Merged: The Secondary

[BmoreBird22]

21 hours ago, redrum52 said:

He only allowed 180 of the 300...  lol...  it's funny.  Was talking to a friend about him before the season started.  Nothing spectacular, but can get the job done, I think.

I read it was actually like 223. Reminscent of Melvin against the Patriots.

However, this was the first time in NFL history there was a 500 yard passer and 300 yard receiver in the same game, so a lot went wrong.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I think this secondary is doing their job.  Everyone except Kendrick Lewis.  Wright is what he is.  He is a serviceable corner.   But we need to get our young draft guys speed up to take that #2 spot fast.   Don't like opening up holes @ clutch time

[Inqui]

9 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Did Bene go unclaimed? It looks that way to me. If so I'd really like to sign him. I'm kinda surprised he wasn't claimed  and was even cut. 

 

9 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Should find out today at 4pm 

Wikipedia and Rotoworld still have him as a free agent, so it doesn't look like anyone's picked him up yet. He'd look good in purple and black.

Edited October 9, 2016 by Inqui

[Tornado700]

A prison jump suit flying highhhhhhhhhhhh!

[Rav'n Maniac]

11 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

I think this secondary is doing their job.  Everyone except Kendrick Lewis.  Wright is what he is.  He is a serviceable corner.   But we need to get our young draft guys speed up to take that #2 spot fast.   Don't like opening up holes @ clutch time

Totally agree on Lewis. The play was bad coverage by Wright, but Lewis was a bust on his only coverage as well and didn't help Wright out at all. Crabtree was even with him with 15 yards. between them. No one is going to make up that distance on that type of play.

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Totally agree on Lewis. The play was bad coverage by Wright, but Lewis was a bust on his only coverage as well and didn't help Wright out at all. Crabtree was even with him with 15 yards. between them. No one is going to make up that distance on that type of play.

I put 85% of the blame on Wright because he has to get back there and not bite on a double move, but yeah, there was no second receiver on that side of the field.

I'd have to watch the play again, but only explanation I can think of is that Lewis buzzed over to help Weddle if there was a third receiver releasing on a vertical, but I'm really not sure since his responsibility is to bracket the two.

[kpfeiffe]

On October 4, 2016 at 1:11 PM, PurpleCity5 said:

This thread is about the secondary as a whole. I haven't seen one yet so if there is one then please feel free to merge. 

Secondary has improved plenty but I feel like there is some missing element to it.

1.) This defense needs to presence of a shut down CB to give help to Shareece Wright in red-zone or scoring plays, oh yeah, which brings me too.... 

2.) Shareece Wrights plays decent to solid coverage, until scoring plays or in the redzone. He breaks down there and he just seems to forget everything. 

3.) Jimmy Smith is improving week-by-week as I predicted. He was solid in the Jaguars game, but the game against Oakland was his best of the season. Jimmy Smith tends to improve later on down the season, so I think we could get someone close to the old Jimmy Smith we're used to seeing. 

4.) Obviously Weddle has had a significant impact on this team and has been our best FA signing so far. 

5.) Would like to see turnovers among the secondary. Weddle and Young got an INT, but its good to have QBs think twice before throwing it to opposing CBs.

A much improved secondary, but I still feel like there's more to be desired. We need better FS play from Webb, we need Jimmy to return to form, we either need to decide to bench Wright or keep him and add safety help(Which I don't agree with), or we need to have someone emerge at CB. 

What do you guys think about the secondary so far? What more would you like to see? 

There is a history here. The poor secondary has been years in the making:

1. Reed retires - he is an HOF player

2. We sign Dominique Foxworth and pay him big $$. A huge mistake by Ozzie - the guy could never play.

3. We draft Matt Elam. Another big mistake by Ozzie.

4. Ladarius Webb a.k.a. Dominique Foxworth part II. Another huge mistake by Ozzie. They give this bum a nice contract. He hasn't done squat. He is a joke and on his way out the door,

5. We swap parts at CB opposite Jimmy Smith (who is solid, not spectacular) using other teams trash and castoffs. As if putting on a Ravens jersey is going to make them good.

The shine wore off this defense a long time ago. The players that made this team great are long gone. The secondary is a mess. Weddle was a good signing but what he can do remains to be seen over the next 12 games.

Our GM was great in the day, but if we're honest he has had a lot - a lot of misses over the past few years. 

 

[Rav'n Maniac]

10 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I put 85% of the blame on Wright because he has to get back there and not bite on a double move, but yeah, there was no second receiver on that side of the field.

I'd have to watch the play again, but only explanation I can think of is that Lewis buzzed over to help Weddle if there was a third receiver releasing on a vertical, but I'm really not sure since his responsibility is to bracket the two.

Yeah, I've watched that play about a half dozen times. Lewis stood flatfooted, never moving with his eyes in the backfield, and didn't move until Crabtree was making his break past Wright. At that point there was a minimum of 15 yards between them.

With no one coming up the seam, he should have been moving to the corner much, much sooner imo. 

[BmoreBird22]

52 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Yeah, I've watched that play about a half dozen times. Lewis stood flatfooted, never moving with his eyes in the backfield, and didn't move until Crabtree was making his break past Wright. At that point there was a minimum of 15 yards between them.

With no one coming up the seam, he should have been moving to the corner much, much sooner imo. 

Without a doubt. It's possible Wright could have thought that Lewis would be over the top, hence why he bit on the double move, but it was extremely poor execution by the defense on a play that should have been easy to stop.

[Maryland]

The secondary actually wasn't terrible today. Really Jimmy was the one who seemed to struggle most covering Garcon.

If our edge rush wasn't so pedestrian, this could be a pretty good defense, I think (despite the #1 ranking, we're just a good, not great defense).

