[News] 5 Things To Watch vs. Washington Redskins

[Purple Dawg 96]

  11 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

I'm watching Joe Flacco because you can't keep blaming the O line and Trestman for every bad pass! All the Ravens needed was a first down!

how about the receivers for dropping the ball?

That also but Joe needs to step up! I'm not alone on this issue but let's watch what he does today with ball location moving the pocket and leadership! There is no wall of china in the NFL QBs adapt and make things happen not excuses! I had Joe's back since day one but he isn't cutting it anymore and it mite be time for a change! Oops that's not allowed but blaming everyone and their momma is! Smh we will see today! LETS GO!

[law215]

  2 hours ago, law215 said:

My 5 things to watch are all about Joe Flacco. For years I’ve been a Flacco apologist. It’s the coach, it’s the line, its receivers, the running game etc.
Now he has a HOF receiver in Smith Sr., his security blanket in Pitta, 2 receivers with speed in Wallace and Perriman, solid RBs, and 2 other 6’ 5 TEs.

So far this season, Joe has faced defenses near the bottom of league and is throwing over 30 times every game and the offense still is looks inconsistent drive to drive, half to half, game to game.

If Joe had an all pro LT, all pro RB, all pro Wr, all pro TE, then Ravens would not be able to pay him the money he gets.
1. Will Joe throw accurately today?
2. Does he protect the football?
3. Is his play consistent all 4 quarters?
4. Is he making adjustments at the line?
5. Joe’s production. He facing a defense that gives up the run and pass. Can he be ‘the guy’ that gets the offense going?

If yes to these questions, the Ravens will not only beat the Skins, but are a playoff team.

Redskins have a good offense so the defense may struggle today. Joe is getting paid more than anyone on the field (on both teams).

He needs to be the guy that is the reasons Ravens win, instead of a guy that needs the best of everything around him to win. No more excuses!

lets look at your issue in just a little more detail;

First i believe that you are missing the most glaring stat- that receivers, TE and RB- MUST catch the ball- SSr, Wallace, Aiken, Perriman, Williams, Forsett, Gilmore, Moore and West have ALL dropped passes that were right in their hands. Unacceptable! ( in fact the reason we lost the game sunday was simply because of dropped passes during the past drive) Though Joe would not throw anyone under the bus.

17 drops ( not misses) is embarrassing for an offense, Quite honestly until they start catching the ball, I will not criticize Joe.

Joe Flacco cannot throw and catch the passes.

Joe doesn't make the play calls, he can adjust the call at the line if he has the proper personnel. O line played very below average last game.

So far the ravens have out scored and gained more yards than their opponents this is a direct reflection on Joe, certainly you cannot attribute it to a running game

If a defense allows 3rd down and 19, 16, 12, 8 and 7 you can expect that points will be scored by the opponent

Yeah I been there with the dropped passes excuses and play calling. The elite QBs, pro bowl QB still get it done. Listen, he threw the ball 52 times last week, 45 times the week before that. I think it's a wash. How many times is he throwing too high or behind receivers without touch. They also catch his poorly thrown balls. It's just another excuse. I get it. I've been there. But watch the game. If receiver dropped 5 balls, what bout there other 35 attempts?

[law215]

A QB is only as good as the O-line. Bradshaw was a mediocre QB with the best O-Line in football. No coincidence about the rings.

Bradshaw Mediocre? He is in the Hall of fame with 4 rings and SB MVP right? Another difference is the Steel Curtain and HOF Wrs he had.

In today's Cap driven NFL, you can't keep all of your good players. Therefore GMs pick who they want to keep, pay , and build the team around.

In the case of the Ravens, it's Joe. First round Wr, 1st round LT, they extend Yanda, hold onto Pitta depite injuried fro 2 years, bring in free agents TE and Wrs every season. OZ is giving Joe all he can afford. I like Joe, but he needs to step up.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

12 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

I'm watching Joe Flacco because you can't keep blaming the O line and Trestman for every bad pass! All the Ravens needed was a first down!

