2017 O line

[Jacquouille]

7 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Forrest Lamp with our first?

I wouldn't hate it but I'd prefer a big pusher like Dan Feeney who can really open running lanes. I'd also like a trade back if we're going for either of those.

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I wouldn't hate it but I'd prefer a big pusher like Dan Feeney who can really open running lanes. I'd also like a trade back if we're going for either of those.

id love lamp in the 2nd but i dont think he gets that far and i dont think he's at the same level as dan feeney either who would be a good trade back option

i like the trade down option but the more i think about it the more i think we hold court and pick because we might get a top 10 guy there and i just dont think there are any linemen worth the 16th pick

[Jacquouille]

49 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

id love lamp in the 2nd but i dont think he gets that far and i dont think he's at the same level as dan feeney either who would be a good trade back option

i like the trade down option but the more i think about it the more i think we hold court and pick because we might get a top 10 guy there and i just dont think there are any linemen worth the 16th pick

Yeah, let's be clear, we're not taking an OL with the 16th pick. Period. Either we trade back and consider it a possibility, either we take some later believing we can groom them even without Castillo.

If we're picking an OL in the second, Elflein is my absolute favourite. He's refined, versatile and has it between the ears. Day 1 starter, whatever happens with the other OLinemen.

Trading back is still an option because you can get a top12 player while gaining a 3rd or 4th (picks that Ozzie usually nails), and this class is one of the best in recent memory, so there's really a ton of plausible strategies.

 

 

[ALPHA]

8 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I wouldn't hate it but I'd prefer a big pusher like Dan Feeney who can really open running lanes. I'd also like a trade back if we're going for either of those.

I think Lamp is an All Pro type guard, somewhere between Justin Pugh and Zach Martin. Feeney has potential but there are real maulers in the draft with pro style experience like Dion Dawkins, I'm not sold on him either he but he has some KO in him. 

[RavensDieHard21]

I am a Dan Feeney fan, but I would never take him at 16. He will be a very good guard, potentially transforming the whole line. I would easily look to trade back into the early 20s and hoping for a 3rd to do so. The 4th is not worth it. 

I have hated the idea of cam Robinson but at 16, he might be BPA. Moving inside to guard could be a massive boost in value. Watch how he manhandled individuals at the point of attack. His knock is he has a clunky back pedal, move inside to guard and he won't be hindered by those pesky speed rushers. He will match power with power and he is savvy enough to deal with good inside rushers. Could be a home run. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I am a Dan Feeney fan, but I would never take him at 16. He will be a very good guard, potentially transforming the whole line. I would easily look to trade back into the early 20s and hoping for a 3rd to do so. The 4th is not worth it. 

I have hated the idea of cam Robinson but at 16, he might be BPA. Moving inside to guard could be a massive boost in value. Watch how he manhandled individuals at the point of attack. His knock is he has a clunky back pedal, move inside to guard and he won't be hindered by those pesky speed rushers. He will match power with power and he is savvy enough to deal with good inside rushers. Could be a home run. 

Yeah he has a tendency to take really shallow first steps and it just happens at random. Such a weird problem

[PurpleHorseman]

12 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I am a Dan Feeney fan, but I would never take him at 16. He will be a very good guard, potentially transforming the whole line. I would easily look to trade back into the early 20s and hoping for a 3rd to do so. The 4th is not worth it. 

I have hated the idea of cam Robinson but at 16, he might be BPA. Moving inside to guard could be a massive boost in value. Watch how he manhandled individuals at the point of attack. His knock is he has a clunky back pedal, move inside to guard and he won't be hindered by those pesky speed rushers. He will match power with power and he is savvy enough to deal with good inside rushers. Could be a home run. 

Can Robinson is actually a pretty safe pick. If he can't play left tackle or needs time to clean up his techniques; He could be a fine RT or even a  fine guard.

Edited February 17 by PurpleHorseman

[Jacquouille]

Yeah, I don't know about Robinson, even at G. Doesn't remind you guys too much about Greg Robinson?

I'd rather have Lamp or Feeney, those are much safer picks that bring instant value.

[jboy19]

19 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah, I don't know about Robinson, even at G. Doesn't remind you guys too much about Greg Robinson?

I'd rather have Lamp or Feeney, those are much safer picks that bring instant value.

I think playing Robinson at guard masks his pass pro deficiencies (namely waist-bending) to an extent, but his general lack of athleticism and inconsistent ability to get to the second level as a blocker would be frustrating. It'll be interesting to see how he moves at the combine. 

Guard or Tackle, I'd still hate to see him go in the First, especially if any of Lamp, Feeney, Ramczyk and Bolles are on the board. I've even see players like Dawkins, Davenport, Moton and Garcia getting more love (albeit by the media) than Robinson. 

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, jboy19 said:

I think playing Robinson at guard masks his pass pro deficiencies (namely waist-bending) to an extent, but his general lack of athleticism and inconsistent ability to get to the second level as a blocker would be frustrating. It'll be interesting to see how he moves at the combine. 

