The Good, Bad and Ugly vent thread week 5

[DR32]

Trestman is terrible and has been for a long time.  I don't excuse Harbaugh for his role in this disaster.  Every week it's the same "play not to lose" mentality. The fake FG wasn't aggressive it was just STUPID. It's a new NFL and trying to hang on to a one score lead isn't putting pressure on other teams.

No one fears this team in any phase. I give credit to Pees, but as well as our defense has played at times, we don't scare anyone.  

If Mosley misses significant time be prepared to see the train wreck. 

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

It's obvious he's trying to cover for Trestman's ineptness publicly. There is stuff that can't be tolerated though - this crap is going on since last year, with various excuses (Kubiak's playbook, bad O line, Flacco's injury, etc)

John better take control because he won't be tolerated for much longer either.

Even if he's trying to cover for Trestman, that's a ridiculous thing to say. You can easily just own up to it and say "Yeah, we were playing from behind and we felt a sense of urgency to pass it", it would have been a B.S excuse but that's better than what he said. What Harbaugh said made it seem like West didn't do anything at all. If West took a dig at that comment, I wouldn't even be upset with him at all. He deserves to be upset with what Harbaugh said. His comment that he doesn't call the plays were just the icing on the cake to what the players are thinking right now. As for Harbaugh, To say that you didn't run the ball because you weren't getting first downs sounds pretty disrespectful to what West did today. He played his heart out. Zrebiec pointed out the obvious facts when it came to the run game. Doesn't match up with what Harbaugh said at all, not even close. 

[callahan09]

Five games in, and Flacco has two 4th quarter game winning drives already.  He actually had them at THREE weeks in.  And in week 4, he had one more but it was negated by the defense giving it right back up, and then he almost had ANOTHER, but the receiver(s) dropped the ball.  This week, he almost had yet another, but AGAIN, the receiver(s) dropped the ball (or didn't get their feet in bounds).  In addition, his completion percentage is the highest of his career, and his INT percentage is the lowest of his career.  All while the play calling of Marc Trestman is hand-cuffing us by taking the running game out of the equation.  Either we're getting a failing run game, or we're playing with an empty backfield for most of the game and so the defense is able to tee off on us in the throwing game, while receivers drop key passes and the offensive line is doing a really bad job (in fairness, the line was starting a lot of rookies to begin the season, and is now suffering a lot of shuffling around due to injuries).  And yet, one of the things I'm seeing the most of on this board and others and across the internet from Ravens fans, is that Flacco is a problem on this team, and that he isn't good enough?  Give us all a break.  That is some grossly inaccurate assessment of how Flacco has been performing this year given what those around him are doing, from the pass protection, to the receiver play, to (lack of) playmaking after the catch, to the play designs & play calling.  I think Flacco has been pretty accurate and making good decisions given the situation he's playing in, but it's not doing a load of good when the whole system is collapsing around him with everybody making catastrophic errors at key times all game long.

Edited October 10, 2016 by callahan09

[Purple Punishment]

Gave up on the Run game for no good reason. West was pounding the ever loving crap out of the Rock and we just quit

[Tornado700]

Did anyone notice the smile on the face of our 20 million dollar man right after our last 4th down effort and when we knew that we had lost? A smile? A grin?

As a PSL holder since 1996, I for one, didn't appreciate it. Perhaps it;s time we start looking in the next draft for his eventual replacement. Joe is the undisputed leader of this offense and so far it;s been a dismal failure.

[AsianRice]

1 minute ago, Tornado700 said:

Did anyone notice the smile on the face of our 20 million dollar man right after our last 4th down effort and when we knew that we had lost? A smile? A grin?

As a PSL holder since 1996, I for one, didn't appreciate it. Perhaps it;s time we start looking in the next draft for his eventual replacement. Joe is the undisputed leader of this offense and so far it;s been a dismal failure.

May be he smiled that he has a joked OC.....

[rlh445]

16 minutes ago, Tornado700 said:

Did anyone notice the smile on the face of our 20 million dollar man right after our last 4th down effort and when we knew that we had lost? A smile? A grin?

