[News] Ravens Offense Looking To Hit More Deep Shots

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Quarterback Joe Flacco stressed that the Ravens need to hit more chunk plays if they are going to be successful.

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[RavenLunatic]

Not going to happen in Trestman's offense.

[ravens4life86]

Trestman is on a short Leash. Joe obviously not happy with Methodical dink&dunk playcalling..passing 50x a game. Nor are the fans.
Trestman is allergic to running the ball..
And No deep shots.
And dont tell me your trying deep shots when Perriman&Wallace are barely on the field together.
Perriman needs to start getting more reps.

[Minionhunter]

We may have called the deep throws, but remember the one that hit? It was an audible by Joe. The play calling and zero respect for our run game is the problem.

[stixfix69]

when Flacco doesn't have time to throw a crossing route, how can he go deep when he has no time for plays to develop......You have to protect your QB if you want to throw any mid range to deep routes.....Our backup LT, and LG were exposed, he had no chance on passing downs....I expect that to change with Stanley and Lewis back, and they get more games under their belts....JMO....

[Steve32]

Not going to happen in Trestman's offense.

It has to, or Trestman needs to go... like Cam Cameron in 2012.

[balfan23]

59 minutes ago, RavenLunatic said:

Not going to happen in Trestman's offense.

Not going to happen if our o line can't pass protect ... no matter who's offense you want to go with. 

[sami]

Were 2nd in 20+ yard attempts. Looks to me like Flacco cant hit the target. He either under throws or over throws or throws it up into double coverage.

[gekaap]

Splendid idea. Let's do more of what we're failing at. Flacco is missing deep balls left and right. I'm sure more incompletions will solve all our problems. Why can't these fools understand that expecting more from Flacco is the problem, not the solution.

[gekaap]

when Flacco doesn't have time to throw a crossing route, how can he go deep when he has no time for plays to develop......You have to protect your QB if you want to throw any mid range to deep routes.....Our backup LT, and LG were exposed, he had no chance on passing downs....I expect that to change with Stanley and Lewis back, and they get more games under their belts....JMO....

Part of the problem is that Flacco waits too long for things to "develop" when they were never there in the first place. Flacco consistently makes poor decisions and fixates. He makes the decision that he's going to throw to certain target, and when the defense has it shut down he waits for it to open up. In the meantime, routes that were open have now been sewn up. Everyone thought so much of Flacco completing 21 passes in a row. By and large, those were short to medium passes that Flacco got rid of quickly. This coaching staff needs to get it through their heads that looking for that one exciting play isn't going to win football games. We need to play smart, strategic, balanced football. Otherwise we're this is going to continue to be yet another mediocre year.

[PalmBayRaven]

All through Training Camp they said it wouldn't matter and they would have plenty of time to gel. Now we are heading in to week 5 and Now it is problem? Really? Joe can't even hit wide open players on short plays. Over throw and Under throws with back foot lobs.

[stixfix69]

  31 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

when Flacco doesn't have time to throw a crossing route, how can he go deep when he has no time for plays to develop......You have to protect your QB if you want to throw any mid range to deep routes.....Our backup LT, and LG were exposed, he had no chance on passing downs....I expect that to change with Stanley and Lewis back, and they get more games under their belts....JMO....

Part of the problem is that Flacco waits too long for things to "develop" when they were never there in the first place. Flacco consistently makes poor decisions and fixates. He makes the decision that he's going to throw to certain target, and when the defense has it shut down he waits for it to open up. In the meantime, routes that were open have now been sewn up. Everyone thought so much of Flacco completing 21 passes in a row. By and large, those were short to medium passes that Flacco got rid of quickly. This coaching staff needs to get it through their heads that looking for that one exciting play isn't going to win football games. We need to play smart, strategic, balanced football. Otherwise we're this is going to continue to be yet another mediocre year.

