[News] Late For Work 10/5: Outpouring Of Love & Respect After Justin Forsett's Departure Is Incredible

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[btfan2]

Good luck Justin, you got a raw deal ...

[fusuymada]

Funny, but the guys I think should be cut, never get cut. If Kendrick Lewis can stay on this team with as many games as he lost last year, and now he is in on one play and he is out of position again. Same way with James Hurst. You can't tell me that of all the left tackles in the world, there isn't one out there better than Hurst. You can't do any worse than just miss a guy who is rushing and both he and Jensen are guilty of that. Yes, Forsett should have been cut in the preseason and if Dixon had been healthy that might have happened. But Forsett is a Trestman casualty. And if Trestman keeps calling games like the last four, there are going to be either a lot of unemployed people who can't make a system work based on their skill set, or they are going to be injured. We should have blown out Oakland and all the numbers pointed to that. But Trestmans schemes are so vanilla and pathetic that a Pop Warner team could figure them out.

[Steve32]

Good luck Justin, you got a raw deal ...

Why do you say that?
Everyone saw this coming based on his performance, and he still gets paid his full salary to boot. Not bad.

[Ravenshine]

“When the Ravens say it was a mutual parting, it really was a mutual parting,” reported NFL.com’s Mike Garafolo. “Forsett could have stuck around there and waited to see if the younger guys failed and then went back to him. But he said that in the meantime, ‘I’m not going to wait for that. Let me see if I can go find a situation somewhere else.’”

Yes it was initially made clear it was a mutual parting. Ravens weren't going to start him, or play him ever again possibly, so he decided to go elsewhere...we'll just call that mutual lol.

I have seen lots of fans around the league writing that they hope he lands on their teams...which I find interesting. I hope he does get picked up soon too. And at a place he'd like to play and be valued.

Raw deal here for him.

[Fastynart]

Forsett, the consummate pro. That says it all. In the world of today's whiners and egomaniacs, Forsett is a refreshing breath of air. Why the Ravens blamed him for the terrible state of their running game is a mystery to me. The Ravens haven't had a big bruising back since Jamal Lewis. If you expect these guys to be able to run without the benefit of blocking, you are going to be disappointed. Give them some room and they will flourish, but this offensive line has not done that. I wish Forsett the best. He will land somewhere and he deserves better than what he got here.

[rmcjacket23]

“When the Ravens say it was a mutual parting, it really was a mutual parting,” reported NFL.com’s Mike Garafolo. “Forsett could have stuck around there and waited to see if the younger guys failed and then went back to him. But he said that in the meantime, ‘I’m not going to wait for that. Let me see if I can go find a situation somewhere else.’”

Yes it was initially made clear it was a mutual parting. Ravens weren't going to start him, or play him ever again possibly, so he decided to go elsewhere...we'll just call that mutual lol.

I have seen lots of fans around the league writing that they hope he lands on their teams...which I find interesting. I hope he does get picked up soon too. And at a place he'd like to play and be valued.

Raw deal here for him.

Well it doesn't benefit the team or fans to keep sending him out there when he's not producing and others around him are clearly better.

So beyond that, who really cares if its "mutual" or not?

The only "raw deal" he got was that he didn't play well enough to be better than his peers.

100% on him and nobody else.

[rmcjacket23]

Forsett, the consummate pro. That says it all. In the world of today's whiners and egomaniacs, Forsett is a refreshing breath of air. Why the Ravens blamed him for the terrible state of their running game is a mystery to me. The Ravens haven't had a big bruising back since Jamal Lewis. If you expect these guys to be able to run without the benefit of blocking, you are going to be disappointed. Give them some room and they will flourish, but this offensive line has not done that. I wish Forsett the best. He will land somewhere and he deserves better than what he got here.

That's the difference... Forsett needs holes to be effective. Good RBs don't.

He was and always has been a system back that depends on his blockers for him to flourish.

The moment I saw defensive lineman chasing him down in space this season, everybody knew it was game over.

[Ravenshine]

  38 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

“When the Ravens say it was a mutual parting, it really was a mutual parting,” reported NFL.com’s Mike Garafolo. “Forsett could have stuck around there and waited to see if the younger guys failed and then went back to him. But he said that in the meantime, ‘I’m not going to wait for that. Let me see if I can go find a situation somewhere else.’”

Yes it was initially made clear it was a mutual parting. Ravens weren't going to start him, or play him ever again possibly, so he decided to go elsewhere...we'll just call that mutual lol.