[letitgosometimes]

Not their fault; wrong defensive sets.  When will the DC learn?

[BmoreBird22]

52 minutes ago, Maryland said:

The secondary actually wasn't terrible today. Really Jimmy was the one who seemed to struggle most covering Garcon.

If our edge rush wasn't so pedestrian, this could be a pretty good defense, I think (despite the #1 ranking, we're just a good, not great defense).

The left side of the defense was very fortunate that Cousins had several overthrows.

[kiwi_raven]

Considering how much time cousin had in the pocket our secondary played really well, 2 sacks today were coverage sacks

[manofsteel]

The Ravens has a lot of flaws with the secondary, especially the cornerbacks. J Smith has to tighten up his coverage. Either that or he must be replaced till he can. He is no where a good corner. He can't stay with his man nor can he tackle.. Seems like no one passrd the linebackers believes in tackling low.

shoulder grab don't cut it in the NFL. Leg tackles do. These all contribute to the lack of actual full pads full game situation practices. Put Smith on the bench for a while so that a player who really want to play, tackle and intercept balls can!. 

[Bandwagon]

I've been a huge Jimmy Smith fan but yeah hes been getting stomped on so hard, hes playing like garbage

But hes gonna have to stay our #1 for a minute

Edited October 12, 2016 by Bandwagon

[manofsteel]

Bench him and TRY someone else who want to be #1

[Bandwagon]

1 minute ago, manofsteel said:

Bench him and TRY someone else who want to be #1

Noone on this team is better than him unfortunately

 

[Rav'n Maniac]

50 minutes ago, manofsteel said:

Bench him and TRY someone else who want to be #1

And who on this team would you suggest. It's easy to just blurt out a claim but, without a recommended solution, it's just a baseless and worthless claim. 

[BmoreBird22]

Not everyone should make a thread.

[Sunday QB]

16 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

And who on this team would you suggest. It's easy to just blurt out a claim but, without a recommended solution, it's just a baseless and worthless claim. 

No one, we would have to sign someone and drop someone.

[Sami84]

1 hour ago, Bandwagon said:

I've been a huge Jimmy Smith fan but yeah hes been getting stomped on so hard, hes playing like garbage

But hes gonna have to stay our #1 for a minute

 

 

the amount of negs i got by saying we shouldnt have offered him that contract esp coming off that severe injury..

 

man why am i right like 80% of the time?..

Edited October 12, 2016 by Sami84

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

the amount of negs i got by saying we shouldnt have offered him that contract esp coming off that severe injury..

 

man why am i right like 80% of the time?..

I'd like to line up every single claim you've made because I promise it isn't 80%

[OUravensfan]

I don't understand the Jimmy criticism sometimes, he is by far our best corner, yes he was caught looking in the backfield on Sunday giving up the only TD.

Its a shame because if we have Jimmy in 2014 we honestly could of won the Super Bowl with how everything was clicking on offense.

Damn I miss Kubiak

 

Edited October 12, 2016 by OUravensfan

[Moderator 3]

2 hours ago, manofsteel said:

The Ravens has a lot of flaws with the secondary, especially the cornerbacks. J Smith has to tighten up his coverage. Either that or he must be replaced till he can. He is no where a good corner. He can't stay with his man nor can he tackle.. Seems like no one passrd the linebackers believes in tackling low.

shoulder grab don't cut it in the NFL. Leg tackles do. These all contribute to the lack of actual full pads full game situation practices. Put Smith on the bench for a while so that a player who really want to play, tackle and intercept balls can!. 

 

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Not everyone should make a thread.

Merged into the existing secondary thread, which was only halfway down the page.

[Static]

Currently tied for 2nd in YPG given up but 26th in Points give up per game.

 

Not sure what to make of that.

[BmoreRavens732]

Jimmy gives up 1 TD and you guys call for his head lol. Norman almost gave up 2 TD to perriman, a guy who's pretty much a rookie with no training camp or NFL experience outside of his 5 games he's played thus far. Only reason why perriman didn't score is because he cleanly dropped one and didn't drag his foot for another. I'm guessing the NFL would be calling for Normans head had perriman made those plays? Unless I see some official stats on jimmy I have to be really missing something here because I thought Jimmy's been playing pretty dam well

[flynismo]

54 minutes ago, Static said:

Currently tied for 2nd in YPG given up but 26th in Points give up per game.

 

Not sure what to make of that.

well, it's pretty obvious..."break but don't bend" defense

[GrimCoconut]

3 hours ago, manofsteel said:

The Ravens has a lot of flaws with the secondary, especially the cornerbacks. J Smith has to tighten up his coverage. Either that or he must be replaced till he can. He is no where a good corner. He can't stay with his man nor can he tackle.. Seems like no one passrd the linebackers believes in tackling low.

shoulder grab don't cut it in the NFL. Leg tackles do. These all contribute to the lack of actual full pads full game situation practices. Put Smith on the bench for a while so that a player who really want to play, tackle and intercept balls can!. 

Who replaces Jimmy?

[GrimCoconut]

You guys know it's hard to cover when you have pass rushers who take a while to hit home right? 

[PurpleCity5]

I still don't believe that TD was on Jimmy, or at least exclusively. It was zone cover so he was flat footed, reading the QB and diagnosing the play, when he saw him going for the pass he ran with Garcon. If Jimmy had found a way to break up the pass, it would have been an amazing play. It looked to me that Webb was late, my guess is that Webb was covering the 1/2 of the end zone and flat out didn't get there in time. I think Jimmy was supposed to get some safety help too. It could be Tampa 2, I know we play some Tampa 2 so it's possible it was that.

Also, even the best CBs in the league cannot cover for 5-7 seconds. Our pass rush certainly deserves blame for the lack of pressure and forced quick throws. You give a guy too much time and someone will get open.