As a PSL holder since 1996, I for one, didn't appreciate it. Perhaps it;s time we start looking in the next draft for his eventual replacement. Joe is the undisputed leader of this offense and so far it;s been a dismal failure.

In the face of such a defeat, what else can a man (or woman) do but smile?  For him, it was a bad day at the office.  He's probably already focused on next week.  Joe certainly has duck feathers.

[Red723]

Josh McDaniels would be a great Trestman replacement. I can't think of anyone better that's available.

[Maryland]

Just about everything bad there is to say about Trestman, Harb's fake field goal, Perriman's drops, the OL, Mosley's touchback, and Jimmy getting beat all day has been said.

However, I have to say the clock management was pretty bad. Harbaugh's emotional timeout after the Mosley touchback should never have been called. The timeout with the clock stopped at :20 was utterly moronic. And the offense had no urgency getting into formation with ~1 min left (took 12 seconds to hike the ball after the previous play was over before the final set of downs). Horrible clock management. You'd think a team designed to win every game on the final drive would be better at running a 2-min offense. 

[Maryland]

Also, a couple questions I have:

1) How did Wagner get hurt? What was his injury?

2) Who lined up primarily as the outside CB opposite of Jimmy? Tavon Young? 

[Tank 92]

5 hours ago, Tornado700 said:

Did anyone notice the smile on the face of our 20 million dollar man right after our last 4th down effort and when we knew that we had lost? A smile? A grin?

As a PSL holder since 1996, I for one, didn't appreciate it. Perhaps it;s time we start looking in the next draft for his eventual replacement. Joe is the undisputed leader of this offense and so far it;s been a dismal failure.

If he was smiling or grinning do you think it was because he thought it was funny, or that he was happy? 'Cmon man, you've got to be kidding. 

[kakatakoi]

Our team could Easily be 5 and 0 right? Let's be serious and real here...We could just as Easy be 0 and 5.  The only reason we are stay in games and have a chance to score is our Defense and that's why Mosley tried to score off the Int and not just simply down the ball and give it to the offense. There is no faith in Trestman's "Look at how smart I am by trying to do what you're not expecting including throwing to cookie-jar hands Wallace until something sticks mentality" offense. Not going for the field was, as a previous post read "Stupid" not aggressive or savvy...that field goal could have at Least put us in the position to tie and go to overtime. Placing Blame on Special Teams was a pathetic excuse by the way. 

[Sami84]

3 minutes ago, kakatakoi said:

Our team could Easily be 5 and 0 right? Let's be serious and real here...We could just as Easy be 0 and 5.  The only reason we are stay in games and have a chance to score is our Defense and that's why Mosley tried to score off the Int and not just simply down the ball and give it to the offense. There is no faith in Trestman's "Look at how smart I am by trying to do what you're not expecting including throwing to cookie-jar hands Wallace until something sticks mentality" offense. Not going for the field was, as a previous post read "Stupid" not aggressive or savvy...that field goal could have at Least put us in the position to tie and go to overtime. Placing Blame on Special Teams was a pathetic excuse by the way. 

 

yup..for me, point differential means a lot..esp against poor teams..and outside of the raiders we have faced the lesser teams in this league. heck the redskins were down 4 starters on D vs us too.

 

trestman has to go..problem is i dont think harbs is going to do anything until the end of the season. We need Josh McDaniels and a good draft and FA based on the O line. The O line is the most important aspect of football..when the O line plays well even average QBs like flacco can look good. 

[kakatakoi]

Trestman you are embarrassing the Ravens just like you did to Chicago and the way you are doing it is Subversive. If you don't know what that means it means you are destroying the morale of the team.  Did you see the players faces???  They were absolutely mortified and looked dazed and Hopeless. I don't know what its going to take but John needs to find his resolve and take a page out of the Bills playbook and fire the OC he's nothing more than a parasitic load on the team's morale.  Just the mere sight of him bolsters confidence in our opponents, HOW is he not being told to render his resignation at this point?  John, you should place the blame where it is due...this game was lost because of management's incomprehensible, inexcusable decisions and it is Not an isolated incident.   

