2017 O line

[berad]

Question: How do you all feel about Dion Dawkins (OT, Temple) and Taylor Morton (OT, Western Michigan)? I keep running Fanspeaks On the Clock Mock Drafts and they are generally around in the 3rd-round. Are these guys any good?

[BmoreBird22]

The guard from Pitt. Dorian Johnson? Anything majorly wrong with him?

[ravensnation5220]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The guard from Pitt. Dorian Johnson? Anything majorly wrong with him?

Not really much of a maller. He was a high recruit as a left tackle but played his whole career at gaurd. He's a really good pulling gaurd and in pass pro

Ozzie said he wants to get "bigger and stronger" at oline. Not sure Johnson fits the bill.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Not really much of a maller. He was a high recruit as a left tackle but played his whole career at gaurd. He's a really good pulling gaurd and in pass pro

Ozzie said he wants to get "bigger and stronger" at oline. Not sure Johnson fits the bill.

I just know he seems to by flying up draft boards.

[balfan23]

O line is one of many intriguing areas to address in this offseason. The biggest questions initially revolve around whether or not to retain Wagner. Of course, at this stage we don't know what kind of money it would take for us to prevent him from even testing the waters. I'm of the opinion (based on history) that if he gets to FA, he's gone. 

I just noted a mock that has us taking Cam Robinson in the first round, based on the prediction that both we don't resign Wagner, that he's not viewed as a top 15 OT and that Ozzie loves Bama. Personally, since OT appears rather weak this year - I suspect he'll be gone before we're on the board. I also think it is more likely that we move Lewis to RT if we lose on Wagner and will draft (2nd round or later) along with FA help for the interior line. 

HOWEVER .... if Robinson somehow falls to us at 16 and we let Wagner walk, do you think he just can't be passed up? It would be tempting. 

[RaineV1]

2 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

O line is one of many intriguing areas to address in this offseason. The biggest questions initially revolve around whether or not to retain Wagner. Of course, at this stage we don't know what kind of money it would take for us to prevent him from even testing the waters. I'm of the opinion (based on history) that if he gets to FA, he's gone. 

I just noted a mock that has us taking Cam Robinson in the first round, based on the prediction that both we don't resign Wagner, that he's not viewed as a top 15 OT and that Ozzie loves Bama. Personally, since OT appears rather weak this year - I suspect he'll be gone before we're on the board. I also think it is more likely that we move Lewis to RT if we lose on Wagner and will draft (2nd round or later) along with FA help for the interior line. 

HOWEVER .... if Robinson somehow falls to us at 16 and we let Wagner walk, do you think he just can't be passed up? It would be tempting. 

I don't think Robinson is good enough to pick over the team needs. Not saying he's bad, but if we're going to use it on a luxury like a RT he better be a world beater, and I don't see Robinson being that good. I'd rather grab a RT in free agency.

[ravensnation5220]

8 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

O line is one of many intriguing areas to address in this offseason. The biggest questions initially revolve around whether or not to retain Wagner. Of course, at this stage we don't know what kind of money it would take for us to prevent him from even testing the waters. I'm of the opinion (based on history) that if he gets to FA, he's gone. 

I just noted a mock that has us taking Cam Robinson in the first round, based on the prediction that both we don't resign Wagner, that he's not viewed as a top 15 OT and that Ozzie loves Bama. Personally, since OT appears rather weak this year - I suspect he'll be gone before we're on the board. I also think it is more likely that we move Lewis to RT if we lose on Wagner and will draft (2nd round or later) along with FA help for the interior line. 

HOWEVER .... if Robinson somehow falls to us at 16 and we let Wagner walk, do you think he just can't be passed up? It would be tempting. 

Robinson is a mauler. He's so powerful and we want to get bigger on the oline so yes, we should take him. In a class as weak as this one is, Robinson is the most sure thing you will get. Even if he can't play tackle he would be a beast at gaurd. It would improve our running game drastically. 