Very true.. Joe had thrown a few erratic passes but the last one to Aiken hit him between the 1's thats all on Aiken....

[bigcatfrank1]

  1 hour ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

  3 hours ago, law215 said:

My 5 things to watch are all about Joe Flacco. For years I’ve been a Flacco apologist. It’s the coach, it’s the line, its receivers, the running game etc.
Now he has a HOF receiver in Smith Sr., his security blanket in Pitta, 2 receivers with speed in Wallace and Perriman, solid RBs, and 2 other 6’ 5 TEs.

So far this season, Joe has faced defenses near the bottom of league and is throwing over 30 times every game and the offense still is looks inconsistent drive to drive, half to half, game to game.

If Joe had an all pro LT, all pro RB, all pro Wr, all pro TE, then Ravens would not be able to pay him the money he gets.
1. Will Joe throw accurately today?
2. Does he protect the football?
3. Is his play consistent all 4 quarters?
4. Is he making adjustments at the line?
5. Joe’s production. He facing a defense that gives up the run and pass. Can he be ‘the guy’ that gets the offense going?

If yes to these questions, the Ravens will not only beat the Skins, but are a playoff team.

Redskins have a good offense so the defense may struggle today. Joe is getting paid more than anyone on the field (on both teams).

He needs to be the guy that is the reasons Ravens win, instead of a guy that needs the best of everything around him to win. No more excuses!

lets look at your issue in just a little more detail;

First i believe that you are missing the most glaring stat- that receivers, TE and RB- MUST catch the ball- SSr, Wallace, Aiken, Perriman, Williams, Forsett, Gilmore, Moore and West have ALL dropped passes that were right in their hands. Unacceptable! ( in fact the reason we lost the game sunday was simply because of dropped passes during the past drive) Though Joe would not throw anyone under the bus.

17 drops ( not misses) is embarrassing for an offense, Quite honestly until they start catching the ball, I will not criticize Joe.

Joe Flacco cannot throw and catch the passes.

Joe doesn't make the play calls, he can adjust the call at the line if he has the proper personnel. O line played very below average last game.

So far the ravens have out scored and gained more yards than their opponents this is a direct reflection on Joe, certainly you cannot attribute it to a running game

If a defense allows 3rd down and 19, 16, 12, 8 and 7 you can expect that points will be scored by the opponent

Yeah I been there with the dropped passes excuses and play calling. The elite QBs, pro bowl QB still get it done. Listen, he threw the ball 52 times last week, 45 times the week before that. I think it's a wash. How many times is he throwing too high or behind receivers without touch. They also catch his poorly thrown balls. It's just another excuse. I get it. I've been there. But watch the game. If receiver dropped 5 balls, what bout there other 35 attempts?

example....first drive Sunday. No dropped passes. The elite QB in the NFL has a completion rating of 69% get rid of the 17 dropped passes and Joe would be at 69% and have 4 more TD's.

[bigcatfrank1]

5 keys:
under center , play option, I formation
get the fullback involved
catch the ball
Defense stops long 3rd down conversions
limit penalties

[bigcatfrank1]

So just an update regarding the comments below, 2nd quarter. Flacco 12-16
2 dropped passes. Pitta had one right in his gut and Perriman missed a fantastic throw by Joe that would have gained 40 yards.
Basically Joe is at 75% and should be at 88% completion so far.
we will see.

[bigcatfrank1]

first half stats- Flacco 16 for 22 = 72.7% 2 drops / 1 outstretch = 19/22 =86.4%. I will itemize the actual catches for you- Pitta misses a pass in his gut 1st quarter; Perriman misses a 40 yd gain pass in his hands 2nd quarter; Juzchzke misses a short yard pass, stumbles and then misses the pass off of his fingers.