I have seen lots of fans around the league writing that they hope he lands on their teams...which I find interesting. I hope he does get picked up soon too. And at a place he'd like to play and be valued.

Raw deal here for him.

Well it doesn't benefit the team or fans to keep sending him out there when he's not producing and others around him are clearly better.

So beyond that, who really cares if its "mutual" or not?

The only "raw deal" he got was that he didn't play well enough to be better than his peers.

100% on him and nobody else.

Well, he had to share snaps with West from get-go. In the Bills game he out performed West. So he had 1 game over West, West had 2 games over him to compare with who's our best starter this year. And then West got to start in a game with the 31st ranked rush defense.

Plus Forsett did well as starter last year before breaking his arm, and during a year when everything was going wrong...he still notched up the figures. So...I just don't feel they had all that good a reason here to let him walk. I think for them it came down to his age.

But nm what I say...if Justin gets picked up he'll get to 'prove it ultimately' and keep going and I'd like to think retire in style. I just hope the opportunity comes to him, he deserves it. I think it will when other teams take all this into account and consider him.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

Well, he had to share snaps with West from get-go. In the Bills game he out performed West. So he had 1 game over West, West had 2 games over him to compare with who's our best starter this year. And then West got to start in a game with the 31st ranked rush defense.

Plus Forsett did well as starter last year before breaking his arm, and during a year when everything was going wrong...he still notched up the figures. So...I just don't feel they had all that good a reason here to let him walk. I think for them it came down to his age.

But nm what I say...if Justin gets picked up he'll get to 'prove it ultimately' and keep going and I'd like to think retire in style. I just hope the opportunity comes to him, he deserves it. I think it will when other teams take all this into account and consider him.

Through the first four weeks, Forsett had 31 carries for 98 yards, which is 3.2 YPC. West had 33 carries for 119 yards, which is 3.6 YPC. So there's about a half a yard per carry difference that benefits West.

The difference between this year and last year is there was no Terrance West on this team last year, nor was there a Kenneth Dixon on the team last year, and he is the key here.

When you're run game is struggling, there's virtually no reason whatsoever to give a 30 YO veteran more carries than two young guys who are AT LEAST as effective as him. With Dixon coming back, its a no brainer. I suppose they didn't have to cut him, but he wouldn't be active on gameday very often, so cutting him is more of a courtesy than anything else.

I think he can certainly get a backup or change of pace role on a team that suffers an injury, but I think most teams know he has limitations and requires really good blocking and a really good system in order to succeed.

[Militant X 1]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Through the first four weeks, Forsett had 31 carries for 98 yards, which is 3.2 YPC. West had 33 carries for 119 yards, which is 3.6 YPC. So there's about a half a yard per carry difference that benefits West.

The difference between this year and last year is there was no Terrance West on this team last year, nor was there a Kenneth Dixon on the team last year, and he is the key here.

When you're run game is struggling, there's virtually no reason whatsoever to give a 30 YO veteran more carries than two young guys who are AT LEAST as effective as him. With Dixon coming back, its a no brainer. I suppose they didn't have to cut him, but he wouldn't be active on gameday very often, so cutting him is more of a courtesy than anything else.

I think he can certainly get a backup or change of pace role on a team that suffers an injury, but I think most teams know he has limitations and requires really good blocking and a really good system in order to succeed.

I definitely agree with this statement.  And Forsett himself, saw the handwriting on the wall as well when he was sitting on the bench this past Sunday.  His release came as no surprise.  Wish him well.

[Ravenshine]

  9 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

Well, he had to share snaps with West from get-go. In the Bills game he out performed West. So he had 1 game over West, West had 2 games over him to compare with who's our best starter this year. And then West got to start in a game with the 31st ranked rush defense.

Plus Forsett did well as starter last year before breaking his arm, and during a year when everything was going wrong...he still notched up the figures. So...I just don't feel they had all that good a reason here to let him walk. I think for them it came down to his age.

But nm what I say...if Justin gets picked up he'll get to 'prove it ultimately' and keep going and I'd like to think retire in style. I just hope the opportunity comes to him, he deserves it. I think it will when other teams take all this into account and consider him.

Through the first four weeks, Forsett had 31 carries for 98 yards, which is 3.2 YPC. West had 33 carries for 119 yards, which is 3.6 YPC. So there's about a half a yard per carry difference that benefits West.

