required - subsequent meager 30 yard offensive drive for a field goal to win the game. 

 

Every week Harbaugh talks about tough-fought games being a staple of "Ravens football". Why is the mantra of this team to be satisfied with being taken to the ropes every game? Why can't they close the door on inferior teams anymore? I'm just tired of this "We'll find a way" attitude. Whoever is going to coach this team needs ideas, not hope.

Amen

 

[AsianRice]

10 minutes ago, hawkprey said:

I have always been a big fan of Harbaugh but the Patriots game was a big eye opener in terms of how poorly coached this team is. It reminded me of those intramural sports games I used to play, where you eventually run into that one team that takes the sport seriously. The one that has a gameplan and looks like they care a whole lot more. The Harbaugh Ravens, since Ed and Ray left, have looked like a team with no ideas just hoping to hang on. The offense has been reactionary - never proactive. As if the gameplan is to work around whatever successful gameplan the opposing defense has. Nothing they do presents a challenge for defenses. Outside of Kubiak, they don't even have a strength that could be called an "identity", let alone a gameplan ahead of the curve. 

 

The defense is the king of unnecessary roughness, like it's a complete enigma how to play the game within the rules. There are botched coverages constantly. They look utterly lost when the other team picks up the tempo or finds something that works. And for some reason, their goal each game is to let the other team score just as time runs out. It's pretty much a given that any lead will evaporate in the 4th quarter, and the game will come down to a redzone stop or a big L in the standings. Every week I wonder what they could possibly be thinking, giving up the easy 1st down into Ravens territory to prevent the difficult touchdown throw, and - if required - subsequent meager 30 yard offensive drive for a field goal to win the game. 

 

Every week Harbaugh talks about tough-fought games being a staple of "Ravens football". Why is the mantra of this team to be satisfied with being taken to the ropes every game? Why can't they close the door on inferior teams anymore? I'm just tired of this "We'll find a way" attitude. Whoever is going to coach this team needs ideas, not hope.

I was wondering the same thing; we always play down to the competition and seem always to try to dig out deep hole.  We just don't have good coaching staffs to put this team in position to win.

 

Harb is safe this year and he needs to put together a better coaching staff cuz if next year with same result, his seat will be very warm....

[RayRayRaven]

On 12/27/2016 at 4:56 PM, Glen1024 said:

And there in lies the problem....harbaugh record last 4 years is 31-32 of those 31 wins only 6 have come against opponents with a winning record, just 6 wins in 4 years 7 if counting the playoff win in pitt....and 5 of those wins are against pitt....6-22 is the record over winning opponents with only 1 miami this year coming outside the division. We are constantly being out coached in these games.....these are the teams you must beat on the way to the superbowl and we're not getting it done against the quality opponents

 

On 12/27/2016 at 5:09 PM, jboy19 said:

Its definitely possible that Harbaugh could be on the hot seat next year. 

 

On 12/27/2016 at 5:46 PM, ellicottraven said:

If John isn't on the hot seat or doesn't feel the pressure, Steve Bisciotti isn't doing his job for the Baltimore Ravens winning tradition. Harbaugh hasn't been tremendously successful after the improbable run to a SB win. He's been average to sub-par at best as have his players and coaching staff. I think he must feel the heat to perform better and expect better performances from his players and coaches. So, I would like him to feel the heat for sure.

 

On 12/27/2016 at 5:53 PM, Sherly_Tebow said:

Harbaugh signed beyond 2017!

As many of you may disagree, I like this. There's a lot of work to be done, but nothing some smart decisions can't handle.

 

On 12/27/2016 at 6:51 PM, JO_75 said:

If Harbs has a new contract beyond 2017... we better be getting some coordinator upgrades next year. 

Really believe that the Cincy game was a bellweather game for how this team as currently built will respond next year.   We laid a cincy egg with them decimated and it is now more than clear that a substantial change is in order.  Not a change of coordinators or assistant coaches, but a change of course.  Cincy ran on us the same way Pittsburgh, new england and Philly ran on us.  Our vaunted Defense is an illusion.  Jernigan and Williams are shadows of the guys that came before them.  

Its time for the housecleaning folks........endorse it......or at worst don't resist .   This team is mucho wrongwayo

[RedFire]

1 hour ago, hawkprey said:

I have always been a big fan of Harbaugh but the Patriots game was a big eye opener in terms of how poorly coached this team is. It reminded me of those intramural sports games I used to play, where you eventually run into that one team that takes the sport seriously. The one that has a gameplan and looks like they care a whole lot more. The Harbaugh Ravens, since Ed and Ray left, have looked like a team with no ideas just hoping to hang on. The offense has been reactionary - never proactive. As if the gameplan is to work around whatever successful gameplan the opposing defense has. Nothing they do presents a challenge for defenses. Outside of Kubiak, they don't even have a strength that could be called an "identity", let alone a gameplan ahead of the curve. 

 

The defense is the king of unnecessary roughness, like it's a complete enigma how to play the game within the rules. There are botched coverages constantly. They look utterly lost when the other team picks up the tempo or finds something that works. And for some reason, their goal each game is to let the other team score just as time runs out. It's pretty much a given that any lead will evaporate in the 4th quarter, and the game will come down to a redzone stop or a big L in the standings. Every week I wonder what they could possibly be thinking, giving up the easy 1st down into Ravens territory to prevent the difficult touchdown throw, and - if required - subsequent meager 30 yard offensive drive for a field goal to win the game. 

 

Every week Harbaugh talks about tough-fought games being a staple of "Ravens football". Why is the mantra of this team to be satisfied with being taken to the ropes every game? Why can't they close the door on inferior teams anymore? I'm just tired of this "We'll find a way" attitude. Whoever is going to coach this team needs ideas, not hope.