[law215]

Summary

1. West running well – TD, PA-Gilmore
2. Holding – Wallace 2nd drive - punt
3. SPT give up –Punt return (was dominating up until that point) 7-6 missed extra point
4. Joe bad throw to Crocket
5. Ref PI against skin bail out of 3rd and long 3 straight passes – FG 10-6
6. Big kick return Skins
7. Suggs sack forces punt
8. Perriman dropped pass deep
9. Flacco sacked -punt
10. Orr forced fumble ball on Wash 15yd
11. 2 straight passes (now 5 straight passes) getting away from the run now 3rd and long
12. Run on 3rd and long 4down
13. Fake FG attempt on the 16 yard line – SMH? Missed no points off turnover
14. Roughing the passer Guy – 15 yard penalty
15. Off sides - Jernigan
16. Ravens stop 4th and 1. (Two stupid coaching decision by both teams) who really wants the players to win the game?
17. Ravens abandoning the run game three straight passes and a 3 and out. Almost no time off the clock.
18. Skins miss 53 yard.
19. With one second left decides to call a pass play deep in their own territory. Sack - SMH
Maybe the worst coached game I’ve seen. Ravens should be up by at least 7 points but are in a dog fight with a team that can’t stop the run.

[law215]

  2 hours ago, law215 said:

  2 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

  5 hours ago, law215 said:

My 5 things to watch are all about Joe Flacco. For years I’ve been a Flacco apologist. It’s the coach, it’s the line, its receivers, the running game etc.
Now he has a HOF receiver in Smith Sr., his security blanket in Pitta, 2 receivers with speed in Wallace and Perriman, solid RBs, and 2 other 6’ 5 TEs.

So far this season, Joe has faced defenses near the bottom of league and is throwing over 30 times every game and the offense still is looks inconsistent drive to drive, half to half, game to game.

If Joe had an all pro LT, all pro RB, all pro Wr, all pro TE, then Ravens would not be able to pay him the money he gets.
1. Will Joe throw accurately today?
2. Does he protect the football?
3. Is his play consistent all 4 quarters?
4. Is he making adjustments at the line?
5. Joe’s production. He facing a defense that gives up the run and pass. Can he be ‘the guy’ that gets the offense going?

If yes to these questions, the Ravens will not only beat the Skins, but are a playoff team.

Redskins have a good offense so the defense may struggle today. Joe is getting paid more than anyone on the field (on both teams).

He needs to be the guy that is the reasons Ravens win, instead of a guy that needs the best of everything around him to win. No more excuses!

lets look at your issue in just a little more detail;

First i believe that you are missing the most glaring stat- that receivers, TE and RB- MUST catch the ball- SSr, Wallace, Aiken, Perriman, Williams, Forsett, Gilmore, Moore and West have ALL dropped passes that were right in their hands. Unacceptable! ( in fact the reason we lost the game sunday was simply because of dropped passes during the past drive) Though Joe would not throw anyone under the bus.

17 drops ( not misses) is embarrassing for an offense, Quite honestly until they start catching the ball, I will not criticize Joe.

Joe Flacco cannot throw and catch the passes.

Joe doesn't make the play calls, he can adjust the call at the line if he has the proper personnel. O line played very below average last game.

So far the ravens have out scored and gained more yards than their opponents this is a direct reflection on Joe, certainly you cannot attribute it to a running game

If a defense allows 3rd down and 19, 16, 12, 8 and 7 you can expect that points will be scored by the opponent

Yeah I been there with the dropped passes excuses and play calling. The elite QBs, pro bowl QB still get it done. Listen, he threw the ball 52 times last week, 45 times the week before that. I think it's a wash. How many times is he throwing too high or behind receivers without touch. They also catch his poorly thrown balls. It's just another excuse. I get it. I've been there. But watch the game. If receiver dropped 5 balls, what bout there other 35 attempts?

example....first drive Sunday. No dropped passes. The elite QB in the NFL has a completion rating of 69% get rid of the 17 dropped passes and Joe would be at 69% and have 4 more TD's.

Your right so far. Flacco has been very good. Very stupid coaching decisions making this game closer than it should be.
Note: deep passes are always low percentage. Perriman should have caught the ball, but why not keeping pounding the run with West averaging 10 yards per carry?