The difference between this year and last year is there was no Terrance West on this team last year, nor was there a Kenneth Dixon on the team last year, and he is the key here.

When you're run game is struggling, there's virtually no reason whatsoever to give a 30 YO veteran more carries than two young guys who are AT LEAST as effective as him. With Dixon coming back, its a no brainer. I suppose they didn't have to cut him, but he wouldn't be active on gameday very often, so cutting him is more of a courtesy than anything else.

I think he can certainly get a backup or change of pace role on a team that suffers an injury, but I think most teams know he has limitations and requires really good blocking and a really good system in order to succeed.

On the 3.2 vs 3.6... thought I made it clear in my first post that it's a 3 game sample and West edged him 2/1...here's each game stat I got from old post on it:

Buffalo
Forsett 10 att 41yds
West 12 att 32yds

Browns
Forsett 14 att 37 yards
West 11 att 42 yards

Jags
Forsett 7 att 20 yards
West 10 att 45 yards

And saying there was no West last year actually makes my point...Justin was a starter last year, a role he didn't get this year. And didn't even get a chance to start a game as a West got. Once West got to start his percentages went up and that appears to have justified cutting Justin. All WAY too small a sample imo, Justin had bad game with Jags, but not so bad with Buff and Browns, hence the flaw of small sample percentages.

Well, I imagine other teams will see how he fares in their lineup and then decide how to use him. I think they'll at least assess how he fits into THEIR system most of all, rather than base it on how his year started with us here. But, we'll see, nothing's happened on that front yet. But...you know how I feel about it all at least ?

[Godfather A]

Let's not forget that we are looking at a Gary Kubiak run scheme compared to a Mark Trestman run scheme. I would not be surprised to see Forsett wind up as C. J Anderson's backup as Mike Garofalo suggested.

[rmcjacket23]

14 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

On the 3.2 vs 3.6... thought I made it clear in my first post that it's a 3 game sample and West edged him 2/1...here's each game stat I got from old post on it:

Buffalo
Forsett 10 att 41yds
West 12 att 32yds

Browns
Forsett 14 att 37 yards
West 11 att 42 yards

Jags
Forsett 7 att 20 yards
West 10 att 45 yards

And saying there was no West last year actually makes my point...Justin was a starter last year, a role he didn't get this year. And didn't even get a chance to start a game as a West got. Once West got to start his percentages went up and that appears to have justified cutting Justin. All WAY too small a sample imo, Justin had bad game with Jags, but not so bad with Buff and Browns, hence the flaw of small sample percentages.

Well, I imagine other teams will see how he fares in their lineup and then decide how to use him. I think they'll at least assess how he fits into THEIR system most of all, rather than base it on how his year started with us here. But, we'll see, nothing's happened on that front yet. But...you know how I feel about it all at least ?

He didn't get that role this year because other backs like West performed better than him in camp and in the preseason. He technically was the "starter" for three weeks, but had a nearly equal timeshare with West, mostly because West performed incredibly well in camp and earned that role.

I mean frankly, fans should have seen this coming as far back as like 5-6 months ago. We had Forsett and Buck Allen as the primaries last season with an injured Taliaferro (who is technically still here), and yet we go out and use a 4th rounder on Dixon AND add West and even Richardson into the mix. Theoretically, we really had like 5-6 guys potentially competing for that job.

And out of that mix, we found out Taliaferro was hurt, Richardson sucks, Allen is average, and West and Dixon are really good.

The real question is... if Dixon hadn't gotten hurt in the preseason, would Forsett have even been on the roster come week 1? We will never know, but given how quickly we moved on, I'd say its certainly possible.

[cobrajet]

Funny, but the guys I think should be cut, never get cut. If Kendrick Lewis can stay on this team with as many games as he lost last year, and now he is in on one play and he is out of position again. Same way with James Hurst. You can't tell me that of all the left tackles in the world, there isn't one out there better than Hurst. You can't do any worse than just miss a guy who is rushing and both he and Jensen are guilty of that. Yes, Forsett should have been cut in the preseason and if Dixon had been healthy that might have happened. But Forsett is a Trestman casualty. And if Trestman keeps calling games like the last four, there are going to be either a lot of unemployed people who can't make a system work based on their skill set, or they are going to be injured. We should have blown out Oakland and all the numbers pointed to that. But Trestmans schemes are so vanilla and pathetic that a Pop Warner team could figure them out.

I agree. I think that is why they just brought in that free agent o-lineman and are bringing in that free agent safety for workouts. Both Kendrick Lewis and James Hurst should be concerned.

