Next Up: Ravens at New York Giants, MetLife Stadium 10/16/2016

[Maryland]

Not sure what the situation is with Wagner, but if Stanley and Lewis are our OTs, I'll be feeling more comfortable. I'm not automatically chalking this up for a loss; the Giants really aren't a great team. They seem like a solid 8-8 squad, same as us. 

[sflegend89]

12 hours ago, RavensPunkXVX said:

Honestly, I've lost confidence.  A good team beats Oakland and Washington. The Ravens aren't a good team. We need more of a run first approach and Trestman is just not into that. Shotgun snap after shotgun snap. Is play action not a thing anymore?

Agreed, even when we were 3-0 I foresaw a reality check coming based on how we performed against meh competition.

Right now we're a mid tier team, we play up or down to our competition but aren't a legit contender among the NFL's elite teams. On paper we are but the product on the field says otherwise and coaching is a big part of that, especially on offense.

Edited October 10, 2016 by sflegend89

[Sami84]

7 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Agreed, even when we were 3-0 I foresaw a reality check coming based on how we performed against meh competition.

Right now we're a mid tier team, we play up or down to our competition but aren't a legit contender among the NFL's elite teams. On paper we are but the product on the field says otherwise and coaching is a big part of that, especially on offense.

 

 

im worried we are going to make some bad decisions again next year. Next year has to be about building an elite Offensive line. It's about also recognising and accepting that we are not re-tooling but rebuilding. this has hurt us and its because of Flacco's status and contract that we try to convince out of sheer desperation that we are a contender because we have a 120 million dollar qb rather than admit the obvious. the moment the FO realizes that its time to rebuild and accept suckage for a few years rather than make our cap space worse by signing 30 year old +'s and not creating new talent to fill important positions.  The only reason we have been good in the past is due to our epic drafts from 1996-2007. The stars of these drafts were legit..mmmmm what happened in 2008? we got a decent QB.that was all that was needed..but since then i can say there hasn't been 1 player we have drafted that you can say..'' he's a top 5 player in this league''..think about that.since 2008 not 1 player we have drafted could be mentioned among the top 5 in his position. The only one is possibly osemele and he's gone to a better situation...same with Mcphee..yet the guys we have paid a bucketload to arent even top 15 in their position.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Sami84

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Judging our reoccurring trends we sadly get slaughtered in this game as we are playing a Manning Brother with a very good WR corps and then we go "SEE FIRING TRESTMAN DID NOTHING. WE SUCK... AHHHHH". And then we blow out the Jets afterwards...

 

 

Just going off of what happened when we fired Cam lol. I hope this doesn't happen. 

[VermontRaven]

17 hours ago, JO_75 said:

The Race for Myles Garret continues in New Yo...Jersey. I look at this game in two ways.....

We fire Trestman tomorrow, we win. If Trestman is still our OC, we are losing 3 straight.

Looks like a W then!  Hopefully this is the spark the offense needs to take off.  Commit to the run more and hit a couple of these big plays we have been just missing.  A win here could really propel the team back in an upward direction.  I'm not giving up on this Ravens team yet.  If we can go 7-4 the rest of the season, that puts us at 10-6 and a decent chance at the playoffs. 

[jboy19]

I don't see them pulling a win out in this one. The Giants match up really well against the Ravens. With the OL status up in the air and the difficulty the secondary is likely to have (Giants are underrated on the OL- so pressures gonna be difficult to bring) combined with th3 difficulty Ravens will face with getting receivers open, I'm thinking this one goes to the Giants and unfortunately Im not convinced it'll be close. 

If the Ravens want to win, theyll need to get the run game going and work the intermediate routes (Giants are weak at LB). The defense will need to bring pressure to get Eli uncomfortable and force some bad throws, while preventing ODB, Shepard and Cruz from running wild. 

[VermontRaven]

21 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I don't see them pulling a win out in this one. The Giants match up really well against the Ravens. With the OL status up in the air and the difficulty the secondary is likely to have (Giants are underrated on the OL- so pressures gonna be difficult to bring) combined with th3 difficulty Ravens will face with getting receivers open, I'm thinking this one goes to the Giants and unfortunately Im not convinced it'll be close. 

If the Ravens want to win, theyll need to get the run game going and work the intermediate routes (Giants are weak at LB). The defense will need to bring pressure to get Eli uncomfortable and force some bad throws, while preventing ODB, Shepard and Cruz from running wild. 

