The Good, Bad and Ugly vent thread week 5

[TheRavenouseD2008]

West seemed to echo our complaints .... trestman  gave up on the run game with the injuries ...... the sign of a man who is panicked by change .... not a sign of some one who is nfl material.

[jazz1988]

24 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

so you wanna pay a nice big piece of the salary cap to a run stopping NT when we have an extremely cheap run stopping NT who actually seems to bring better pass rush? 

ill pass. 

I haven't seen Pierce make  a play on the field with out Brandon Williams in the mix. Other than preseason where have you seen this guy dominate as a run defender at the same level as Brandon Williams? I"m not knocking his potential but where was his pass rushing ability today ? . I seen Brandon Williams make plays and occupy blocks but where was Micheal Pierce ? Brandon Williams had 2 sacks last year  and had 12 quarterback hurries but for some reason Micheal Pierce is consider to be a better pass rusher after just having one sack three games ago?

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

I would like to see both guys grow together. I think they can plug the middle for years to come. If the price is not right then find another guy in the draft.

the price will not be right because he will test the market because he has no reason not to, and other teams who are desperate to stop the run will pay him market value, which will be far more than the ravens would or should pay him. his skillset is only of value to teams who bleed rushing yards up the middle(like the skins). 

also, in a base 3-4 you dont use 2 NTs. and in our 4-3 or 4-down sets we typically want a more explosive and thinner 2nd DT than williams, for the sake of penetration. there wouldnt be a whole lot of scenarios where the 2 are on the field together.

[GhostofGrbac]

Anyone else notice on the fake FG that Tucker lined up to kick with his left foot? They gave away the fake before the ball was even snapped. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I haven't seen Pierce make  a play on the field with out Brandon Williams in the mix. Other than preseason where have you seen this guy dominate as a run defender at the same level as Brandon Williams? I"m not knocking his potential but where was his pass rushing ability today ? . I seen Brandon Williams make plays and occupy blocks but where was Micheal Pierce ? Brandon Williams had 2 sacks last year  and had 12 quarterback hurries but for some reason Micheal Pierce is consider to be a better pass rusher after just having one sack three games ago?

shows better potential as a pass rusher. 

we are in no need to overpay run stuffers, period. even if pierce wasnt on the team id say the same thing.

[Number23]

Not to derail the current conversations, but does anyone think Harbaugh might actually fire Trestman mid-season? Of course I'm not any sort of historian but I don't remember Harbaugh doing that in recent history, but having said that I can't imagine how he'll defend Trestman now. I think that fake kick was a stupid call, but I'm also starting to think that Harbaugh made such an aggressive (read: bad) call on offense was to try and jump start a unit that's just not working, and that's on the OC.

[PurpleCorsair]

1 minute ago, Number23 said:

Not to derail the current conversations, but does anyone think Harbaugh might actually fire Trestman mid-season? Of course I'm not any sort of historian but I don't remember Harbaugh doing that in recent history, but having said that I can't imagine how he'll defend Trestman now. I think that fake kick was a stupid call, but I'm also starting to think that Harbaugh made such an aggressive (read: bad) call on offense was to try and jump start a unit that's just not working, and that's on the OC.

In 2012 we fired Cam Cameron after a simillarly heartbreaking loss to Washington.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

1 minute ago, Number23 said:

Not to derail the current conversations, but does anyone think Harbaugh might actually fire Trestman mid-season? Of course I'm not any sort of historian but I don't remember Harbaugh doing that in recent history, but having said that I can't imagine how he'll defend Trestman now. I think that fake kick was a stupid call, but I'm also starting to think that Harbaugh made such an aggressive (read: bad) call on offense was to try and jump start a unit that's just not working, and that's on the OC.

read some rumors going around about it might come as early as tomorrow

[garfield207]

1 minute ago, Number23 said:

Not to derail the current conversations, but does anyone think Harbaugh might actually fire Trestman mid-season? Of course I'm not any sort of historian but I don't remember Harbaugh doing that in recent history, but having said that I can't imagine how he'll defend Trestman now. I think that fake kick was a stupid call, but I'm also starting to think that Harbaugh made such an aggressive (read: bad) call on offense was to try and jump start a unit that's just not working, and that's on the OC.