[rmcjacket23]

Let's not forget that we are looking at a Gary Kubiak run scheme compared to a Mark Trestman run scheme. I would not be surprised to see Forsett wind up as C. J Anderson's backup as Mike Garofalo suggested.

They did use a 4th round pick on a RB who can do everything Forsett does, so I wouldn't bet on that.

[Ravenshine]

  51 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

On the 3.2 vs 3.6... thought I made it clear in my first post that it's a 3 game sample and West edged him 2/1...here's each game stat I got from old post on it:

Buffalo
Forsett 10 att 41yds
West 12 att 32yds

Browns
Forsett 14 att 37 yards
West 11 att 42 yards

Jags
Forsett 7 att 20 yards
West 10 att 45 yards

And saying there was no West last year actually makes my point...Justin was a starter last year, a role he didn't get this year. And didn't even get a chance to start a game as a West got. Once West got to start his percentages went up and that appears to have justified cutting Justin. All WAY too small a sample imo, Justin had bad game with Jags, but not so bad with Buff and Browns, hence the flaw of small sample percentages.

Well, I imagine other teams will see how he fares in their lineup and then decide how to use him. I think they'll at least assess how he fits into THEIR system most of all, rather than base it on how his year started with us here. But, we'll see, nothing's happened on that front yet. But...you know how I feel about it all at least ?

He didn't get that role this year because other backs like West performed better than him in camp and in the preseason. He technically was the "starter" for three weeks, but had a nearly equal timeshare with West, mostly because West performed incredibly well in camp and earned that role.

I mean frankly, fans should have seen this coming as far back as like 5-6 months ago. We had Forsett and Buck Allen as the primaries last season with an injured Taliaferro (who is technically still here), and yet we go out and use a 4th rounder on Dixon AND add West and even Richardson into the mix. Theoretically, we really had like 5-6 guys potentially competing for that job.

And out of that mix, we found out Taliaferro was hurt, Richardson sucks, Allen is average, and West and Dixon are really good.

The real question is... if Dixon hadn't gotten hurt in the preseason, would Forsett have even been on the roster come week 1? We will never know, but given how quickly we moved on, I'd say its certainly possible.

Harbs said he was having an excellent camp.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/John-Harbaugh-Justin-Forsett-Playing-As-Well-As-His-Pro-Bowl-Year/0a258fdf-6a11-4895-86e4-1318a7930b71

As for preseason: Forsett only played game 3 as he was deemed a starter at the time it looks like?? I have no idea WHAT happened to get to where we are now regarding why he was cut NOW when clearly Harbs liked what he saw from Justin prior to the season. But Maybe Kubiak will grab him now that he's on the market.

[rmcjacket23]

47 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

Harbs said he was having an excellent camp.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/John-Harbaugh-Justin-Forsett-Playing-As-Well-As-His-Pro-Bowl-Year/0a258fdf-6a11-4895-86e4-1318a7930b71

As for preseason: Forsett only played game 3 as he was deemed a starter at the time it looks like?? I have no idea WHAT happened to get to where we are now regarding why he was cut NOW when clearly Harbs liked what he saw from Justin prior to the season. But Maybe Kubiak will grab him now that he's on the market.

Well, based on what I've seen the first three weeks, is inability to get separation and looking overall just much slower than in the past had a lot to do with it. Zero elusiveness in space as a pass catcher also doesn't help.

Regardless, we've moved on.

[Ravenshine]

  49 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

Harbs said he was having an excellent camp.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/John-Harbaugh-Justin-Forsett-Playing-As-Well-As-His-Pro-Bowl-Year/0a258fdf-6a11-4895-86e4-1318a7930b71

As for preseason: Forsett only played game 3 as he was deemed a starter at the time it looks like?? I have no idea WHAT happened to get to where we are now regarding why he was cut NOW when clearly Harbs liked what he saw from Justin prior to the season. But Maybe Kubiak will grab him now that he's on the market.

Well, based on what I've seen the first three weeks, is inability to get separation and looking overall just much slower than in the past had a lot to do with it. Zero elusiveness in space as a pass catcher also doesn't help.

Regardless, we've moved on.

As did he.