that might be true, but having watched the Raiders game, superman couldn't find the time to throw, the pass protection was a joke.....but no where to go but up i imagine...So here is my plan..ha ha.....Have the Colts lose a few more, so they fire Pags, we get Pags in Pees out....wait for Detroit to keep falling on their faces, and Caldwell in, and Trestman out.....:)

[griffrb]

LOL! Interesting. We do have issues! Oline: is it physicality or blocking scheme? Passing: receivers and route running/separation; defensive coverages; or Joe's decision-making and technique (back-footed throws)? Trestmann: scared of catching a run-game cold; doesn't understand the West Coast offense and NFL defenses or just plain incompetence? BLUF: sustain drives, keep our defense off the field and score some TDs. 3-1 after the 1st quarter of the season, I'll take it. 2nd quarter at 4-0 or 3-1 is acceptable and either way we must beat the Steelers. Go Ravens!

[sami]

  1 hour ago, gekaap said:

  2 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

when Flacco doesn't have time to throw a crossing route, how can he go deep when he has no time for plays to develop......You have to protect your QB if you want to throw any mid range to deep routes.....Our backup LT, and LG were exposed, he had no chance on passing downs....I expect that to change with Stanley and Lewis back, and they get more games under their belts....JMO....

Part of the problem is that Flacco waits too long for things to "develop" when they were never there in the first place. Flacco consistently makes poor decisions and fixates. He makes the decision that he's going to throw to certain target, and when the defense has it shut down he waits for it to open up. In the meantime, routes that were open have now been sewn up. Everyone thought so much of Flacco completing 21 passes in a row. By and large, those were short to medium passes that Flacco got rid of quickly. This coaching staff needs to get it through their heads that looking for that one exciting play isn't going to win football games. We need to play smart, strategic, balanced football. Otherwise we're this is going to continue to be yet another mediocre year.

that might be true, but having watched the Raiders game, superman couldn't find the time to throw, the pass protection was a joke.....but no where to go but up i imagine...So here is my plan..ha ha.....Have the Colts lose a few more, so they fire Pags, we get Pags in Pees out....wait for Detroit to keep falling on their faces, and Caldwell in, and Trestman out.....:)

that's why we need to develop the run first plus pitchouts and dump passes. The times we did that we went down the field pretty good.

[Purple Dawg 96]

Trestman needs to look at the 2012 season games and highlights I really feel he will learn more about Joe and Dennis! Deep shots are kool but let's use mismatches down field like our best receiving RB and the TEs whom will really benefit from the mismatch! Put a RB in the WR position and really keep them guessing! Slants, post patterns, stop and go's, double moves I don't see in their repertoire what so ever just two and three yard passes between the LBers and safeties and that's not gonna cut it! The running game will be fine but on 1st 2nd and 3rd down OPEN IT UP and move the pocket once a while since the O line is 100% rite now don't make any sense trying to stand back there and all the sniveling thay comes with it! O line is under construction get over it! LETS GO!

[law215]

This type of article males me think the coaches and Joe are nuts. He has just come off ACL/MCL surgery, just got the crap beat out cause his line could block for 3 seconds and he and coaches want more deep passes. Unbelievable!

You need better pass protection and a running game to setup play action.

[martyknight@yahoo.com]

This type of article males me think the coaches and Joe are nuts. He has just come off ACL/MCL surgery, just got the crap beat out cause his line could block for 3 seconds and he and coaches want more deep passes. Unbelievable!

You need better pass protection and a running game to setup play action.

I was thinking the same thing; longer passes? Joe holding the ball too long cost us a fumble and the game Sunday (among other things.)

[The Greek]

more excuses imo. too many deep passes=loss of a down. have to set up the deep pass with the running game and intermediate throws, slants etc.. etc.. this offense is lost and harbs knows it but will most likely wait until week 12 to do something about it.

[stampedehero]

We "love" to wait until the fourth quarter to be in a game.. All Ravens fans have upset stomachs and other various stress anxiety due to Trestman .Why can't we blow somebody out?

