Is Harbaugh on the Hot Seat Yet

[BmoreCOfan52]

McDaniels does not jive right with certain personalities and being able to get along with the troops is an important trait. I am not saying Harbs should stay or go but whoever is going to be taking over for Ozzie needs to make that call.  Harbs could be on the bottom of the poll when it comes to making big decisions so maybe he is not entirely to blame.

[Willbacker]

I don't know but Id bring Jim Zorn in here quick.Somebody better tell him to plant the feet.

[wizard1]

2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Aaaaargh, stop quoting him. Who ever wants McDaniels is insane. 

You probably are all for bringing Ray Rice back too . Come on man!! Talk about aaaargh

[RavensDieHard21]

Harbaugh will continue to get passes because of mass exodus in free agency, injuries, etc. but hmm regular season record since the SB is 21-18. The excuses are running out quickly, especially as these games have all been close and in most times it comes down to coaching and execution to close these games out and Harbs hasn't been getting it done.

[sflegend89]

I'm all for poaching McDaniels from NE this offseason. Kills two birds with one stone. Replaces Harbaugh who is more of a rah rah leadership driven coach with a cerebral, high football IQ, tactical coach which is what this roster needs.

Then we also get the best OC in the business to overhaul and modernize our offensive system. We desperately need to improve on offense and McDaniels is just what the doctor ordered. He's seen how Bellichick manages a team and will definitely bring that mentality with him when he get's anothet go at being a HC.

I think he fits our needs to a T.

[Maryland]

2 hours ago, Willbacker said:

I don't know but Id bring Jim Zorn in here quick.Somebody better tell him to plant the feet.

So much this. I get that the OL is terrible, but I guess the fear of pressure has him so shell-shocked he's using poor mechanics even when he doesn't have to. Marty Mornhinweg really didn't seem to do a good job with his mechanics, so I hope the next QB coach isn't just him again. 

[Tornado700]

Hot seat? Short answer is a resounding YES.

[sflegend89]

lol @ down voting McDaniels. At this rate we would be lucky if he was willing to leave NE to take the job here at the end of tne season if things keep going like they have. Multiple teams will be in on him.

I'm not even convinced he would take the job if we offered him after this season, he'll get multiple offers. Yet people think he's not good enough despite  currently being at the helm of most efficient offense in the NFL , one that squeezes every bit of talent out of every player at his disposal. Some of that is Billichick absolutely, but it's down right unfair to not give McDaniels his due since he left Denver. He'll be the hottest HC name in the NFL by seasons end. 

Edited October 24, 2016 by sflegend89

[Tru11]

Daniels is 1 off the best OC you can find.

He might be good as a HC but only if you limit his power.

Keep him away from personnel decisions and drafting players and it might work out.

 

[RedFire]

10 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yes we are talking business and as a man who has studied Mr. Bisciotti's business practices, he stays loyal to the guys he put in place to correct the ship as opposed to cut bait and start over like many fans would like to see. Mr. Bisciotti is the type that demands success but he seems to be the type that views the overall picture and not just the last quarter of business to make his overall decision. 

I'm not here to defend Harbs, as much of a fan as i am, I'm not happy. But if we are looking at the full picture and not just the record of 2015 and 2016, the Ravens aren't getting run off the field each week, they aren't a team that lacks fight, they aren't a team that rolls over and with some many games decided by 8 points or less it means that the Ravens are truly one or two plays away from winning each game. 

So when you look at the business aspect of things you have to make a decision between assets vs liabilities. Can Harbs be directly linked to the amount of injuries this teams has had over the past 2 years? It's no evidence of it. But have injuries cost this team more games than poor coaching decisions? I'd say yes. 6 of the 7 inactives the last 2 weeks were starters for this team. If the Ravens are playing this way at full strength then you must look at the coach. But the last time this team was healthy it held 2 14 point leads in the playoffs vs the Pats and was 1 play away from going to the AFC Championship game. That has to be considered. 

So yes, it's business and not personal, so that mean the decision to keep or fire Harbs will be made on logic and not emotion, which most of us fans use to make decisions. 

 

by that logic billick should have not be fired. 2007 was nothing but injuries! if we go 5-11 harbs is gone....that record is unlikely so he will have another yr even though we are not out of the playoff race this year. 

The difference is harbaugh wins games in the playoffs just like flacco...which billick teams couldn't do well beyond 2000. we just need to get to the dance and anything can happen. 2014 was a SB team, but the pats cheated us....we would have beat the colts and been in the championship game, no doubt! 

 

[MTRavensFan]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Why's that?

He's the guy who got rid of Cutler after his 3Rd season, when Jay threw for 4500 yds and went to the ProBowl, then traded up in the draft to go get Tebow.

The entire city of Denver is laughing right now at anybody suggesting him for a HC position.

Also, thinking you can bring in a HC who'll agree to having no input on personnel decisions is insanity. Never gonna happen. 

[RedFire]

with Personnel Control/GM duties......BILL COWHER imo would love to coach Flacco and go against the AFC North again. I doubt our team would let go of GM control to that degree....but i'm sure he would come to b-more and be motivated in beating Tomlin and Lewis every single season!

 

 

[RedFire]

1 minute ago, MTRavensFan said:

He's the guy who got rid of Cutler after his 3Rd season, when Jay threw for 4500 yds and went to the ProBowl, then traded up in the draft to go get Tebow.

The entire city of Denver is laughing right now at anybody suggesting him for a HC position.