[eze17]

  2 hours ago, fusuymada said:

Funny, but the guys I think should be cut, never get cut. If Kendrick Lewis can stay on this team with as many games as he lost last year, and now he is in on one play and he is out of position again. Same way with James Hurst. You can't tell me that of all the left tackles in the world, there isn't one out there better than Hurst. You can't do any worse than just miss a guy who is rushing and both he and Jensen are guilty of that. Yes, Forsett should have been cut in the preseason and if Dixon had been healthy that might have happened. But Forsett is a Trestman casualty. And if Trestman keeps calling games like the last four, there are going to be either a lot of unemployed people who can't make a system work based on their skill set, or they are going to be injured. We should have blown out Oakland and all the numbers pointed to that. But Trestmans schemes are so vanilla and pathetic that a Pop Warner team could figure them out.

I agree. I think that is why they just brought in that free agent o-lineman and are bringing in that free agent safety for workouts. Both Kendrick Lewis and James Hurst should be concerned.

The main reason Hurst and Lewis are still here is that they know the Raven's system...It's hard to just throw any player into a different system right off the street, they need to adapt to various schemes, different signals, and digest a whole new playbook. Especially when the guys who are available out there are certainly not starting caliber, and in most cases not even viewed as reliable back-ups. Not to say a team can't get lucky and find that diamond in the rough that managed to slip through the cracks, but that is just odd luck, definately not the norm. So as bad as Hurst and Lewis are (and yes, they really ARE pretty horrendous), one would have to evaluate wether bringing in a new guy just for the sake of change is worth giving up a player who at least has experience with the team's system. Trust me when I say that I wish we had settled this during training camp, because I had an uneasy feeling about both these players being primary back-ups, but unless the front office can find someone they're positive can fill their role, I wouldn't get my hopes up that they'll be out the door anytime soon...

[Space11jams]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, Ravenshine said:

On the 3.2 vs 3.6... thought I made it clear in my first post that it's a 3 game sample and West edged him 2/1...here's each game stat I got from old post on it:

Buffalo
Forsett 10 att 41yds
West 12 att 32yds

Browns
Forsett 14 att 37 yards
West 11 att 42 yards

Jags
Forsett 7 att 20 yards
West 10 att 45 yards

And saying there was no West last year actually makes my point...Justin was a starter last year, a role he didn't get this year. And didn't even get a chance to start a game as a West got. Once West got to start his percentages went up and that appears to have justified cutting Justin. All WAY too small a sample imo, Justin had bad game with Jags, but not so bad with Buff and Browns, hence the flaw of small sample percentages.

Well, I imagine other teams will see how he fares in their lineup and then decide how to use him. I think they'll at least assess how he fits into THEIR system most of all, rather than base it on how his year started with us here. But, we'll see, nothing's happened on that front yet. But...you know how I feel about it all at least ?

He didn't get that role this year because other backs like West performed better than him in camp and in the preseason. He technically was the "starter" for three weeks, but had a nearly equal timeshare with West, mostly because West performed incredibly well in camp and earned that role.

I mean frankly, fans should have seen this coming as far back as like 5-6 months ago. We had Forsett and Buck Allen as the primaries last season with an injured Taliaferro (who is technically still here), and yet we go out and use a 4th rounder on Dixon AND add West and even Richardson into the mix. Theoretically, we really had like 5-6 guys potentially competing for that job.

And out of that mix, we found out Taliaferro was hurt, Richardson sucks, Allen is average, and West and Dixon are really good.

The real question is... if Dixon hadn't gotten hurt in the preseason, would Forsett have even been on the roster come week 1? We will never know, but given how quickly we moved on, I'd say its certainly possible.

Harbs said he was having an excellent camp.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/John-Harbaugh-Justin-Forsett-Playing-As-Well-As-His-Pro-Bowl-Year/0a258fdf-6a11-4895-86e4-1318a7930b71

As for preseason: Forsett only played game 3 as he was deemed a starter at the time it looks like?? I have no idea WHAT happened to get to where we are now regarding why he was cut NOW when clearly Harbs liked what he saw from Justin prior to the season. But Maybe Kubiak will grab him now that he's on the market.

Camp and live games are two different things. Forsett is an awesome guy but he was terribly slow and couldn't make the first guy miss. Once he was touched he was down and you can't have that in your RB's. Every yard is important. Once West started, first 100 yard rush for the season. Even Allen played pretty well when he ran the ball. Dixon will be the feature back and Justin knew that. He asked to be release so it wasn't the Ravens surprising him. It was a mutually agreement between both parties.

