Just Chip Block on Every Play!

[Worthy]

With people chipping, blocking, and only 2 WR going out!  17 yard completion!

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Pitta chip blocks -- then goes out -- suddenly Aiken open for 20 yards.  Called back on penalty.  This is the results of keeping TEs in and blocking before releasing!

 

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Gilmore solid block -- gives Flacco an extra second -- then catches a 10-yard completion!

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On this TD pass -- Pitta chips Mack -- and whatta know -- TD!

My entire point of this thread is that all our successful deep balls we chipped every time!  Just chip all day long!  Make it a point that every stinking play -- the TE's, RBs chip someone!  Give Joe time and he's an ELITE QB!  

Edited October 4, 2016 by Worthy

[rmcjacket23]

13 minutes ago, Worthy said:

With people chipping, blocking, and only 2 WR going out!  17 yard completion!

LOL, on 1st and down, running play action, on what I believe was literally the first offensive play of the game.

And you think this formation would actually work on 3rd and 9, when the team knows you're not going to run the ball?

LOL. 

[rmcjacket23]

12 minutes ago, Worthy said:

Pitta chip blocks -- then goes out -- suddenly Aiken open for 20 yards.  Called back on penalty.  This is the results of keeping TEs in and blocking before releasing!

 

This was a 6 man protection, just like the other one's you showed me that resulted in pressure. 

Execution was the difference here, not design.

[rmcjacket23]

12 minutes ago, Worthy said:

Gilmore solid block -- gives Flacco an extra second -- then catches a 10-yard completion!

Not sure having your QB running for his life and fleeing the pocket on a play not designed for him to do that is really making your case. 

[Worthy]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not sure having your QB running for his life and fleeing the pocket on a play not designed for him to do that is really making your case. 

What happens if Gilmore doesn't block there?   If he doesn't stop (not sure who it was on the Raiders) he would have had a FREE shot on Joe!

My entire point is that with EDGE rushers -- you need to chip them inside -- do it every stinking play!  Just DO IT and you'll see how fast our OFFENSE will take off!

[Worthy]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

This was a 6 man protection, just like the other one's you showed me that resulted in pressure. 

Execution was the difference here, not design.

 

The fumble wasn't a 6 man protection.  The other 6 man protection was a RB protecting from the inside rush.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, Worthy said:

The fumble wasn't a 6 man protection.  The other 6 man protection was a RB protecting from the inside rush.

No, but the other like half dozen 3rd and long plays you showed were.

Like I said, huge difference between 1st down play action and 3rd and long in obvious passing down. Totally different responsibilities and goals from both teams.

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, Worthy said:

What happens if Gilmore doesn't block there?   If he doesn't stop (not sure who it was on the Raiders) he would have had a FREE shot on Joe!

My entire point is that with EDGE rushers -- you need to chip them inside -- do it every stinking play!  Just DO IT and you'll see how fast our OFFENSE will take off!

Or you can just get your starting LT and LG back healthy, which is likely to happen this week, and those edge rushers won't beat you every snap.

Against a team like the Redskins, who has no quality healthy edge rushers right now, your strategy would be a waste most likely.

[Worthy]

11 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No, but the other like half dozen 3rd and long plays you showed were.

The plays I showed -- 

Hurst hold -- 3rd and 4
No pressure -- 3rd and 7
Flacco Stripped Sacked -- 3rd and 6
Incomplete Pass -- 2nd and 10

Plays Made with Protection
Wallace -- 1st and 10 (17 yards)
Aiken -- 3rd and 18 (20 yards with keeping people IN)
Gilmore -- 2nd and 8
S. Smith -- 1st and 10
 

The 3rd and 4,7 and 6 yards -- they weren't so LONG that you couldn't keep everyone in!  Proof -- Aiken's 20 yard completion is 3rd and 18!  If we can complete a 3rd and 18 with keeping people in to protect -- then for heavens' sake we can keep people in for 3rd and less than 10!

