Next Up: Ravens at New York Giants, MetLife Stadium 10/16/2016

[balfan23]

We wont see much of a drop-off with Doom being out, since he hasn't been himself in these past couple weeks, however, given the fact that it seems more likely that we're not going to see the old Doom back at any time this year is a major concern. Mosely out is not good - but McClellan should fill in OK. 

Its the totality of the injuries along the offensive line that may kill us (and Joe). Losing Yanda is a disaster. Its starting to look like the secondary from a couple years back, where the thinnest unit on the team to start the season is getting ravaged with injuries. 

All of that said, I'm done with injuries being an excuse for poor play. Back ups have to be better than they've been for us in recent years and coaches are going to have to do a better job of scheming to hide weaknesses. Find a way to win ... rather than the last 2 weeks where we found a way to lose - at home ... and in the case of the Skins ... against a pretty bad team. 

[DenverRaven]

2 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

We wont see much of a drop-off with Doom being out, since he hasn't been himself in these past couple weeks, however, given the fact that it seems more likely that we're not going to see the old Doom back at any time this year is a major concern. Mosely out is not good - but McClellan should fill in OK. 

Its the totality of the injuries along the offensive line that may kill us (and Joe). Losing Yanda is a disaster. Its starting to look like the secondary from a couple years back, where the thinnest unit on the team to start the season is getting ravaged with injuries. 

All of that said, I'm done with injuries being an excuse for poor play. Back ups have to be better than they've been for us in recent years and coaches are going to have to do a better job of scheming to hide weaknesses. Find a way to win ... rather than the last 2 weeks where we found a way to lose - at home ... and in the case of the Skins ... against a pretty bad team. 

Other teams are handling their losses ok. I mean, the Vikes are ... well that's an outlier, but you're absolutely right that our depth needs to step it up. Even with the 2014 secondary, we won 10 games and almost 2 playoffs games. The line is a serious issue, but if they can hold on the next two weeks, I think the bye comes at a perfect time. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

It's next 'men' up! With this many starters potentially out...it's gotta be. The upside: Giants are 'next men up' too.

[RavensPunkXVX]

Bold prediction. Perriman gets 80 yards and a score. He shows flashes. I want to see him and the offense have a complete game.

[Drew P]

5 minutes ago, RavensPunkXVX said:

Bold prediction. Perriman gets 80 yards and a score. He shows flashes. I want to see him and the offense have a complete game.

That is bold..maybe he scoops up a fumble and zips in?

[DenverRaven]

1 minute ago, Drew P said:

That is bold..maybe he scoops up a fumble and zips in?

I'm just hoping he catches the ball. Fumble or pass.

[Sami84]

27 minutes ago, Drew P said:

That is bold..maybe he scoops up a fumble and zips in?

perriman..if he is ever going to be what some people hope he is, has to make a start and sunday would be the best possible time..not the end of the season when its too late.

[RavensFan34950]

Look to see more of Levine at LB with Mosley out. Should help with pass coverage, but now im worried about our run D. Mosley is a beast against the run and McClellan sucks, so that will be missed. Also looking forward to seeing Judon back into the rotation. What's the status on Shareece Wrong? I think we would be better off with Tavon Young starting for now on. 

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, wizard1 said:

Based upon the injury report I am revising my prediction for this game which I rarely do. No way we can score 21 points and no way we can stop the NYG 3-headed monster. 31-9 Giants. If we can't score 14 points at home how can we score 10 points on the road. Injuries are killing us but it only goes to show we have no quality depth at any position. It's not about the next man up around here it's more about OMG who is the next man down.

This sounds exactly like what I said when the Ravens played the Steelers at the end of last year. Fact of the matter is, games are played on the field.

 

3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

So, Steve isn't playing and Wallace is questionable. If there has ever been an opportunity for Perriman to break out NOW is the time. 

With our offense this handicapped JPP is about to look like he has 10 fingers again.

I'd like to see both Perriman and Moore have strong games. I think that would really energize the offense to see 2 young play makers balling out along with the young RBs.

 

3 hours ago, AppStRavenfan said:

Good news is it sounds like Wagner will be able to go so we'll probably roll with the same line as last week except Jensen in Yanda's place

Wouldn't be surprised if it's Ducasse at RG. The coaches seemed to really like him during camp and preseason. He was actually running as the backup RG and filled in with the 1st team whenever Yanda was given time off. He performed well, I just think he fell victim to the numbers game and the Ravens really like the young OGs they had. If he played OT he would have made the 53 imo. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Vlad and his experience starting at RG. 

[Maryland]

16 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Look to see more of Levine at LB with Mosley out. Should help with pass coverage, but now im worried about our run D. Mosley is a beast against the run and McClellan sucks, so that will be missed. Also looking forward to seeing Judon back into the rotation. What's the status on Shareece Wrong? I think we would be better off with Tavon Young starting for now on. 