Like I said, with how weak this oline class it would be foolish to pass on a talent like cam. It still depends on who else is on the board and how we have them ranked but he would deff be in the conversation 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd love to see us trade back and take dan feeney in the first and pick up another 2nd rounder and use one of them on Evan engram and use the other on either a cb or edge rusher depending on who's available. Feeney-engram-king or Lewis would be an excellent first 3 picks. I think that honestly feeney could be the player that impacts our team the most out of all the mid to late first rounders. That guy turns us from a pass protecting finesse line to a monster in the trenches, we would be running the ball with him and yanda at guard 

[hn68wb4]

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd love to see us trade back and take dan feeney in the first and pick up another 2nd rounder and use one of them on Evan engram and use the other on either a cb or edge rusher depending on who's available. Feeney-engram-king or Lewis would be an excellent first 3 picks. I think that honestly feeney could be the player that impacts our team the most out of all the mid to late first rounders. That guy turns us from a pass protecting finesse line to a monster in the trenches, we would be running the ball with him and yanda at guard 

Personally I'm still sticking to my guns and saying Feeney ends up going top 20, the guy is too good to go where he's currently being projected, and the oline class overall being somewhat weak to me says he's going high.

[ravensnation5220]

58 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd love to see us trade back and take dan feeney in the first and pick up another 2nd rounder and use one of them on Evan engram and use the other on either a cb or edge rusher depending on who's available. Feeney-engram-king or Lewis would be an excellent first 3 picks. I think that honestly feeney could be the player that impacts our team the most out of all the mid to late first rounders. That guy turns us from a pass protecting finesse line to a monster in the trenches, we would be running the ball with him and yanda at guard 

I'd rather take elflien, or lamb over feeney. Eflein can play C so had much more value and we already and lamb can play gaurd or tackle, and Lewis seems strong at gaurd.

 King didn't look good today in senior bowl practice. I think your right he'll switch to safety. Cooper kupp is a guy I'm glued on for the 2nd round

[RaineV1]

29 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I'd rather take elflien, or lamb over feeney. Eflein can play C so had much more value and we already and lamb can play gaurd or tackle, and Lewis seems strong at gaurd.

 King didn't look good today in senior bowl practice. I think your right he'll switch to safety. Cooper kupp is a guy I'm glued on for the 2nd round

I agree. I'd rather take a center than a guard. Elfein or Pocic in the 2nd, or someone like Kyle Fuller in the 3rd. Fuller in particular would be perfect to help us get stronger and more physical in the middle.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I'd rather take elflien, or lamb over feeney. Eflein can play C so had much more value and we already and lamb can play gaurd or tackle, and Lewis seems strong at gaurd.

 King didn't look good today in senior bowl practice. I think your right he'll switch to safety. Cooper kupp is a guy I'm glued on for the 2nd round

i think im a fan of lamp at this point - to the extent that he might be my next favourite guard behind feeney but he's not better and i certainly dont think either of them projects well anywhere other than guard...

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i think im a fan of lamp at this point - to the extent that he might be my next favourite guard behind feeney but he's not better and i certainly dont think either of them projects well anywhere other than guard...

Daniel Jeremiah and mayock are very high on him. They think he's the best gaurd prospect in the league

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

Personally I'm still sticking to my guns and saying Feeney ends up going top 20, the guy is too good to go where he's currently being projected, and the oline class overall being somewhat weak to me says he's going high.

I think it's a Travis Frederick situation where everyone overlooks him because he's not a sexy pick but then someone takes him high, shocks the world, and he dominates. I mocked him to Denver in my 3rd mock. 

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I'd rather take elflien, or lamb over feeney. Eflein can play C so had much more value and we already and lamb can play gaurd or tackle, and Lewis seems strong at gaurd.

 King didn't look good today in senior bowl practice. I think your right he'll switch to safety. Cooper kupp is a guy I'm glued on for the 2nd round

I prefer center as well but I have my concerns about pocic, even though i like him as a prospect and I would love to have him, im not sold that a. He is gonna be available at any point of value and b. He could have real leverage problems. 

Also, I think bookending zuttah with feeney and yanda will make him look a lot better and will ultimately be a bigger boost, especially when you consider that Lewis may have to slide to RT if Wagner leaves.

[RaineV1]

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Also, I think bookending zuttah with feeney and yanda will make him look a lot better and will ultimately be a bigger boost, especially when you consider that Lewis may have to slide to RT if Wagner leaves.

Zuttah has experience as a guard. If we get a center, and lose Wagner, Lewis and Zuttah can both just slide over one spot.

