Five Changes Needed Immediately

[trevorsteadman]

Biggest change needs to be Pees making adjustments mid game... When Jimmy Smith went out I didn't notice a difference in defensive calls to help out any other cornerbacks on Odell. 200 yards in a half is not acceptable. Also what irritates me is the first 3 games our interior pass rush looked phenomenal where did that go? Where did Jernigan go? Where did Pierce go? Where did our defensive line go?

[frozen joe flacco fan]

On ‎10‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 3:30 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

This is the point.

So, a coach should coach with the assumption that potentially the play call, execution and decision-making will fail? That's coaching not to lose, and most likely results in losses. These are highly paid professionals. They cant get 1 yard? Thats not on the coach. Thats on them.

 

Another thing no one wants to take into account is that this is a game of point differential - not just points. if you just "take the 3" now you also have to stop them from getting 3, otherwise all you did was waste time. If you get the TD, you can give up a FG and still gain on them.

Going for the TD gives you 7, missing gives you 0 and them on the 1 yd line with 65-70 yds to get 3, and 99 yds to get 7.

Going for the FG gives you 3. But only puts them 40 or so yds from getting 3 too.

 

Even if we accept your point, which is, that we've failed to execute meaningful situational football, and Harbs shouldnt have confidence in his squad - that only seems to bolster the argument for going for it. How many times in this season have we gotten to the 1 yd line, let alone how many times could Harbs expect to get back there in that game?

You're there, with a rare golden opportunity. Winners take em. Losers shy away.

The highly paid pros need to get 1 yard. Thats it. Plain and simple, black and white.

I find the bottom line of your quote somewhat amusing and here's why. If I accept the premise that our beloved Ravens should have scored on 4th & 1 because they are "highly paid pros," it follows logically that the Giants should be able to stop them because they are "highly paid pros." With all due respect, its not as plain & simple as you would want it to be. Remember a similar situation in the 2012 Super Bowl when our highly paid professionals stopped the highly paid professionals from SF?

[letitgosometimes]

19 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

I find the bottom line of your quote somewhat amusing and here's why. If I accept the premise that our beloved Ravens should have scored on 4th & 1 because they are "highly paid pros," it follows logically that the Giants should be able to stop them because they are "highly paid pros." With all due respect, its not as plain & simple as you would want it to be. Remember a similar situation in the 2012 Super Bowl when our highly paid professionals stopped the highly paid professionals from SF?

 

Spot on Frozen Joe Flacco Fan!  I was at that game and will never forget those four goal line pass plays.  SF has never been the same since. 

[letitgosometimes]

Time of possession: Own the football; own the game.  

[Moderator 3]

2 hours ago, letitgosometimes said:

Time of possession: Own the football; own the game.  

We've been winning TOP all year.

[letitgosometimes]

Good point, you have the ball then it comes down to two things: the coach calling the right play and the offense executing accordingly.  Ravens must sync on both ends to beat the Jets.  

[ravens rule]

Redzone offense period. I don't want to see tucker finishing drives for us often. It's so embarrassing man.

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, ravens rule said:

Redzone offense period. I don't want to see tucker finishing drives for us often. It's so embarrassing man.

That starts with the tight ends... Who were supposed to be the best group in the league. Pitta had one good game other than that the TE's are full of complete goofballs this year. 

[letitgosometimes]

Ravens need a little fire in their bellIes - run the no-huddle offense the entire game.

[K-Dog]

3 hours ago, letitgosometimes said:

Ravens need a little fire in their bellIes - run the no-huddle offense the entire game.

Run the ball the entire game?

[letitgosometimes]

1. Offensive line: four point stance for better balance and power against thrashing Steelers' rush.

2. QB takes 50% snaps from behind center (versus shotgun) to allow more options (run, pass, play action).

3. Two tight end formations, release one for pass plays, otherwise utilize two TE blocking scheme.

4. Execute a reverse on a kickoff, a punt return, or an offensive snap - stay unpredictable on offense.

5. Defense must pop the receiver or runner at the point of football - the Steelers fumble if they get hit at or near the football.

Bonus: Ravens’ coaches must make decisions at the NFL level, not college: no pondering points!

[Maryland]

Need more trick plays. Try running a Tucker fake-FG, only this time put Tucker under center and run a read-option with Koch. Opposing special teams unit will be in complete disarray. You'll have them respecting the Tucker-Koch read-option the rest of the game, making them play it safe with their kick-block unit. 

[codizzle]

Camp posted a video on Twitter.. he's healthy and looking very quick 

 

ravens can sign him on the 7th.. I'd say it's an automatic yes

Edited October 31, 2016 by codizzle

[RavensFan34950]

On 10/24/2016 at 5:50 PM, K-Dog said:

Run the ball the entire game?

Especially since literally every game is a one score game. There is no excuse to abandon the run when we're still in the game. 