[FloridalovesRavens]

  3 hours ago, Ravenshine said:

“When the Ravens say it was a mutual parting, it really was a mutual parting,” reported NFL.com’s Mike Garafolo. “Forsett could have stuck around there and waited to see if the younger guys failed and then went back to him. But he said that in the meantime, ‘I’m not going to wait for that. Let me see if I can go find a situation somewhere else.’”

Yes it was initially made clear it was a mutual parting. Ravens weren't going to start him, or play him ever again possibly, so he decided to go elsewhere...we'll just call that mutual lol.

I have seen lots of fans around the league writing that they hope he lands on their teams...which I find interesting. I hope he does get picked up soon too. And at a place he'd like to play and be valued.

Raw deal here for him.

Well it doesn't benefit the team or fans to keep sending him out there when he's not producing and others around him are clearly better.

So beyond that, who really cares if its "mutual" or not?

The only "raw deal" he got was that he didn't play well enough to be better than his peers.

100% on him and nobody else.

I care. He is a human being after all and does have feelings. I know this is a business but you need not be so harsh. Hopefully something like this does not happen to you or yours.

[cobrajet]

31 minutes ago, eze17 said:

The main reason Hurst and Lewis are still here is that they know the Raven's system...It's hard to just throw any player into a different system right off the street, they need to adapt to various schemes, different signals, and digest a whole new playbook. Especially when the guys who are available out there are certainly not starting caliber, and in most cases not even viewed as reliable back-ups. Not to say a team can't get lucky and find that diamond in the rough that managed to slip through the cracks, but that is just odd luck, definately not the norm. So as bad as Hurst and Lewis are (and yes, they really ARE pretty horrendous), one would have to evaluate wether bringing in a new guy just for the sake of change is worth giving up a player who at least has experience with the team's system. Trust me when I say that I wish we had settled this during training camp, because I had an uneasy feeling about both these players being primary back-ups, but unless the front office can find someone they're positive can fill their role, I wouldn't get my hopes up that they'll be out the door anytime soon...

You are absolutely right about the importance of having guys with experience in our system and not changing for the sake of changing mid-season because of the learning curve. With that said, I know that Ozzie is one GM that is always checking on who is available out there, especially at positions where guys are constantly not cutting the mustard. IMHO, if he is flying guys in for tryouts during the season at two positions, he is doing more than just trying to send a message. He is looking for an upgrade and if he likes what he sees in a tryout and thinks a player is better than what we currently have, he is going to make a roster spot. If he does not sign a player after a tryout, it is probably because he did not see enough in that player to to swap him with the player who knows our system and playbook.

[Ravenshine]

  1 hour ago, Ravenshine said:

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, Ravenshine said:

On the 3.2 vs 3.6... thought I made it clear in my first post that it's a 3 game sample and West edged him 2/1...here's each game stat I got from old post on it:

Buffalo
Forsett 10 att 41yds
West 12 att 32yds

Browns
Forsett 14 att 37 yards
West 11 att 42 yards

Jags
Forsett 7 att 20 yards
West 10 att 45 yards

And saying there was no West last year actually makes my point...Justin was a starter last year, a role he didn't get this year. And didn't even get a chance to start a game as a West got. Once West got to start his percentages went up and that appears to have justified cutting Justin. All WAY too small a sample imo, Justin had bad game with Jags, but not so bad with Buff and Browns, hence the flaw of small sample percentages.

Well, I imagine other teams will see how he fares in their lineup and then decide how to use him. I think they'll at least assess how he fits into THEIR system most of all, rather than base it on how his year started with us here. But, we'll see, nothing's happened on that front yet. But...you know how I feel about it all at least ?

He didn't get that role this year because other backs like West performed better than him in camp and in the preseason. He technically was the "starter" for three weeks, but had a nearly equal timeshare with West, mostly because West performed incredibly well in camp and earned that role.

I mean frankly, fans should have seen this coming as far back as like 5-6 months ago. We had Forsett and Buck Allen as the primaries last season with an injured Taliaferro (who is technically still here), and yet we go out and use a 4th rounder on Dixon AND add West and even Richardson into the mix. Theoretically, we really had like 5-6 guys potentially competing for that job.

And out of that mix, we found out Taliaferro was hurt, Richardson sucks, Allen is average, and West and Dixon are really good.

The real question is... if Dixon hadn't gotten hurt in the preseason, would Forsett have even been on the roster come week 1? We will never know, but given how quickly we moved on, I'd say its certainly possible.