That doesn't make sense.  If offense is not firing, and its early in the game, and your team is leading, you take the points.

[Tank 92]

3 hours ago, DefensiveMind said:

To the guy hating on Perriman...I guarantee you if Perriman was put in that steelers offense he would be killing it. The steelers do this crazy thing called throwing it more than 5 yds. I have never seen anything like it with my own eyes but apparently it can be done.

Trying to make any sense out of what you are saying here. He had two great chances today to make game changing plays and blew them both. Not saying he won't improve, but how would the steeler's offense help him to not allow a pass float through his hands or have the presence of mind to get his feet down in bounds? 

Edited October 10, 2016 by Tank 92

[jazz1988]

4 minutes ago, Number23 said:

Not to derail the current conversations, but does anyone think Harbaugh might actually fire Trestman mid-season? Of course I'm not any sort of historian but I don't remember Harbaugh doing that in recent history, but having said that I can't imagine how he'll defend Trestman now. I think that fake kick was a stupid call, but I'm also starting to think that Harbaugh made such an aggressive (read: bad) call on offense was to try and jump start a unit that's just not working, and that's on the OC.

 

I can see it happening since Trestman doesn't have any prior relationship with John Harbaugh . They never worked together before  in the past but I honestly not sure if it's best to fire Trestman . I think he's a good offensive coordinator but just needs call more run plays.

[Gerry M]

Why are we continually throwing passes behind the line of scrimmage? No wonder Joe is frustrated. Even when he hits Perriman in the hands he drops it. The knock on him coming out of college about not being able to catch is sure looking like the truth. He is adding as much to the offense this year as he did last year. 

[RavensFanMania]

33 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

Anyone else notice on the fake FG that Tucker lined up to kick with his left foot? They gave away the fake before the ball was even snapped. 

Yes, I noticed immediately 

[RavensFanMania]

bad: trestman

worse: trestman

 

[Tank 92]

As bad as the play calling was we still had chances to be in control of the game, but poor execution again derailed efforts. The two Perriman gaffs and CJ's inexplicable bone headed fumble alone could account for 21 points. We pretty much just handed the game on a platter to the skins.

Fake FG was a head scratcher and oh that horrible kick coverage. What the heck is going on there? 

  

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

bad: trestman

worse: trestman

 

the worst: ?

[RavensFanMania]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

the worst: ?

Thank you,

 

[Ncravenfan1]

With the potential ability west is showing how can this offense ever do anything with marc as the offensive coordinator. How can you abandon the run game for 3 quarters when your back is the only thing moving the chains. In sorry but until we get a new offensive coordinator that doesn't pass 80% of the time Joe Flacco and this offense will go nowhere. The ravens should of knew this from his track record. We need to feed west or pack up and get used to competing with the browns. 

[PurpleCity5]

Good: West was killing it before he got benched(Yes, I know). 

Bad: Play-Calling was awful. Just awful. 

[Dusny96]

Marc Trestman sucks 

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, TheRavenouseD2008 said:

West seemed to echo our complaints .... trestman  gave up on the run game with the injuries ...... the sign of a man who is panicked by change .... not a sign of some one who is nfl material.

I don't blame him. He should be pissed after today. He could have had a huge game. Like a 130+ game but he didn't get the opportunity to do so. That, plus Harbaugh comment about him getting away from the run because they weren't getting first downs. There's just so much wrong with that statement. I have never been so thrown off by a comment by Harbaugh like that, just a questionable thing to say. 