I wouldn't say McClellan sucks, just that he probably shouldn't be playing ILB unless it's on an obvious run down. I am okay with him coming in as the Sam LB for Doom/Judon on early downs though. I would rather see Levine in there next to Orr than McClellan for the most part. 

I'm thinking they go right back to using Wright as the primary #2 CB now that he's healthy, though I'd rather see Tavon Young get the nod on plays where there's only 2 corners on the field. Our secondary played better with Young on the field last week.

Would like to know what others think. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I actually hope Correa gets some snaps at ILB on obvious passing downs. He's probably not ready for an every down role, but in his limited opportunities he's made a couple big plays in coverage. 

Hes shown a knack for dropping, reading the QB and jumping routes. 

And I don't really like McClellan in coverage anyways. So a little rotation would be fine by me with McLellan playing early downs and bringing Correa in on 2nd and 3rd & longs. 

Plus he could be useful on some delayed inside gap blitzes. 

But from Harbs comments doesn't sound like he's going to be a part of the defensive game plan. 

[RavensPunkXVX]

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

That is bold..maybe he scoops up a fumble and zips in?

I just figure if he's got it then this is the game he can breakthrough. Smith is out, Wallace dealing with his rib injury. Perfect time

[Rav'n Maniac]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I actually hope Correa gets some snaps at ILB on obvious passing downs. He's probably not ready for an every down role, but in his limited opportunities he's made a couple big plays in coverage. 

Hes shown a knack for dropping, reading the QB and jumping routes. 

And I don't really like McClellan in coverage anyways. So a little rotation would be fine by me with McLellan playing early downs and bringing Correa in on 2nd and 3rd & longs. 

Plus he could be useful on some delayed inside gap blitzes. 

But from Harbs comments doesn't sound like he's going to be a part of the defensive game plan. 

Although in Pees' presser he did say that Correa had an excellent week of practice. Maybe he'll get some playing time, maybe not.

Edited October 15, 2016 by Rav'n Maniac

[GrimCoconut]

I just realized that we also lost our starting MLB back in 2012 when we won the Super Bowl.

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I just realized that we also lost our starting MLB back in 2012 when we won the Super Bowl.

Along with the fact that when we played the following game after the firing, we had a heck of a lot of injuries keeping people out.

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, balfan23 said:

We wont see much of a drop-off with Doom being out, since he hasn't been himself in these past couple weeks, however, given the fact that it seems more likely that we're not going to see the old Doom back at any time this year is a major concern. Mosely out is not good - but McClellan should fill in OK. 

Its the totality of the injuries along the offensive line that may kill us (and Joe). Losing Yanda is a disaster. Its starting to look like the secondary from a couple years back, where the thinnest unit on the team to start the season is getting ravaged with injuries. 

All of that said, I'm done with injuries being an excuse for poor play. Back ups have to be better than they've been for us in recent years and coaches are going to have to do a better job of scheming to hide weaknesses. Find a way to win ... rather than the last 2 weeks where we found a way to lose - at home ... and in the case of the Skins ... against a pretty bad team. 

If anything, drop off seems to have coincided with his inclusion on the active roster, in terms of pass rush / pressure.

Agree 100% on using injuries as an excuse - if the backups keep playing below expected standard, someone isn't doing the work, either scouting or coaches.

 

[Moderator 3]

3 hours ago, January J said:

Only showing 3 columns on my screen. Name , injury , and status-  where it just says doubtful. Maybe its BC I'm on a tablet or something? Idk I would send a screenshot but its not that important. Thanks  the help though. 

Very strange and I wonder if others are having this issue.  I'm on an iPad and see the whole thing.  Are you using the mobile version or the full featured one.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

When I think about which team has the most pressure on them, I'd have say the Giants.

• They are in the 1st year of exiting a long term head coach. We just had a OC change.
• Eli is in his 13th season (the number of seasons when Payton got traded). Joe is in his 9th and progressively growing his career QBR.
• They are home after their star player OBJ has imploded nationally.
  We're away with nearly any locker-room tension (that I've heard about).

Based on relatively equal offensive under-performances and an unquestionable statistical team defensive edge that the Ravens have heading into this game - I'd have to say we're still in good position to get this one.

The pressure has to be greater in the Giants locker-room and with the NY Media, but the urgency for both teams on the field is equal. Ravens...no pressure.

Just get this one. GO Ravens!!! 

Edited October 14, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
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[DomMcRaven]

19 hours ago, Maryland said:

They're on a 3-game losing streak; we're on a 2-game losing streak. Some crappy team has to win this game, so why not us? lol

Like @JoeyFlex5 said, the only thing that really scares me is their WR corps, but if we can get enough pressure, Eli will get rattled pretty easily, same as he did vs GB, who has an even worse secondary. If we can control the clock with a healthy TOP, I like our chances.

And that is a big IF right there. Hopefully Judon can help this problem because Doom hasn't done much (or really anything for that matter).

[RayRayRaven]

43 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

And that is a big IF right there. Hopefully Judon can help this problem because Doom hasn't done much (or really anything for that matter).