I wouldn't count out our secondary.  GB had a banged up secondary and they held their own last night.  As with all Ravens games this year, I see another nail-biter...hopefully we come out on top in this one.  Maybe the offense makes the game-winning play late and sparks some confidence!

[RavensPunkXVX]

This Giants game is gonna be a win. We're gonna run it down their throats. I think. I hope.

 

and Eli reminds me a bit of Flacco.

Edited October 10, 2016 by RavensPunkXVX

[berad]

I know it's not the topic of the day but when is Campanaro eligible to be re-signed?

[Sami84]

6 minutes ago, berad said:

I know it's not the topic of the day but when is Campanaro eligible to be re-signed?

he'll be on IR just from running to the phone :/

[harfordravenfan]

1 hour ago, VermontRaven said:

I wouldn't count out our secondary.  GB had a banged up secondary and they held their own last night.  As with all Ravens games this year, I see another nail-biter...hopefully we come out on top in this one.  Maybe the offense makes the game-winning play late and sparks some confidence!

Was really hoping the packers dB's would've got Odell Beckham to throw a tantrum

[Ravenseconbeast]

36 minutes ago, berad said:

I know it's not the topic of the day but when is Campanaro eligible to be re-signed?

You really believe Campabero is still a viable receiver for us?   

 

I've seen injury plagued receivers like Amebdola,  but Camp tops the scale when it comes to injuries.   He is done.. 

Edited October 10, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[berad]

Just now, Ravenseconbeast said:

You really believe Campabero is still a viable receiver for us?   

 

I've seen injury plagued receivers like Amebdola,  but Camp tops the scale when it comes to injuries.   He is done.. 

Not really but he would give us something AND he could be a returner for us, allowing us to move on from Hester. He will probably get hurt again, sure, but he'll have 'potential' for those couple of weeks lol

[PurpleCity5]

Get a damn double digit win. This team needs one badly. If you keep falling into one score games then eventually you're going to drop one. Win three straight one score games and dropped the next two one score games. It happens, one score games are 50-50 games all the time. There is no "Wins are Wins", in reality if you find yourself in that position time and time again, then you're going to drop one, and it could be against a bad team.

Edited October 10, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[Deflated Football]

We got this. Giants couldn't get any pressure whatsoever on Aaron last night. They're stacked with talent but don't know how to use it. We've been silencing superstar WR's thus far and creating turnovers. So long as we don't abandon the run and Flacco let's loose on some play action, we'll be 4-2. 

[Cillmatic]

3 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

We got this. Giants couldn't get any pressure whatsoever on Aaron last night. They're stacked with talent but don't know how to use it. We've been silencing superstar WR's thus far and creating turnovers. So long as we don't abandon the run and Flacco let's loose on some play action, we'll be 4-2. 

"We've been silencing superstar WR's thus far", yeah and making their OTHER WR's look like super stars.

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

Despite the firing of Trestman, I won't be surprised if we put up a stinker. Along the lines of 30-13 or something like that.

Marty would need at least a full week and a half to adjust. It's unrealistic to ask him and step up to the plate just like that, even though he's an experienced offensive mind.

 

[Sami84]

18 minutes ago, ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

Despite the firing of Trestman, I won't be surprised if we put up a stinker. Along the lines of 30-13 or something like that.

Marty would need at least a full week and a half to adjust. It's unrealistic to ask him and step up to the plate just like that, even though he's an experienced offensive mind.

 

 

any chance we had of squeezing into the playoffs died by not beating oakland and the redskins. the only positive is we got rid of trestman. I said the oakland and redksins game would ultimatly decide our season and im sticking to that. look at the schedule...i think it might be the toughest in the league from here on out.

[codizzle]

51 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

any chance we had of squeezing into the playoffs died by not beating oakland and the redskins. the only positive is we got rid of trestman. I said the oakland and redksins game would ultimatly decide our season and im sticking to that. look at the schedule...i think it might be the toughest in the league from here on out.

I'm glad you picked the two most important divisional games in Oakland and the redskins to decide our season 

 

smart move 

[codizzle]

If couple guys come back healthy, we will win this game 

 

Mosley/Wagner/Stanley 

Edited October 10, 2016 by codizzle

[Sami84]

3 minutes ago, codizzle said:

If couple guys come back healthy, we will win this game 

 

Mosley/Wagner/Stanley 

 

hamstrings are a 2-3 week deal so i'd count mosely out. Stanleys a while now and i think should be ready..wagner? who knows..

[Rav'n Maniac]

Not calling a sure win but, I like our chances against the Giants. They haven't been playing well lately, just like us. Offensively, we have a very slight edge in scoring and defensively, we are much better.