Also, thinking you can bring in a HC who'll agree to having no input on personnel decisions is insanity. Never gonna happen. 

 

To be fair Jay Cutler hasn't done anything of note in Chicago. Jay Cutler keeps getting a pass.

[Tru11]

You have better chance of hell freezing over then Cowher coming to coach the ravens....

 

 

[arnie_uk]

Personally think ever single person is on the hot seat. Harbs, Ozzie, De Costa, pat m, scouts, pees, MM, flacco when the cap allows it.

Could be a whole new squad and staff in the next few years 

Edited October 24, 2016 by arnie_uk

[MTRavensFan]

5 minutes ago, RedFire said:

 

To be fair Jay Cutler hasn't done anything of note in Chicago. Jay Cutler keeps getting a pass.

True, but Tebow can't even get a backup job. Cutler's still at least a starter in this league. 

[FerrariFan87]

I love Harbs, but I think his time is up... this team is ill-prepared too often and his coaching decisions on and off the field have been meh. We need a new voice, not to mention this putrid offensive system needs a complete overhaul... Ozzie also needs to be evaluated. He's not Superman anymore. Far from it. Too many bad drafts. Too many slow, non-athletic skill players.

[52520Andrew]

Yeah lets hire the brilliant offensive mind who wanted Tim Tebow in the first round. System guy.

[52520Andrew]

I will say this though in regards to Harbs. All of these errors the players are making are easily correctable and yet we continue to see them consistently being made. Penalties, miscommunication, just dumb mistakes. Coaching is all about improving the talent we have. If the players aren't getting better changes may need to be made.

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, MTRavensFan said:

He's the guy who got rid of Cutler after his 3Rd season, when Jay threw for 4500 yds and went to the ProBowl, then traded up in the draft to go get Tebow.

The entire city of Denver is laughing right now at anybody suggesting him for a HC position.

Also, thinking you can bring in a HC who'll agree to having no input on personnel decisions is insanity. Never gonna happen. 

Cutler's third season was incredibly inconsistent. He'd have huge games that really inflated his stats (a few 300/400 yard games with 3/4 touchdowns), but more often than not it was one or two touchdowns with one or two interceptions for maybe 200 yards. And the Broncos weren't winning. And it wasn't just not winning; it was getting blown out.

But anyway, they had a fractured relationship when McDaniels wanted to bring in Cassell, his guy. Can we blame him for wanting his guy? Plus, they netted two first rounders in the trade, so... and knowing what we know now, it was a smart trade to make.

As far as Tebow goes, Elway still has to make that trade and McDaniels wasn't alone. Tony Dungy, one of the all time great coaches, said he'd have made Tebow a top 10 pick and the first quarterback taken. Gruden was absolutely in love.

No head coach has zero input into personnel. You just don't give them free reign, ala Chip Kelly in San Fran. 

But Denver can laugh all they want, but the fact of the matter is if coaches never got second chances, we'd have no Belichick and no Caroll, arguably the two best coaches in the league. 

Hell, look what John Fox and Andy Reid did for Denver and KC after having some forgettable final years in Carolina and Phili.

Edited October 24, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[Tru11]

28 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah lets hire the brilliant offensive mind who wanted Tim Tebow in the first round. System guy.

system guy supposed to be an insult or praise?

 

[BmoreBird22]

31 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah lets hire the brilliant offensive mind who wanted Tim Tebow in the first round. System guy.

I mean, he's had a year and a half of coaching experience as a HC... that's really TONS of time to tell how good he could be.

[52520Andrew]

Just now, Tru11 said:

system guy supposed to be an insult or praise?

 

Supposed to be a fact. I could be a good OC on that team.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, 52520Andrew said:

Supposed to be a fact. I could be a good OC on that team.

So you could turn Cassell and Garopollo into viable starters and craft an offense that still is tops in the league without Gronk? Interesting...

[52520Andrew]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I mean, he's had a year and a half of coaching experience as a HC... that's really TONS of time to tell how good he could be.

Yeah took a decent team and transformed them into the #2 overall pick in less than 2 years. Sounds like a great coach to me. 

[kennethyamini1989]

3 hours ago, MTRavensFan said:

True, but Tebow can't even get a backup job. Cutler's still at least a starter in this league. 

i thought cultler was benched. 

[Alexir]

There isn't anyone out there that would make me feel confident at HC.

 

Unless the Browns fire Hue haha.

[kennethyamini1989]

3 hours ago, RedFire said:

 

by that logic billick should have not be fired. 2007 was nothing but injuries! if we go 5-11 harbs is gone....that record is unlikely so he will have another yr even though we are not out of the playoff race this year. 

The difference is harbaugh wins games in the playoffs just like flacco...which billick teams couldn't do well beyond 2000. we just need to get to the dance and anything can happen. 2014 was a SB team, but the pats cheated us....we would have beat the colts and been in the championship game, no doubt! 

 

Pats didnt cheat the Ravens...Ravens Defense simply failed...

[52520Andrew]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So you could turn Cassell and Garopollo into viable starters and craft an offense that still is tops in the league without Gronk? Interesting...

Okay maybe not all that but with Brady it is easy. I think Bill deserves more credit for their start than anything else though. It is like Rex Ryan doing well with Ray and Ed. I don't trust him one bit as HC and I hope we go in another direction if we do fire Harbs. 

[Tru11]

28 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Supposed to be a fact. I could be a good OC on that team.

if you could why are you not?