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[Fastynart]

If we have a bad offensive line, it is no one's fault except Ozzie Newsome. Instead of drafting WRs, like ball dropper Perriman, he should have been paying attention to the needs of the line. Jensen and Hurst are terrible. It is still a patchwork line. Look at the success of the Patriots. They don't give a crap about wide receivers and tight ends. They pay attention to protecting their bonafide Pro Bowl quarterback and whomever else has to take his place. That is why they win and we don't.

[bigcatfrank1]

first half stats- Flacco 16 for 22 = 72.7% 2 drops / 1 outstretch = 19/22 =86.4%. I will itemize the actual catches for you- Pitta misses a pass in his gut 1st quarter; Perriman misses a 40 yd gain pass in his hands 2nd quarter; Juzchzke misses a short yard pass, stumbles and then misses the pass off of his fingers.

that leaves 3 passes on Joe that he either threw away or missed his target. 2 sacks in the first half, guess the Flacco doubters will claim the sacks as his fault too.

[bigcatfrank1]

3 rd quarter, defense and O-line breakdowns. 1 completion, 1 incompletion, 1 interception, 1 fumble

[law215]

half
1. illegal contact J. Smith – skins punt good defense series
2. last stupid play at end of half got Wagner injured and now Jensen in the game
3. illegal shift 2nd and 11,run, sack, punt ball at 50 yard line
4. J Smith get beat. 13-10 Skins SMH
5. Ravens next drive, pass, pass, pass 3 and out – punt ball in Wash 1 yd line
6. Mosley int then fumbles out of the endzone –stupid play. Another wasted opportunity
7. Skins run game starting to dominate, J Smith getting eaten up by Garcon
8. Defense getting worked. This team can’t play well for 60 minutes on any side of the ball.
9. FG – 16-10 Skins
10. West another big run
11. Joe stand like a statue and does not buy time, misses Aiken with Skins on his back. Cousin is moving with roll out buying time, Flacco is a sitting target. That’s on player and coach IMO -PUNT
12. Encroachment –Pierce 1& 5
13. Cousins get hit but completes the pass. That’s the big time plays you need from your QB

[bigcatfrank1]

half
1. illegal contact J. Smith – skins punt good defense series
2. last stupid play at end of half got Wagner injured and now Jensen in the game
3. illegal shift 2nd and 11,run, sack, punt ball at 50 yard line
4. J Smith get beat. 13-10 Skins SMH
5. Ravens next drive, pass, pass, pass 3 and out – punt ball in Wash 1 yd line
6. Mosley int then fumbles out of the endzone –stupid play. Another wasted opportunity
7. Skins run game starting to dominate, J Smith getting eaten up by Garcon
8. Defense getting worked. This team can’t play well for 60 minutes on any side of the ball.
9. FG – 16-10 Skins
10. West another big run
11. Joe stand like a statue and does not buy time, misses Aiken with Skins on his back. Cousin is moving with roll out buying time, Flacco is a sitting target. That’s on player and coach IMO -PUNT
12. Encroachment –Pierce 1& 5
13. Cousins get hit but completes the pass. That’s the big time plays you need from your QB

Actually that is a big time play yo need from your Defense.

[law215]

  5 minutes ago, law215 said:

half
1. illegal contact J. Smith – skins punt good defense series
2. last stupid play at end of half got Wagner injured and now Jensen in the game
3. illegal shift 2nd and 11,run, sack, punt ball at 50 yard line
4. J Smith get beat. 13-10 Skins SMH
5. Ravens next drive, pass, pass, pass 3 and out – punt ball in Wash 1 yd line
6. Mosley int then fumbles out of the endzone –stupid play. Another wasted opportunity
7. Skins run game starting to dominate, J Smith getting eaten up by Garcon
8. Defense getting worked. This team can’t play well for 60 minutes on any side of the ball.
9. FG – 16-10 Skins
10. West another big run
11. Joe stand like a statue and does not buy time, misses Aiken with Skins on his back. Cousin is moving with roll out buying time, Flacco is a sitting target. That’s on player and coach IMO -PUNT
12. Encroachment –Pierce 1& 5
13. Cousins get hit but completes the pass. That’s the big time plays you need from your QB

Actually that is a big time play yo need from your Defense.