Harbs said he was having an excellent camp.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/John-Harbaugh-Justin-Forsett-Playing-As-Well-As-His-Pro-Bowl-Year/0a258fdf-6a11-4895-86e4-1318a7930b71

As for preseason: Forsett only played game 3 as he was deemed a starter at the time it looks like?? I have no idea WHAT happened to get to where we are now regarding why he was cut NOW when clearly Harbs liked what he saw from Justin prior to the season. But Maybe Kubiak will grab him now that he's on the market.

Camp and live games are two different things. Forsett is an awesome guy but he was terribly slow and couldn't make the first guy miss. Once he was touched he was down and you can't have that in your RB's. Every yard is important. Once West started, first 100 yard rush for the season. Even Allen played pretty well when he ran the ball. Dixon will be the feature back and Justin knew that. He asked to be release so it wasn't the Ravens surprising him. It was a mutually agreement between both parties.

Again I think people aren't seeing what infetesimal differences the decision was based on. 3.6 vs 3.2 in 3 game span. And all the sudden it's declared (by some) Justin is no longer good? The whole running offesense wasn't good, we all know that. I didn't see huge differences in the stats between he and West. If it were a case of players talents I'd expect something more like 3.2 vs 4.1 and over a longer span of games (not 3)... you know, let the players gel...

Anyway, regardless, it's the teams decision. I can't believe Justin's best years are over tho, cause they are not. He's still got some in him. I think he proved that here.

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54 minutes ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

I care. He is a human being after all and does have feelings. I know this is a business but you need not be so harsh. Hopefully something like this does not happen to you or yours.

Yeah this is naive on many levels.

1. If I were in Forsett's shoes, I'd have known many, many months ago that my role on this team was going to be significantly different than the past two years, and that my time with this employer was likely coming to an end. If he didn't have this sort of awareness, he certainly should have, and that's 100% on him. I generally find that most of the time an employee is fired for poor performance, there were plenty of "signs" of this. When the employee feels blindsided, that generally just means that the employee didn't want to or couldn't see the "signs", and that further validates the employers decision.

2. His employment life isn't over nor is his earning capacity. He has plenty of opportunities to find employment elsewhere. 

I've been laid off before, and I suspect I will again in the future. I took it in stride, found another job, and was exponentially better off for it. This doesn't need to be so dramatic. It doesn't matter whether the two sides sell to the media that it was a "mutual parting" or not, because nobody really believes it was.

This is the standard example of a company allowing an employee to "resign" in order to save face, when everybody knows that it was the employer who initiated the change. 

Edited October 5, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[rmcjacket23]

37 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

Again I think people aren't seeing what infetesimal differences the decision was based on. 3.6 vs 3.2 in 3 game span. And all the sudden it's declared (by some) Justin is no longer good? The whole running offesense wasn't good, we all know that. I didn't see huge differences in the stats between he and West. If it were a case of players talents I'd expect something more like 3.2 vs 4.1 and over a longer span of games (not 3)... you know, let the players gel...

Anyway, regardless, it's the teams decision. I can't believe Justin's best years are over tho, cause they are not. He's still got some in him. I think he proved that here.

Younger, cheaper, better. Anyway you look at it, those three words summarize the entire process. Not always about keeping somebody around because he's a "nice guy" or a "class act". Its a football team, not a church choir.

For what its worth, a half a yard per carry doesn't seem like much, but it depends on usage. For a RB getting 15-20 carries a game, that's 7-10 yards a game. Doesn't seem like much, but then again, 7-10 yards was partially the difference between a W and an L this past Sunday, so hard to say its irrelevant.

What's astounding to me is that so many fans complain about the coaching staff's inability to make changes to things that aren't working, they do PRECISELY what you ask them to do (make a personnel decision that they feel benefits the team), and now fans either don't understand it or don't want to understand it.

The logic behind that thought process blows my mind...

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  3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  4 hours ago, Ravenshine said:

“When the Ravens say it was a mutual parting, it really was a mutual parting,” reported NFL.com’s Mike Garafolo. “Forsett could have stuck around there and waited to see if the younger guys failed and then went back to him. But he said that in the meantime, ‘I’m not going to wait for that. Let me see if I can go find a situation somewhere else.’”

Yes it was initially made clear it was a mutual parting. Ravens weren't going to start him, or play him ever again possibly, so he decided to go elsewhere...we'll just call that mutual lol.

I have seen lots of fans around the league writing that they hope he lands on their teams...which I find interesting. I hope he does get picked up soon too. And at a place he'd like to play and be valued.