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, Worthy said:

The plays I showed -- 

Hurst hold -- 3rd and 4
No pressure -- 3rd and 7
Flacco Stripped Sacked -- 3rd and 6
Incomplete Pass -- 2nd and 10

Plays Made with Protection
Wallace -- 1st and 10 (17 yards)
Aiken -- 3rd and 18 (20 yards with keeping people IN)
Gilmore -- 2nd and 8
S. Smith -- 1st and 10
 

The 3rd and 4,7 and 6 yards -- they weren't so LONG that you couldn't keep everyone in!  Proof -- Aiken's 20 yard completion is 3rd and 18!  If we can complete a 3rd and 18 with keeping people in to protect -- then for heavens' sake we can keep people in for 3rd and less than 10!

So three obvious passing situations, where the defense doesn't have to worry about the run? And you show a David Carr bootleg on 1st and goal in an obvious run formation as some sort of example of how a 7 man protection works? A 4 man protection would have worked just the same on that play.

I'm not sure why you keep referencing the Aiken play, since he committed OPI which allowed him to get open. If he didn't bull rush and run over the defender, he probably doesn't get that open, and a completion or incompletion would need to be made elsewhere. Referencing a play where a receiver commits a blatant penalty to get open in order to show how you can complete a pass is a horrendous choice for an example.

We often keep 6 or even 7 man protections, so this seems like a massive overreaction to me, especially when we're missing the left side of our Oline.

 

Edited October 4, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Worthy]

15 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or you can just get your starting LT and LG back healthy, which is likely to happen this week, and those edge rushers won't beat you every snap.

Against a team like the Redskins, who has no quality healthy edge rushers right now, your strategy would be a waste most likely.

 

As long as Joe is getting HIT -- then it's NECESSARY to keep people chipping!  Until he has a clean pocket with his O-Line -- you NEED to do all that you NEED to do!   I don't care if it's 5 people protecting or 8 people protecting -- as long as Joe doesn't get hit!  So you need to start OVERPROTECTING -- then decide if you can send more receivers out!  You don't start the game off -- underprotecting to see if the O-Line can handle it -- you start the OPPOSITE way!  Start with PROTECTION -- PROTECTION -- PROTECTION!  Then tweak your game plan!

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Worthy said:

As long as Joe is getting HIT -- then it's NECESSARY to keep people chipping!  Until he has a clean pocket with his O-Line -- you NEED to do all that you NEED to do!   I don't care if it's 5 people protecting or 8 people protecting -- as long as Joe doesn't get hit!  So you need to start OVERPROTECTING -- then decide if you can send more receivers out!  You don't start the game off -- underprotecting to see if the O-Line can handle it -- you start the OPPOSITE way!  Start with PROTECTION -- PROTECTION -- PROTECTION!  Then tweak your game plan!

They didn't start the game off under protecting. We were using 6 man protections for much of the game. That's not under protecting... thats standard protection for most teams on passing downs.

[Worthy]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So three obvious passing situations, where the defense doesn't have to worry about the run?

 

So it's obvious that we NEED to PROTECT -- if we're passing!  Don't you get it!   

[Worthy]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

They didn't start the game off under protecting. We were using 6 man protections for much of the game. That's not under protecting... thats standard protection for most teams on passing downs.

 

So you think Joe was protected this game?

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, Worthy said:

So you think Joe was protected this game?

Nope. I think the quality of the protection was poor.

The difference between us is that your solution to lack of quality is quantity. My solution to lack of quality is better quality in the form of better players.

And when it was all said and done, we were a few dropped passes that had nothing to do with protection and a bit more discipline from our defense away from winning. 

Edited October 4, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, Worthy said:

So it's obvious that we NEED to PROTECT -- if we're passing!  Don't you get it!   

Yes, and we tried the quantity approach. It didn't necessarily work.