Guard or Tackle, I'd still hate to see him go in the First, especially if any of Lamp, Feeney, Ramczyk and Bolles are on the board. I've even see players like Dawkins, Davenport, Moton and Garcia getting more love (albeit by the media) than Robinson. 

Guys like lamp and feeney are the reason I almost want to trade back a load of spots unless a premier guy is there and see if we can grab an extra 2nd because the first two rounds are absolutely loaded and 2 picks in the 2nd could be huge

[rossihunter2]

i just watched voch lombardi's cam robinson tape and he definitely suggests cam robinson's a guard and the evidence he gave on film was pretty convincing

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

i just watched voch lombardi's cam robinson tape and he definitely suggests cam robinson's a guard and the evidence he gave on film was pretty convincing

I salute you for watching that whole thing lol. 1 hour is just too long

[rossihunter2]

22 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I salute you for watching that whole thing lol. 1 hour is just too long

it was a good video - maybe watch it in parts

[rossihunter2]

on review of the combine, O line is an absolute mess beyond the top 6 or so guys: robinson, feeney, lamp, ramcyzk, bolles, elflein

after those guys I have no idea who the next guy is and if I'd even take them in the 2nd round - i know talent evaluators have said this is a bad draft for o line but until now i hadn't really thought about how much of a dearth of talent there is at o line this year, especially on day 2 unless i'm missing some obvious guys - maybe ethan pocic or dion dawkins

also on a side note, what does everyone think of mike mcglinchey?

[raven94]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

on review of the combine, O line is an absolute mess beyond the top 6 or so guys: robinson, feeney, lamp, ramcyzk, bolles, elflein

after those guys I have no idea who the next guy is and if I'd even take them in the 2nd round - i know talent evaluators have said this is a bad draft for o line but until now i hadn't really thought about how much of a dearth of talent there is at o line this year, especially on day 2 unless i'm missing some obvious guys - maybe ethan pocic or dion dawkins

also on a side note, what does everyone think of mike mcglinchey?

I'm a big Taylor Moton fan. He'll be a round 2 or round 3 guy

[rossihunter2]

41 minutes ago, raven94 said:

I'm a big Taylor Moton fan. He'll be a round 2 or round 3 guy

oh i like him too but i think he should probably be a 4th rounder, maybe late 3rd rounder at best

[Italian Raven]

Man.. Dion Dawkins looks as agile as a TE. It's amazing. Great kick, super light on his feet, low pads, patient pass protector and gets to the second level with great speed and angles. He's no mauler but he gets his job done in the run phase.

Not sure he'd be the best to move him inside, as some suggest.

Now that Wagner looks gone I'd go crazy for him in the second.

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Man.. Dion Dawkins looks as agile as a TE. It's amazing. Great kick, super light on his feet, low pads, patient pass protector and gets to the second level with great speed and angles. He's no mauler but he gets his job done in the run phase.

Not sure he'd be the best to move him inside, as some suggest.

Now that Wagner looks gone I'd go crazy for him in the second.

that's a bit rich for me but if we could get him in the 3rd id be pretty pumped

[Yatagarasu]

I have a feeling we're going to address our right tackle need in free agency, so we can focus on the strength of the draft: CBs.

[Yatagarasu]

I'm thinking Ozzie is going to take a shot on some small school players like Taylor Moton to beef up our running game. 

I wonder moving Alex Lewis to RT is a good option since he is built like a tackle.

[PurpleHorseman]

I'm all for drafting 2 offensive lineman in first 4 rounds. Lamp is one of my favorites in this draft. He is top3. Then take Feeney round2 or Moton round3. While picking up a WR like Westbrook or Schuster in round2. To establish some identity on this team! We will have a dominant run game with a dual threat Runner. With a high octane offense. Ravens could sustain methodical drives and control the game with dominant offensive line, run game, and controlled intermediate air attack. While having the capability to strike with big plays. This team would then have an identity to build around and lean on.

[Italian Raven]

8 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

that's a bit rich for me but if we could get him in the 3rd id be pretty pumped

My problem is that the class ain't that deep.. There are a few good mid round guys but who can play LT and eventually move around like him? Idk. I think it's easier to see inside linemen and big, slow footed guys like Banner slide than him. Draft will tell

[JoeyFlex5]

At this point in FA, I really think our best bet is trade back and target feeney. But for some reason the ravens seem perfectly fine with Lewis at LG and I don't get it, he's an ideal RT with tackle experience. Stanley, feeney, zuttah, yanda, Lewis would be an excellent OL.  

However... it's hard for me to pass up the sexy picks in the first round like a cb or edge rusher... but feeney is essentially a lock to be at minimum a very solid starting G, which is where we need the most improvement

[rossihunter2]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

At this point in FA, I really think our best bet is trade back and target feeney. But for some reason the ravens seem perfectly fine with Lewis at LG and I don't get it, he's an ideal RT with tackle experience. Stanley, feeney, zuttah, yanda, Lewis would be an excellent OL.  