The giants are pure crap. They are exactly what we need to get back on track after a major change and little time to regroup.  The n.y. giants were made for us to get back in the saddle again.  Our rush disappeared last week and judon was out right?

[Ravensfan23]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I actually hope Correa gets some snaps at ILB on obvious passing downs. He's probably not ready for an every down role, but in his limited opportunities he's made a couple big plays in coverage. 

Hes shown a knack for dropping, reading the QB and jumping routes. 

And I don't really like McClellan in coverage anyways. So a little rotation would be fine by me with McLellan playing early downs and bringing Correa in on 2nd and 3rd & longs. 

Plus he could be useful on some delayed inside gap blitzes. 

But from Harbs comments doesn't sound like he's going to be a part of the defensive game plan. 

I think he will be apart of the game plan and I think he'll play a lot. The coaches put way too much on KC early on and it really tamed him. He was doing way more thinking than reaction. Now they are only asking him to learn the ILB position and force on getting better on ST. I think he's gonna play and play well. Don't be surprised to see him get his hands on the ball at some point in this game. 

[PurpleCity5]

With the guys we have out for this game, if we pull out the win it will be huge. 

[Maryland]

2 hours ago, DomMcRaven said:

And that is a big IF right there. Hopefully Judon can help this problem because Doom hasn't done much (or really anything for that matter).

It'll come down to which is worse: their OL or our pass rush lol. Both have been underwhelming. 

[January J]

10 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

Very strange and I wonder if others are having this issue.  I'm on an iPad and see the whole thing.  Are you using the mobile version or the full featured one.

im on an amazon fire. Using the full version.

** Nvm I see it now. I was on the mobile version and didn't even realize it. Once going to full I see the full page with all columns. My mistake.

Edited October 15, 2016 by January J

[JoeyFlex5]

8 hours ago, DomMcRaven said:

And that is a big IF right there. Hopefully Judon can help this problem because Doom hasn't done much (or really anything for that matter).

judon, in his time on the active roster, was easily the best edge rusher we had, and without a doubt played better than doom played in his time so far this year.. like, its really not a question lol. judon played very well and played with savvy too, i was very impressed on his heads-up play ability like having a clear path to the qb but breaking off early to cover a screen before the qb even pulled back to throw, and he made the right call. hes brought better pass rush and he very well could bring better ability everywhere else. doom is just a shell of himself right now. 

also, ereck flowers and whoever the hell they have at RT looks almost as bad as our OL.

[Edgar]

15 hours ago, balfan23 said:

We wont see much of a drop-off with Doom being out, since he hasn't been himself in these past couple weeks, however, given the fact that it seems more likely that we're not going to see the old Doom back at any time this year is a major concern. Mosely out is not good - but McClellan should fill in OK. 

Its the totality of the injuries along the offensive line that may kill us (and Joe). Losing Yanda is a disaster. Its starting to look like the secondary from a couple years back, where the thinnest unit on the team to start the season is getting ravaged with injuries. 

All of that said, I'm done with injuries being an excuse for poor play. Back ups have to be better than they've been for us in recent years and coaches are going to have to do a better job of scheming to hide weaknesses. Find a way to win ... rather than the last 2 weeks where we found a way to lose - at home ... and in the case of the Skins ... against a pretty bad team. 

Not sure where Urschel plays tomorrow but his best position is right guard. Not suggesting he's Yanda by any means but I think if he fills in we will be OK.

I don't like the idea of McClellan starting one bit. 

 

[Cillmatic]

Win or lose, if SOMEONE, such as Judon, Perriman or Moore, steps up and shows that they can be good this game will have been worth it. Best case scenario, Perriman and Moore ball out and show that they are the future and Judon gets two sacks and a lot of QB pressures, thus overtaking Za'darius Smith.

[Rav'n Maniac]

3 hours ago, Edgar said:

Not sure where Urschel plays tomorrow but his best position is right guard. Not suggesting he's Yanda by any means but I think if he fills in we will be OK.

I don't like the idea of McClellan starting one bit. 

 

I don't know on Urschel. He really didn't play great last week. To be honest, if we are to run the ball more, I think I'd rather have Jensen and Ducasse at the guard positions. I feel they are both better run blockers, Urschel just doesn't seem to have the strength for it and he really isn't that much better in pass pro.

[jboy19]

25 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I don't know on Urschel. He really didn't play great last week. To be honest, if we are to run the ball more, I think I'd rather have Jensen and Ducasse at the guard positions. I feel they are both better run blockers, Urschel just doesn't seem to have the strength for it and he really isn't that much better in pass pro.

Waiving Turner is leading me to believe Wagner is good to go. 

So I think the line goes Lewis-Urschel-Zuttah-Ducasse-Wagner. 

Edited October 15, 2016 by jboy19

[January J]

5 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Waiving Turner is leading me to believe either Yanda or Wagner will be back and that Stanley is good to go. 

Yep. Atleast one of them will be good to go- if not both.