[Ravensfan23]

13 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Camp posted a video on Twitter.. he's healthy and looking very quick 

 

ravens can sign him on the 7th.. I'd say it's an automatic yes

I was so excited for that guy this year, I hope he can stay healthy and finally put it together. He'd be a huge help to this offense when others seemingly can't get open. His work in the middle of the field could be deadly. 

[codizzle]

8 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I was so excited for that guy this year, I hope he can stay healthy and finally put it together. He'd be a huge help to this offense when others seemingly can't get open. His work in the middle of the field could be deadly. 

Same here.. just want to see him have a legit chance and be healthy 

and I have no faith right now in Hester

[Ravensfan23]

10 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Same here.. just want to see him have a legit chance and be healthy 

and I have no faith right now in Hester

Yea, I'm at the same place with Hester, he provides nothing right now and i don't think this team can afford to wait on him to get healthy. I was hoping to see Kenny Bell after the bye to replace Hester, but if Camp is healthy he's the guy. 

From a offensive stand point, once Camp comes back and I definitely think he will. I think it'll affect Aiken and Moore the most. SSS and Wallace will get their targets and Perriman will continue to get a crash course. I think Camp, Waller and Dixon could really add some much needed play making potential to this offense with the hope that pressure is taken off Perriman and he's allowed to just go out and make splash plays. 

[Sami84]

25 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea, I'm at the same place with Hester, he provides nothing right now and i don't think this team can afford to wait on him to get healthy. I was hoping to see Kenny Bell after the bye to replace Hester, but if Camp is healthy he's the guy. 

From a offensive stand point, once Camp comes back and I definitely think he will. I think it'll affect Aiken and Moore the most. SSS and Wallace will get their targets and Perriman will continue to get a crash course. I think Camp, Waller and Dixon could really add some much needed play making potential to this offense with the hope that pressure is taken off Perriman and he's allowed to just go out and make splash plays. 

 

who says camp will come back here? He might have better situations..

[allblackraven]

27 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea, I'm at the same place with Hester, he provides nothing right now and i don't think this team can afford to wait on him to get healthy. I was hoping to see Kenny Bell after the bye to replace Hester, but if Camp is healthy he's the guy. 

From a offensive stand point, once Camp comes back and I definitely think he will. I think it'll affect Aiken and Moore the most. SSS and Wallace will get their targets and Perriman will continue to get a crash course. I think Camp, Waller and Dixon could really add some much needed play making potential to this offense with the hope that pressure is taken off Perriman and he's allowed to just go out and make splash plays. 

 

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

who says camp will come back here? He might have better situations..

Who says Ravens trust him to stay healthy for longer than two weeks and still want him?

[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

who says camp will come back here? He might have better situations..

 

6 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

 

Who says Ravens trust him to stay healthy for longer than two weeks and still want him?

Oh I know this game. Who says the Ravens don't want him? Your turn.

 

But seriously, the Ravens said from the day they cut him the hope was he'd return. But reports are that 15 other teams would like to work Camp out so the ball is in his court. If he returns I think he could help this offense and ST unit, if he doesn't than he clearly won't. 

[Boddiebroadus]

Wow I'm missing McPhee 

[Ravens4Real]

McPhee is better than any pass rusher we currently have. Obviously the salary is the reason he's not here anymore. Can't do anything about that.

[usmccharles]

22 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

McPhee is better than any pass rusher we currently have. Obviously the salary is the reason he's not here anymore. Can't do anything about that.

Some people dont realize that.  Some people dont take the cap into consideration and they also dont take in consideration of bring in other players ie, we keep KO, we dont sign weddle or wallace.....

[Maryland]

1 hour ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Wow I'm missing McPhee 

He is looking pretty good vs this dreadful Vikings OL lol, but I think we made the right decision not re-signing him to the figure Chicago offered. Fact is, our FO/medical staff knew too much about his knee problems to ever entertain a big contract. 

[codizzle]

2 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

McPhee is better than any pass rusher we currently have. Obviously the salary is the reason he's not here anymore. Can't do anything about that.

People forget that 

[MTRavensFan]

McPhee is the perfect example of the type of player Ozzie has been targeting in recent drafts that people have been complaining so vocally about.

 High character, killer work ethic, intelligent. Not flashy, not a star, won't "take over a game", just quietly goes to work, improves every day and gets it done. Very solid player, I miss him a lot. He earned that contract.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 10/19/2016 at 11:18 PM, frozen joe flacco fan said:

I find the bottom line of your quote somewhat amusing and here's why. If I accept the premise that our beloved Ravens should have scored on 4th & 1 because they are "highly paid pros," it follows logically that the Giants should be able to stop them because they are "highly paid pros." With all due respect, its not as plain & simple as you would want it to be. Remember a similar situation in the 2012 Super Bowl when our highly paid professionals stopped the highly paid professionals from SF?