It's never Joe? But he's the highest paid guy on the team. That's a problem in it self.

[bigcatfrank1]

half
1. illegal contact J. Smith – skins punt good defense series
2. last stupid play at end of half got Wagner injured and now Jensen in the game
3. illegal shift 2nd and 11,run, sack, punt ball at 50 yard line
4. J Smith get beat. 13-10 Skins SMH
5. Ravens next drive, pass, pass, pass 3 and out – punt ball in Wash 1 yd line
6. Mosley int then fumbles out of the endzone –stupid play. Another wasted opportunity
7. Skins run game starting to dominate, J Smith getting eaten up by Garcon
8. Defense getting worked. This team can’t play well for 60 minutes on any side of the ball.
9. FG – 16-10 Skins
10. West another big run
11. Joe stand like a statue and does not buy time, misses Aiken with Skins on his back. Cousin is moving with roll out buying time, Flacco is a sitting target. That’s on player and coach IMO -PUNT
12. Encroachment –Pierce 1& 5
13. Cousins get hit but completes the pass. That’s the big time plays you need from your QB

your explanations only confirm that so far Joe is not the problem. As far as standing in the pocket, that is by play design. If he rolls out without blockers he is a sitting duck. Extending the play is only a small portion of the game and often falls on the receivers to make a play beyond the design not just the QB.

[law215]

  12 minutes ago, law215 said:

half
1. illegal contact J. Smith – skins punt good defense series
2. last stupid play at end of half got Wagner injured and now Jensen in the game
3. illegal shift 2nd and 11,run, sack, punt ball at 50 yard line
4. J Smith get beat. 13-10 Skins SMH
5. Ravens next drive, pass, pass, pass 3 and out – punt ball in Wash 1 yd line
6. Mosley int then fumbles out of the endzone –stupid play. Another wasted opportunity
7. Skins run game starting to dominate, J Smith getting eaten up by Garcon
8. Defense getting worked. This team can’t play well for 60 minutes on any side of the ball.
9. FG – 16-10 Skins
10. West another big run
11. Joe stand like a statue and does not buy time, misses Aiken with Skins on his back. Cousin is moving with roll out buying time, Flacco is a sitting target. That’s on player and coach IMO -PUNT
12. Encroachment –Pierce 1& 5
13. Cousins get hit but completes the pass. That’s the big time plays you need from your QB

your explanations only confirm that so far Joe is not the problem. As far as standing in the pocket, that is by play design. If he rolls out without blockers he is a sitting duck. Extending the play is only a small portion of the game and often falls on the receivers to make a play beyond the design not just the QB.

Are you watching the game? Do you see the high balls, the abandoning of the run game?

A high caliber QB notices his guys are getting locked down and make adjustment based on what he sees.
He makes the throws when the game is on the line.
He walks up and down the sideline in guys faces to get protection, catch balls.

Joe is not doing that against one of the worst defenses in the league. Meanwhile Cousin, and the #1 defense is making plays.

That's the difference

[bigcatfrank1]

Flacco 7 /11 second half at 5 min left in the game. 1 drop, 3 incompletions - missed 3rd down conversion on a poor pass. Additionally poor pass blocking, penalties and missed scoring opportunity by defense. Last chance for offense with 2.5 minutes left.

[law215]

Flacco 7 /11 second half at 5 min left in the game. 1 drop, 3 incompletions - missed 3rd down conversion on a poor pass. Additionally poor pass blocking, penalties and missed scoring opportunity by defense. Last chance for offense with 2.5 minutes left.