[Cillmatic]

All coaches have that moment when they just get out of touch with the reality of the game, happens to even the great ones. This might be Harbaugh's time.

[kakatakoi]

Fans Booing at a home game when their team has a winning record...that pretty much sums it up. Get Trestman off the payroll and as an incentive, pass the hat around the locker room and offer to move him back to where ever he wants to retire and watch the money pile up like a 90s hedge fund.   

[808Blackbirds]

If they do fire trestman mid season, who can they sign for OC? Seems like Trestman is just scheming for flacco to break 4K yards this year. It will probably happen but they won't win a lot of games . I think flacco is leading the league in pass attempt averaging 5.9 .Something needs to change .

[Sami84]

39 minutes ago, kakatakoi said:

Fans Booing at a home game when their team has a winning record...that pretty much sums it up. Get Trestman off the payroll and as an incentive, pass the hat around the locker room and offer to move him back to where ever he wants to retire and watch the money pile up like a 90s hedge fund.   

 

btw i think the fans are being too nice. I want serious boo's ( see the eagles when they had a few bad seasons)

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, 808Blackbirds said:

If they do fire trestman mid season, who can they sign for OC? Seems like Trestman is just scheming for flacco to break 4K yards this year. It will probably happen but they won't win a lot of games . I think flacco is leading the league in pass attempt averaging 5.9 .Something needs to change .

It would have to be internal - likely Morninwheg - since he's the only other guy with experience calling plays in the NFL.

[berad]

This game was a frustrating let down. Our OL got beat by a plainly bad Redskins pass rush and we stopped running the ball for some strange reason.

[January J]

If were going to abandon the run ATLEAST throw the damn ball downfeild and stop with the dink and dunk mess. As soon as Steve went down I knew we were in for trouble. Its crazy how after such a strong drive to Just completely stall out like that. 8.6 yards per carry for west and you barely let him touch the ball in the second half? I've gave him the benefit of the doubt for far too long- trestmans gotta go. And as much as I hate to say it BC mosley has played his butt off for us- if he had just held onto the ball with Two hands we'd be 4-1 right now. That was a 10 point swing and a complete momentum shifter. Redskins are thanking their lucky stars we self imploded. And STILL almost stole the win if perriman just drags his damn foot. I'm just like joe- didn't even get excited BC I know how our luck goes. Came up short yet again literally inches from victory. I look around seeing the Bengals getting whooped and the steelers getting shut out the other week and don't know whether to take comfort in the fact we always are in the game or be pissed that we can never win distinctively...bc atleast those teams know how to do that every now  and then. Two home losses in a row against teams with defenses like  that is unacceptable. I think we can kiss the wildcard spot goodbye.. Are only hope is sweeping the Bengals and Steelers.. And unless a change is made at OC there's a better chance that the Browns win out.

 

[Sami84]

Perriman has been worse than torrey smith on a bad day. I told everyone when we drafted him you're going to regret it as he'll miss gimmes and make mistake after mistake after mistake. Everyone here is like naaah man hes already better than torrey..bigger, faster..wins 50/50's doesnt body catch etc

perriman is a prime example of bad drafting and being obsessed with 40 times and physical traits.

 

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, Maryland said:

Also, a couple questions I have:

1) How did Wagner get hurt? What was his injury?

2) Who lined up primarily as the outside CB opposite of Jimmy? Tavon Young? 

Apparently on the last play of the second half when Joe was sacked. No idea on the injury.

Sheldon Price and Tavon Young seemed to switch out, but Price got the start. Young played all his snaps outside.