So... youre saying its fair expectations that the D not give up 1 yard and that the Offense gain 1 yard?

Why then, would it not make sense to have each set of down only require 3-4 yards? I mean, if 1 yd is an equal expectation for both the offense and defense... then it should be fair to expect the D to hold a team to 1yd/play.

Reality is, its much harder for a defense to hold the offense to 1 yd, then it is for the offense to gain 1 yard.

 

Yes. I remember the SB... when our team stopped them. But SF should have scored. Did we do a great job? yea. Jimmy was excellent on Crabtree. But SF's play calling was atrocious trying the same play twice, a corner fade when they only needed a yard or two.

Not to mention, I was terrified and nervous - as im sure you were - that we were going to give up the TD there. I mean, if its the expectation of the D to not give up a yard.... why were we nervous.

Plus, I remember a SB between the Seahawks and Patriots where Carroll was destroyed for throwing the ball on that last play with Lynch available. The assumption by literally EVERYONE was Lynch wouldve scored... Ok, yea some of that is bc who Lynch is... but most of it is, A) stupid to throw the ball there and B ) its really, really hard for a D to stop you from getting 1 yd on a run.

 

Thats almost a fact. I think youd be hard pressed to find a single person who wouldnt agree that it should be pretty easy for an offense to get 1 yard on a run play. Or, that its really tough for a defense to limit gains to less than a yard.

 

I dont know what you think your point was... do defenses sometimes stop an offense from gaining a yard? Yea, Sure. Just like sometimes offenses convert hail mary's.... just like our highly paid, professional offense scored the "Mile High Miracle" with Jacoby getting behind Moore. But, was it the expectation for the offense to do it? Heck no... otherwise we wouldnt call it the "miracle." 

It took Moore making that mistake. Denvers Defense absolutely should not have given that play up. Black and white. Yes, very plain and simple. Did we overcome it? Sure... but that doesnt change what the expectation was. That doesnt suddenly make every OC call a deep, 60 yd bomb every play now bc well "it happened once, so yea, thats the expectation." 

No team is going to gameplan to be down 7 with a minute left and 60 yards to go, bc yea that one time we made it work!

No defense is going to let an offense get to the 1 yard line, and then crack down bc "yes, we SHOULD get this stop on 3 or 4 straight tries." 

 

4th and 1. 1 yard to score.... the offense SHOULD SCORE. Its 1 yard. How many teams average below 1yd/carry? None. I dont know that any team in history has ever averaged below that. Sure its different on the goal line bc the D is probably expecting run... but still, its much easier for the offense to get the yard than it is for the D to stop it.

 

I dont even know why im giving such a long response. Your point makes zero sense. Actually i dont even know what the point was, so im kinda rambling.

 

If you want to put a million dollars down with me on any 1 random play, you win if the D doesnt give up a single yard, and I win if the offense gets at least a yard - youre on. Oh, and btw we're going to do that, "doubling or nothing" it 4 straight times. And oh, btw if I get at any point in those 4 turns 1 yard, thats it, its over. Only I get another shot at double or nothing if I lose.

Fair odds? Like your chances? 

Edited November 4, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 10/31/2016 at 8:33 PM, Ravensfan23 said:

 

Oh I know this game. Who says the Ravens don't want him? Your turn.

 

But seriously, the Ravens said from the day they cut him the hope was he'd return. But reports are that 15 other teams would like to work Camp out so the ball is in his court. If he returns I think he could help this offense and ST unit, if he doesn't than he clearly won't. 

Wait - 15 other teams are interested in a WR WE DRAFTED? The Ravens??? Cant be.

We were so stupid for holding out hope he'd get over his injuries; yet, even now after this most recent injury, theres 15 teams interested? 

BUT, that also means 16 teams arent interested. So, yea. Point proven. We suck at evaluating WRs. And taking guys late is pointless.

[Ravensfan23]

55 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Wait - 15 other teams are interested in a WR WE DRAFTED? The Ravens??? Cant be.

We were so stupid for holding out hope he'd get over his injuries; yet, even now after this most recent injury, theres 15 teams interested? 

BUT, that also means 16 teams arent interested. So, yea. Point proven. We suck at evaluating WRs. And taking guys late is pointless.

Oh it's worse than that. 3 of the teams that were named are the Pats, Steelers and Broncos. You know none of those teams know what a quality slot WR drafted late could bring to an offense. I'm sure they just wanna bring Camp in to do a case study on how a guy can be so injury prone or something

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Oh it's worse than that. 3 of the teams that were named are the Pats, Steelers and Broncos. You know none of those teams know what a quality slot WR drafted late could bring to an offense. I'm sure they just wanna bring Camp in to do a case study on how a guy can be so injury prone or something

Study his DNA so they can avoid similar strains in other players.... genius.

 

We need to fire our FO and start pulling guys from theres. Totally ahead of the game right now.