Raw deal here for him.

Well it doesn't benefit the team or fans to keep sending him out there when he's not producing and others around him are clearly better.

So beyond that, who really cares if its "mutual" or not?

The only "raw deal" he got was that he didn't play well enough to be better than his peers.

100% on him and nobody else.

I care. He is a human being after all and does have feelings. I know this is a business but you need not be so harsh. Hopefully something like this does not happen to you or yours.

While I understand, and even admire your compassion, this is a game. Not just any occupation, but a game where winning is everything and losing can cost a whole lot of people (players, coaches, front office ect...) their jobs. I don't care if someone is the nicest, classiest guy in the world, if he can't produce he's gotta go. Not that I would want to see the team hiring dirt bags either. But if you want to keep a player because their "nice", and you don't want to hurt people's feelings, then you will be out of a job quicker than anything, and probably a whole lotta "nice" people are going out the door with you. So what you may see as "harsh" is actually just sacrificing one person to save a lot of other jobs...Kinda like natural selection out in the wild, it may seem hard but there's a reason it happens.

[Ravenshine]

  49 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

Again I think people aren't seeing what infetesimal differences the decision was based on. 3.6 vs 3.2 in 3 game span. And all the sudden it's declared (by some) Justin is no longer good? The whole running offesense wasn't good, we all know that. I didn't see huge differences in the stats between he and West. If it were a case of players talents I'd expect something more like 3.2 vs 4.1 and over a longer span of games (not 3)... you know, let the players gel...

Anyway, regardless, it's the teams decision. I can't believe Justin's best years are over tho, cause they are not. He's still got some in him. I think he proved that here.

Younger, cheaper, better. Anyway you look at it, those three words summarize the entire process. Not always about keeping somebody around because he's a "nice guy" or a "class act". Its a football team, not a church choir.

For what its worth, a half a yard per carry doesn't seem like much, but it depends on usage. For a RB getting 15-20 carries a game, that's 7-10 yards a game. Doesn't seem like much, but then again, 7-10 yards was partially the difference between a W and an L this past Sunday, so hard to say its irrelevant.

What's astounding to me is that so many fans complain about the coaching staff's inability to make changes to things that aren't working, they do PRECISELY what you ask them to do (make a personnel decision that they feel benefits the team), and now fans either don't understand it or don't want to understand it.

The logic behind that thought process blows my mind...

I didn't say anything about Justin being nice or class act as you oddly think my stance is about. It just so happens this article talks about Justin's qualities as such and his team mates saying as such about him. I however have been talking about his ABILITIES. Or have you already forgotten and spun it your way? Either way, I know you need the last word. Lol, you just need it. So go ahead. Reply to this post and say more things that have nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'll grant you the last word by not replying back.

Btw, I want the coaches to make changes, that doesn't mean I want players gone or think that's a solution. Where you got that connection, again has nothing to do with what I'VE been talking about.

[MTRavensFan]

1 hour ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

I care. He is a human being after all and does have feelings. I know this is a business but you need not be so harsh. Hopefully something like this does not happen to you or yours.

 

44 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah this is naive on many levels.

Wrong.

There are plenty of jobs where compassion and human feeling are integral to performance, and where all the technical skill in the world doesn't make up for acting like a cold, unfeeling butt-hole. Trust me, I work in healthcare. You may think you want Dr. House, but in reality people hate doctors like that.

Football is a game of emotions, where heart and grit and determination are equally as important as size and natural ability - just ask Ray Lewis. The Ravens are a team built on that philosophy, it's not just one or the other, you've got to have both.

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27 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

 

Wrong.

There are plenty of jobs where compassion and human feeling are integral to performance, and where all the technical skill in the world doesn't make up for acting like a cold, unfeeling butt-hole. Trust me, I work in healthcare. You may think you want Dr. House, but in reality people hate doctors like that.

Football is a game of emotions, where heart and grit and determination are equally as important as size and natural ability - just ask Ray Lewis. The Ravens are a team built on that philosophy, it's not just one or the other, you've got to have both.

1. No idea what the Healthcare reference is for... has nothing to do with anything I said or anything anybody else said. Seems way, way off base/topic.

2. Yes, you do need both. And apparently, Forsett doesn't currently have both, otherwise he would still be on this team now wouldn't he? You literally just regurgitated what I already said... heart, grit and determination isn't enough. 

Edited October 5, 2016 by rmcjacket23