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't blame him. He should be pissed after today. He could have had a huge game. Like a 130+ game but he didn't get the opportunity to do so. That, plus Harbaugh comment about him getting away from the run because they weren't getting first downs. There's just so much wrong with that statement. I have never been so thrown off by a comment by Harbaugh like that, just a questionable thing to say. 

It's obvious he's trying to cover for Trestman's ineptness publicly. There is stuff that can't be tolerated though - this crap is going on since last year, with various excuses (Kubiak's playbook, bad O line, Flacco's injury, etc)

John better take control because he won't be tolerated for much longer either.

[SuggsBarber]

3 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Should be 5-0. Snatched defeat from the clutches of victory for 2 straight weeks. Fire Trestman, 10 points with the talent we have on offense is an absolute joke. You give this unit to a McDaniels or Kubiak they're putting up 25+ points a game no problem. 

This is the most talent we've likely ever had on that side of the ball and the product on the field is laughable.

Obviously the refs blew the PI on Aiken but the fact that we needed a call to go our way to potentially beat Washington is on us.

Dude,even in my purple glasses I don't see any p.i.call on the throw to Aikens in the waning seconds.We have to face it;our qb has reached his peak.He can't create plays or momentum.

[Tank 92]

19 minutes ago, SuggsBarber said:

Dude,even in my purple glasses I don't see any p.i.call on the throw to Aikens in the waning seconds.We have to face it;our qb has reached his peak.He can't create plays or momentum.

Lol.....who made the throws that got them down the field in position to win? Who threw the perfect game winning pass only to have his receiver not get his feet down in bounds? Play calling is what killed momentum and creativity, not the QB's level of play.

 Flacco may not be the best QB in the NFL, but the blind criticisms are ridiculous. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

the price will not be right because he will test the market because he has no reason not to, and other teams who are desperate to stop the run will pay him market value, which will be far more than the ravens would or should pay him. his skillset is only of value to teams who bleed rushing yards up the middle(like the skins). 

also, in a base 3-4 you dont use 2 NTs. and in our 4-3 or 4-down sets we typically want a more explosive and thinner 2nd DT than williams, for the sake of penetration. there wouldnt be a whole lot of scenarios where the 2 are on the field together.

I can respect that and thats why I said if the price is right.

[kakatakoi]

Marc Trestman has Got To Go.  He's soft, he tries too hard to be cerebral and consistently doesn't use what's working. He's also very soft and just honestly doesn't belong in the NFL.  Seriously look at what he did in Chicago, listen to some of his old interviews..."are you going to bring victories and a tradition of winning to Chicago?  Marc T...Weeeeeel I don't know about that but every day will be good and joyous" John please do your job and get this geek off the field that belongs to men before someone above your level cans you for not doing your job. Show Mike Wallace the door while you're at it and save some money on the salary cap and frustration from all his drops...Garbage!

[FoxRox75]

I haven't posted in so long! Anyway - yes, there's no doubt, Marc Trestman NEEDS to be fired. The sooner, the better. These last two losses were extremely disappointing; both should have been wins for sure, had we played just marginally better. At least we have the Giants and Jets next on our plate; if we can manage to win those two games, the season won't be lost quite yet. But it is dangerously close considering how hard our schedule gets later on.

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, FoxRox75 said:

I haven't posted in so long! Anyway - yes, there's no doubt, Marc Trestman NEEDS to be fired. The sooner, the better. These last two losses were extremely disappointing; both should have been wins for sure, had we played just marginally better. At least we have the Giants and Jets next on our plate; if we can manage to win those two games, the season won't be lost quite yet. But it is dangerously close considering how hard our schedule gets later on.

I highly doubt that would be high on his list of needs

[darklight1216]

This game made Baltimore look like a team that might miss the playoffs. If that occurs, they will have been to the postseason only once in four years. 

They haven't had numbers that bad since the nineties.

[Swijjy]

I don't know why I am still a ravens Fan they just lead to heart break and they just annoy me like crazy.