[January J]

10 hours ago, callahan09 said:

Five games in, and Flacco has two 4th quarter game winning drives already.  He actually had them at THREE weeks in.  And in week 4, he had one more but it was negated by the defense giving it right back up, and then he almost had ANOTHER, but the receiver(s) dropped the ball.  This week, he almost had yet another, but AGAIN, the receiver(s) dropped the ball (or didn't get their feet in bounds).  In addition, his completion percentage is the highest of his career, and his INT percentage is the lowest of his career.  All while the play calling of Marc Trestman is hand-cuffing us by taking the running game out of the equation.  Either we're getting a failing run game, or we're playing with an empty backfield for most of the game and so the defense is able to tee off on us in the throwing game, while receivers drop key passes and the offensive line is doing a really bad job (in fairness, the line was starting a lot of rookies to begin the season, and is now suffering a lot of shuffling around due to injuries).  And yet, one of the things I'm seeing the most of on this board and others and across the internet from Ravens fans, is that Flacco is a problem on this team, and that he isn't good enough?  Give us all a break.  That is some grossly inaccurate assessment of how Flacco has been performing this year given what those around him are doing, from the pass protection, to the receiver play, to (lack of) playmaking after the catch, to the play designs & play calling.  I think Flacco has been pretty accurate and making good decisions given the situation he's playing in, but it's not doing a load of good when the whole system is collapsing around him with everybody making catastrophic errors at key times all game long.

Joe ALWAYS puts us in position to win one way or the other. Always.  And most of the time his receivers let him down. As soon as sss went down I knew we were in trouble. If he misses an extended period of time were screwed. Let's just pray its not serious.

5 hours ago, Maryland said:

Also, a couple questions I have:

1) How did Wagner get hurt? What was his injury?

2) Who lined up primarily as the outside CB opposite of Jimmy? Tavon Young? 

1)Don't know the specifics other than he got rolled up on after we decide to run a completely pointless play at the end of the half instead of kneeling the ball. Lucky it wasn't flacco after the sack he took. Just add that to the list of moronic decisions made by the coaching staff. I honestly think the majority of posters on here could have called a smarter game than that. Its just downright embarrassing to be a raven fan right now. Now I gotta hear all my redskin fan friends and family gloat all week over a game we should have easily won. 

2) yes it was tavon. Did a damn good job too. He has played his butt off all year. 

Another question, where the heck is doom? I know he's got some rust to knock off but I haven't seen him make one play! And we make judon inactive again!? Wake up fellas!!

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Apparently on the last play of the second half when Joe was sacked. No idea on the injury.

Sheldon Price and Tavon Young seemed to switch out, but Price got the start. Young played all his snaps outside.

Sheldon Price got the start, but left the game at some point in the first half with an injury.  At that point, Young started getting the full run on the outside, and played well to boot.

[BmoreBird22]

The ugly is the fan reactions to players.

Perriman makes a pretty difficult catch, but fails to get a second foot inbounds (barely out) and fans go nuts and love the hell out of him, until it gets overturned and everyone hates on him.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Sheldon Price got the start, but left the game at some point in the first half with an injury.  At that point, Young started getting the full run on the outside, and played well to boot.

I noticed he got beat deep a couple times, but had some lucky overthrows.

[rmw10]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I noticed he got beat deep a couple times, but had some lucky overthrows.

Yeah, which I kind of expected with him.  I still think he's more of a slot type of guy, but still played well considering.  I wouldn't run him as an outside CB full time, but it's nice to know we have that flexibility if we need it.  Overall though, I thought it was a good performance by him, even with those lucky breaks.

[redrum52]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The ugly is the fan reactions to players.

Perriman makes a pretty difficult catch, but fails to get a second foot inbounds (barely out) and fans go nuts and love the hell out of him, until it gets overturned and everyone hates on him.

The Perriman hate is unreal to me.  He a essentially a first year wr.

 

The good: Trestman's gone.  Heard he's a great buy but that crap won't win you football games.  

[Tank 92]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The ugly is the fan reactions to players.

Perriman makes a pretty difficult catch, but fails to get a second foot inbounds (barely out) and fans go nuts and love the hell out of him, until it gets overturned and everyone hates on him.

I'm not hating on him, but it was a simple toe tap that any pro WR should do every time they are falling out of bounds. He has skills, but is still making the stupid mistakes.