Our record is 4-1 against them. I feel they'll find it difficult to game plan against our offense with Marty taking over. We need to use that to our advantage and get our run game going early and often.

We need to bring pressure against Eli. He often quickly throws the ball away when under pressure and we have to show good coverage.

 

[Sami84]

18 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Not calling a sure win but, I like our chances against the Giants. They haven't been playing well lately, just like us. Offensively, we have a very slight edge in scoring and defensively, we are much better.

Our record is 4-1 against them. I feel they'll find it difficult to game plan against our offense with Marty taking over. We need to use that to our advantage and get our run game going early and often.

We need to bring pressure against Eli. He often quickly throws the ball away when under pressure and we have to show good coverage.

 

 

Za'Darius smith aint pressuring anyone..

[OUravensfan]

I give up predicting games, this team is just as volatile is ours. Just avoid 3-3 at all costs 

[Inqui]

1 hour ago, codizzle said:

I'm glad you picked the two most important divisional games in Oakland and the redskins to decide our season 

 

smart move 

Weeks four and five are where seasons are won and lost. If you pick any other two weeks to define our season, especially this early, you look like a complete moron. But weeks four and five are the litmus test for how good your team really is.

[AppStRavenfan]

I don't hate this matchup as much as some people clearly do. I'm not making a scoring prediction this week since a new OC can really go either way but if Mornhinweg can be half decent then I think we'll be monumentally better than with Trestman. As long as he doesn't make idiotic decisions like Trestman did I think we'll be good. I think we can handle the Giants offense, they are like the Redskins offense that our defense had no problem dealing with and only surrendered 9 pts too - and could have been less if our coverage team could just not be so terrible. They have no real run game, Paul Perkins doesn't strike fear in me and who knows if Jennings will be healthy, and will be relying on the pass to beat us. Sure they've got 1 better receiver than the Redskins have in Beckham but I think Garcon and Jackson are both better than Shepard at this point in their careers. I completely trust our defense to be able to hold this Giants offense as well as can be realistically asked for, maybe even better if our offense is able to give them some rest for the first time in forever - maybe then we can have any sort of pass rush.

Like I said, I'm not making any score prediction this game but whether or not we have a shot will depend entirely on how Mornhinweg does in his first game - and what a first game it will be, this Giants D can be darn good when it wants to be, solid secondary, great dline. Hopefully with Stanley back we will have an easier time holding them back, not sure if Lewis will be playing LG or RT, depends on where Wagner is right now. I think our game plan will be simple, run it early and often, then start trying to get the play action involved, along with the TEs against the Giants' weak LBs, and it's a guarantee that Mornhinweg's decision making - whether we like it or not - will be better than Trestman's. He'll make the adjustments and go with what's working at the very least, something Trestman was obviously not interested in doing. This is pretty much the same game plan as we should have had against the Redskins, and I think this game is definitely winable if we play our cards right, people are too easily calling this one, at the very least we will be fielding a team on par with the last 5 weeks and in my opinion it could only be improved with the firing of Trestman no matter how Mornhinweg does. Defense will still be very strong, offense will obviously be a wild card but baseline pretty okay, ST needs to be improved badly - that past two weeks the Raiders and Redskins' starting positions have been downright unacceptable.

[AppStRavenfan]

9 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Weeks four and five are where seasons are won and lost. If you pick any other two weeks to define our season, especially this early, you look like a complete moron. But weeks four and five are the litmus test for how good your team really is.

I'm not so sure about that, I don't think you can realistically pick a two week span and say they define an entire 16 game season, really that should be reserved for the quality of opponents rather than the timing of a couple games. And especially that can hardly be said when a major coaching change is made. But seriously I think the entire idea of defining an entire season based on 2 games is ridiculous as it is, especially during a season - in hindsight it may be fair but week to week anything can happen.

[Cillmatic]

Bench Za'darius, put Judon back in. 

[K-Dog]

I am uncertain as to how much difference Mornhinweg will make at this point in time.  I will say if no Stanley, it is going to be a difficult day, if we have Stanley I think our road to recovery starts Sunday.

[DomMcRaven]

4 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

We got this. Giants couldn't get any pressure whatsoever on Aaron last night. They're stacked with talent but don't know how to use it. We've been silencing superstar WR's thus far and creating turnovers. So long as we don't abandon the run and Flacco let's loose on some play action, we'll be 4-2. 

Knowing our luck, they'll get to Flacco early and often