However... it's hard for me to pass up the sexy picks in the first round like a cb or edge rusher... but feeney is essentially a lock to be at minimum a very solid starting G, which is where we need the most improvement

i think its hard for us to say because we never saw him practice but the buzz has been that when they put him out there he looked uncomfortable whereas at guard they think he can be a really good player... the more i keep hearing that the more i think oline isnt an option round 1

[raven94]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

At this point in FA, I really think our best bet is trade back and target feeney. But for some reason the ravens seem perfectly fine with Lewis at LG and I don't get it, he's an ideal RT with tackle experience. Stanley, feeney, zuttah, yanda, Lewis would be an excellent OL.  

However... it's hard for me to pass up the sexy picks in the first round like a cb or edge rusher... but feeney is essentially a lock to be at minimum a very solid starting G, which is where we need the most improvement

One thing that has been concerning about Feeney is apparently he has a history with concussions. So it worries me that he might be a Chris Borland or some other early retiree due to head issues. No source but I remember hearing about it during senior bowl week from announcers. Also I feel like you're over rating Feeney a little bit. I'm not saying hes not good, but I also don't think he's the best gaurd since (insert whoever you want). I think Feeney is destined to be alright though. With that being said my view of him means he's a 2nd round target and not even a 1st round Trade Back option. So I'm basically viewing the sexy positions as our only 1st round route. I really like Taylor Moton though in round 3. He can be a good right tackle and believe or not he can be an excellent gaurd 

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i think its hard for us to say because we never saw him practice but the buzz has been that when they put him out there he looked uncomfortable whereas at guard they think he can be a really good player... the more i keep hearing that the more i think oline isnt an option round 1

He started LT a few games for us and didn't do great but he wasn't horrible, and LT is just so different from RT. He was a LT in college and did very well, probably a 3rd round RT without the arrest. honestly I'll be surprised if we put him at LG as our line currently stands 

 

7 minutes ago, raven94 said:

One thing that has been concerning about Feeney is apparently he has a history with concussions. So it worries me that he might be a Chris Borland or some other early retiree due to head issues. No source but I remember hearing about it during senior bowl week from announcers. Also I feel like you're over rating Feeney a little bit. I'm not saying hes not good, but I also don't think he's the best gaurd since (insert whoever you want). I think Feeney is destined to be alright though. With that being said my view of him means he's a 2nd round target and not even a 1st round Trade Back option. So I'm basically viewing the sexy positions as our only 1st round route. I really like Taylor Moton though in round 3. He can be a good right tackle and believe or not he can be an excellent gaurd 

 I'm a big moton fan myself. He's perfect for what we're looking for and I believe he's an excellent guard prospect and a solid RT prospect. 

But I think feeney looks elite, guys with his level of power are rarely so technically and refined with such great footwork. He's also rumored to be a very high iq player, and also is a fit for a power run game, he pulls very well and never misses his mark when he's going downhill aiming at a moving target and he brings the pain when he arrives 

[rossihunter2]

50 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He started LT a few games for us and didn't do great but he wasn't horrible, and LT is just so different from RT. He was a LT in college and did very well, probably a 3rd round RT without the arrest. honestly I'll be surprised if we put him at LG as our line currently stands 

I dunno... it just seems like the coaches see it differently and that he's a backup tackle in their eyes who just happens to also be a starting guard - I could see us going after maybe Dion Dawkins in the 3rd if he's there or something like that- with all of the FA moves so far I think that first pick is gonna be either pass rusher or wide receiver now unless one of the premier guys falls

[raven94]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He started LT a few games for us and didn't do great but he wasn't horrible, and LT is just so different from RT. He was a LT in college and did very well, probably a 3rd round RT without the arrest. honestly I'll be surprised if we put him at LG as our line currently stands 

 

 I'm a big moton fan myself. He's perfect for what we're looking for and I believe he's an excellent guard prospect and a solid RT prospect. 

But I think feeney looks elite, guys with his level of power are rarely so technically and refined with such great footwork. He's also rumored to be a very high iq player, and also is a fit for a power run game, he pulls very well and never misses his mark when he's going downhill aiming at a moving target and he brings the pain when he arrives 

I agree that he's high IQ, but I've failed to see the power consistently from him. I've seen times where he fails to generate a push in the run game and on some occasions I've seen him driven backwards. I do appreciate that he can play through pain and is versatile and I do like him as a prospect, but not enough to warrant a first round pick. You'll have to reference me to some of his better film. I usually come across ok film for him (only 4 games).

[52520Andrew]

Robinson was able to hold his own against Myles Garrett on film so I think he could play tackle but his upside is a bit limited at that position

[allblackraven]

57 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Robinson was able to hold his own against Myles Garrett on film so I think he could play tackle but his upside is a bit limited at that position

To be fair, Garrett wasn't 100% fit for that game.