Washington moving the ball against the #1 defense and Ravens only have 10 points in the 4th quarter against one of the worst defense in the league.

It’s the OC and the QB.

[law215]

Flacco 7 /11 second half at 5 min left in the game. 1 drop, 3 incompletions - missed 3rd down conversion on a poor pass. Additionally poor pass blocking, penalties and missed scoring opportunity by defense. Last chance for offense with 2.5 minutes left.

That completion percentage is dink and dunk. Where are the TD, chunk yard, big time plays?

[bigcatfrank1]

Flacco 7 /11 second half at 5 min left in the game. 1 drop, 3 incompletions - missed 3rd down conversion on a poor pass. Additionally poor pass blocking, penalties and missed scoring opportunity by defense. Last chance for offense with 2.5 minutes left.

5/8 at 39 seconds.60 yard drive.....
Touchdown!!!! Flacco to Perriman

[bigcatfrank1]

  11 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Flacco 7 /11 second half at 5 min left in the game. 1 drop, 3 incompletions - missed 3rd down conversion on a poor pass. Additionally poor pass blocking, penalties and missed scoring opportunity by defense. Last chance for offense with 2.5 minutes left.

5/8 at 39 seconds.60 yard drive.....
Touchdown!!!! Flacco to Perriman

looks like his foot dragged before it was out.

[law215]

  6 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

  17 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Flacco 7 /11 second half at 5 min left in the game. 1 drop, 3 incompletions - missed 3rd down conversion on a poor pass. Additionally poor pass blocking, penalties and missed scoring opportunity by defense. Last chance for offense with 2.5 minutes left.

5/8 at 39 seconds.60 yard drive.....
Touchdown!!!! Flacco to Perriman

looks like his foot dragged before it was out.

Last drive
17. Another low throw by Joe
18. Joe scrambles on 4th down to get first down
19. Over thrown to Perriman
20. 2 completions to Juice underneath
21. Wallace on sideline
22. High to Perriman does not allow run after catch
23. Dumb pass into double coverage
24. Incomplete to Wallace

I'll give you this. If Harbs had just kick the FG, Tucker could have tied the game.

[bigcatfrank1]

  2 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

  13 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Flacco 7 /11 second half at 5 min left in the game. 1 drop, 3 incompletions - missed 3rd down conversion on a poor pass. Additionally poor pass blocking, penalties and missed scoring opportunity by defense. Last chance for offense with 2.5 minutes left.

5/8 at 39 seconds.60 yard drive.....
Touchdown!!!! Flacco to Perriman

looks like his foot dragged before it was out.

Wallace drops the pass, Perriman doesn't get his foot in bounds. Shame....good drive.

[law215]

  5 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

  8 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

  19 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Flacco 7 /11 second half at 5 min left in the game. 1 drop, 3 incompletions - missed 3rd down conversion on a poor pass. Additionally poor pass blocking, penalties and missed scoring opportunity by defense. Last chance for offense with 2.5 minutes left.

5/8 at 39 seconds.60 yard drive.....
Touchdown!!!! Flacco to Perriman

looks like his foot dragged before it was out.

Wallace drops the pass, Perriman doesn't get his foot in bounds. Shame....good drive.

So none of that is Joe?

[5sticks]

I will always root for our guys and my hometown team.  However, I've discovered it's much better to watch The Ravens if I expect Joe Flacco to underperform.  That way I'm not nearly as disappointed with an L.  Yes, it was stupid to call a fake FG, and I'm not convinced our OC is any good, but in the end a great, or very good QB wins that game as well as the one last week. Unfortunately we have a good QB who often plays badly.  I ope we do better, but I just can't EXPECT that we will...Joe is just way too inconsistent.  

[Purple Dawg 96]

I'm in favor of Mallet starting Joe is DONE!

[Popeye the sailor man]

I'm in favor of Mallet starting Joe is DONE!

Thank You Purple Dawg 96..I've been saying that for the last few years..Flacco is a very dull QB, No emotions or fire in his veins, I even picked the Redskins to win today