[OUravensfan]

4 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

when Flacco doesn't have time to throw a crossing route, how can he go deep when he has no time for plays to develop......You have to protect your QB if you want to throw any mid range to deep routes.....Our backup LT, and LG were exposed, he had no chance on passing downs....I expect that to change with Stanley and Lewis back, and they get more games under their belts....JMO....

Mine too 

[CQ1]

More?!....deep shots....... Am I missing something here? I have seen hardly any. We have all of the weapons and do not know how to use them. Grant it, our blocking has been lack luster- but you still have to buy time- like many of the other QB's. Joes pocket awareness will always be a handicap for us. If we lose this game, its Mallett time (I know, that will never happen as long as Joe can play)

[CQ1]

We "love" to wait until the fourth quarter to be in a game.. All Ravens fans have upset stomachs and other various stress anxiety due to Trestman .Why can't we blow somebody out?

Helllllo :) Yes! Lets revolt. I am tired of it as a Ravens fan!

[CQ1]

Joe, 'regarding more chunk plays', please look at many of the other QB's in the league to see how they do it- as a whole.

[CQ1]

And yes I am unloading- Im still a bit beleaguered from Sundays loss along with continued ineptitude. Out.

[BigUgly]

Of course has has a quick release - that's Trestman's dink and dunk offense coupled with no line protection. Even if he had the protection, he's often not stepping into his throws and is off-target down the field (the beautiful pass to Wallace in the opener being the glaring exception).

[Raven_Lunatic]

So basically this is a back and forth argument. Joe says he wants more chunk plays, indicating that it must be on the OC; and then Harbs comes in and says the plays are called but not taken. This is him pretty much saying the exact opposite of Joe, and basically defending the OC. So which is it?

I think Joe needs to get one-on-one with his guys and say this is how it's going to be, no matter what dink and dunk plays they call. Show them results, and then maybe they will get it through their heads.

Oh btw, I see it looks Cromartie is available now ;)

And why not just bring Will Hill back and dump Useless...oh, I meant Lewis? (One play dude, and you had One Job: Don't let anyone behind you!)

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I hope they do hit on more deep shots. For this to happen the O-line needs to give Flacco time and Flacco needs to throw the ball accurately then the WR's need to hold onto the ball. the only 2 WR's who have seemed to hold onto the ball consistently are SSS and Wallace coincidentally they are the only 2 with TD's this year and both have TD's over 20 yards. 

[Militant X 1]

Everybody is all talk and no action week after week after week.  I'm sick of hearing it!

It's been a month now of us watching this pathetic offense.  The opponents have been different (Bills, Browns, Jaguars and the Raiders) but their lethargic, sluggish starts and just general ineptitude in their game play has been consistently the same.  They are not as good as we think they are or would like them to be!  I expect more of the same against the Redskins.

[Ravens_Flock]

Oh, deep shots, eh? You mean like the several we should have taken against the worst ranked pass D in the NFL, with three speedy WRs on our roster, but didn't almost the entire game? That game was super winnable, but our offense was the most stale, predictable, dink and dunk nonsense I've seen. Our WRs aren't amazing by any stretch of the imagination. But we should have been able to tear that OAK secondary up.

[RavensDE]

I hope that they go deep and connect but this really begs the question, "If they are respecting our deep ball and playing two deep every play then why isn't the rest of the field that much more open?"

On some level you can claim that us dinking and dunking is the result of playing two deep, but those super short check downs should be there on almost any play, why isn't there a successful mid-range game happening?  Last week we were under pressure with Mack and Irving picking on our back-ups, but we should be seeing more consistency against a stretched out zone defense.  I guess this moderate success is better than run-run-pass days of Cam Cameron.  I sure do miss Kubiak, but then again he just won a Super Bowl so I'd imagine he would be missed.  Tressman will have to do.