 

word....Harbaugh got exposed this year! 

 

Harbaugh got exposed this year. His specialty being special teams was a fail with Devin Hester not catching the ball often enough. shouldn't there have a been a guy telling hester if he should move, fair catch, or return it.

 

 

 

I feel his motivation speaking is not sustainable. I felt Harbaugh was needed in 2008 as we had HOFers that were tired of losing and he instilled/confirmed our culture. Now we need a guy to build up young guys. You have to switch your coaching style-up depending on personnel!!!!  

 

 

[The Raven]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I had heard a lot about how the Ravens were going to keep Harbaugh, but have to wonder if that's revisited after today.

Harbaugh told us all week that the Ravens would go out there and play to win, but if that game is any indication, the players all spat in Harbaugh's face and gave him the middle finger. Even coordinators looked dejected.

Absolutely zero care or effort.

And what's worse is that CJ Mosley got injured playing in an entirely meaningless game.

Ya know, the Bengals had nothing to play for either, and they still showed up. They were playing for their coach. I didn't see any of that from out guys.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Ya know, the Bengals had nothing to play for either, and they still showed up. They were playing for their coach. I didn't see any of that from out guys.

I think what makes it even worse is that this was a game where the player should have also been fighting for SSS. Did they not feel ashamed of letting him down on his final day?

I feel like for Harbaugh, that should have been an easy rally. Get them up and hyped for SSS. Get them to play their hearts out for him because we all know he always put it all on the line for the Ravens.

Edited January 2 by BmoreBird22

[ellicottraven]

Well if a terrible Cincy team can beat the snot out of us in a game that was supposedly must win only for the Ravens, this doesn't bode well for the future under this coach and the division rivalry. So, I say we have to shake things up ASAP or we'll see more of the same next year and it'll be more difficult to change course and get back on top soon. Make moves even if they are shocking now Steve Bisciotti. Clean house if you have to.

[Steve0x]

Well,,, Did Biscotti fired anybody yet? 

[K-Dog]

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Well,,, Did Biscotti fired anybody yet? 

No.

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[Inqui]

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[kennethyamini1989]

On 10/13/2016 at 0:58 PM, FerrariFan87 said:

Harbaugh should definitely be on the hot seat... his coaching decisions the past few years have led directly to losses, including the last 2. That's just not acceptable... that being said, most NFL Head Coaches are at least on a "warm" seat because it's all about winning, and we haven't been recently. The Super Bowl definitely bought him a few years though.

What do you have to say now that the season is a wrap? 

[NYCRAVEN4LIFE]

Am I the only one bothered that The Bengals beat us almost everytime? Even when we beat them it comes down to the wire? Can you imagine what the score would have been if AJ Green were playing? 

 

They run the same Cover 2 defense against us for the last 10 years and Flacco and Harbs still cant figure it out. Its actually quite sad. It's like getting the answers to a test and still failing the exam.

 

Its time for Harbaugh to go. But what im thinking is this? How about a qb swap? Flacco for Phil Rivers? Two guys who could use a change of scenery. 

Edited January 2 by NYCRAVEN4LIFE

[darklight1216]

5 minutes ago, NYCRAVEN4LIFE said:

Am I the only one bothered that The Bengals beat us almost everytime? Even when we beat them it comes down to the wire? Can you imagine what the score would have been if AJ Green were playing? 

 

They run the same Cover 2 defense against us for the last 10 years and Flacco and Harbs still cant figure it out. Its actually quite sad. It's like getting the answers to a test and still failing the exam.

 

Its time for Harbaugh to go. But what im thinking is this? How about a qb swap? Flacco for Phil Rivers? Two guys who could use a change of scenery. 

The Steelers are the same way vs the Ravens... haven't been able to win against Baltimore (usually) and even when they do it comes down to the wire. Pees is as predictible as I don't know, but it's the same story

It's just a rock-paper-scissors situation in the AFCN for the last few years.

You might argue that the Pats have been running the same dink-and-dunk offense for a decade, but still no one can stop them consistently except the Giants.

In conclusion: I certainly don't like the losses to Cincy, but I'm not ready to run John out of town for it.

[kennethyamini1989]

1 minute ago, darklight1216 said:

The Steelers are the same way vs the Ravens... haven't been able to win against Baltimore (usually) and even when they do it comes down to the wire. Pees is as predictible as I don't know, but it's the same story

It's just a rock-paper-scissors situation in the AFCN for the last few years.

You might argue that the Pats have been running the same dink-and-dunk offense for a decade, but still no one can stop them consistently except the Giants.

Yea. Bengals are the Ravens Kryptonite :/ Even during some of their best seasons the Bengals have always played the Ravens tough. They're worse than the Steelers. 

[jboy19]

I'd honestly be surprised if anybody other than Marty got fired. I don't think any legitimate (non-fan) sources ever talked as though there was any serious heat on Harbaugh-- or even Pees for that matter. 

[NYCRAVEN4LIFE]

4 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I'd honestly be surprised if anybody other than Marty got fired. I don't think any legitimate (non-fan) sources ever talked as though there was any serious heat on Harbaugh-- or even Pees for that matter. 

The team cannot and will not hold on to a lead. What is so hard to understand Bout that?

[jboy19]

17 minutes ago, NYCRAVEN4LIFE said:

The team cannot and will not hold on to a lead. What is so hard to understand Bout that?

I understand it. I just think there's a lot of different places to put the blame (players, FO, coaches) and relative to last year, there was still improvement.