[ravensnation5220]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 

I prefer center as well but I have my concerns about pocic, even though i like him as a prospect and I would love to have him, im not sold that a. He is gonna be available at any point of value and b. He could have real leverage problems. 

Also, I think bookending zuttah with feeney and yanda will make him look a lot better and will ultimately be a bigger boost, especially when you consider that Lewis may have to slide to RT if Wagner leaves.

I never mentioned pocic but ya I don't like him much either 

[JoeyFlex5]

51 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Zuttah has experience as a guard. If we get a center, and lose Wagner, Lewis and Zuttah can both just slide over one spot.

I'd prefer to leave the veteran at center and get a powerful guard, rather than get a rookie center, deal with the inevitable hiccups, while having a weak guard to his left. Mask the deficiencies rather than create 2 new deficiencies.

[ravensnation5220]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd prefer to leave the veteran at center and get a powerful guard, rather than get a rookie center, deal with the inevitable hiccups, while having a weak guard to his left. Mask the deficiencies rather than create 2 new deficiencies.

Idk about that. We like Lewis better at gaurd than tackle and zuttah although reliable, can get injured often and isn't a mauler in the run game. When you can possibly put elflien or lamb there for the next 10 or so years who have the versatility to play gaurd as well then you take them. Cutting zuttah would save a decent amount of money and you can always wait to cut him after the rookies have proven they're ready. They would also have yanda to help mentor them. 

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Idk about that. We like Lewis better at gaurd than tackle and zuttah although reliable, can get injured often and isn't a mauler in the run game. When you can possibly put elflien or lamb there for the next 10 or so years who have the versatility to play gaurd as well then you take them. Cutting zuttah would save a decent amount of money and you can always wait to cut him after the rookies have proven they're ready. They would also have yanda to help mentor them. 

We may not have a choice for Lewis. And zuttah can play both but neither at a high level, his value is as a veteran who has chemistry as our center. I would always rely on 2 great guards and an average veteran center rather than a weak guard and rookie center.

[ravensnation5220]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

We may not have a choice for Lewis. And zuttah can play both but neither at a high level, his value is as a veteran who has chemistry as our center. I would always rely on 2 great guards and an average veteran center rather than a weak guard and rookie center.

Hence why I like lamb. Hes the best gaurd prospect in the class and he's played tackle throughout college. He can learn from Yanda and if zuttah isn't doing well we can always try lamb at C, well see if he can do that throughout senior bowl week. He has the versatility to really play at any position on the oline, I like the idea of keeping zuttah for now and let someone outplay him in camp. 

I'm sorry his name is lamp lol. Every time I see his name I see lamb

Edited January 25 by ravensnation5220

[LordRavens]

I'm officially a Forrest Lamp guy

[Jacquouille]

Heard Feeney played some snaps at C at the Senior Bowl with good results, that's interesting.

[Brandon Grist]

An Extraordinary Player At RT Would Be Taylor Moton From Western Michigan University 

[Jacquouille]

Currently watching the Senior Bowl, very impressed by Jon Toth, C, Kentucky. Both strong and quick to get to the second level, smart in his placement.

[Somerset Ravens]

53 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Currently watching the Senior Bowl, very impressed by Jon Toth, C, Kentucky. Both strong and quick to get to the second level, smart in his placement.

Toth did look good.  What round do you think we could get him? 

[raven94]

1 hour ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Toth did look good.  What round do you think we could get him? 

I've been a big proponent of Toth for a long time now and based off of most mocks and everything else out there he's projected (like Jay Guillermo) to be a later round pick somewhere around 4-6. If I can wait until the 5th to get him I would call that a great deal. That would be a steal at that point

[Somerset Ravens]

8 hours ago, raven94 said:

I've been a big proponent of Toth for a long time now and based off of most mocks and everything else out there he's projected (like Jay Guillermo) to be a later round pick somewhere around 4-6. If I can wait until the 5th to get him I would call that a great deal. That would be a steal at that point

I would be thrilled if we got Toth in the 4th round.

[Jacquouille]

Tbh I would take him with our 3rd round comp pick.

[ellicottraven]

In an ideal world we should be able to snag a top pass rushing or CB talent with our #16 pick. I'm hoping a couple of QBs get picked before us and that there is no run on CBs before we get to pick. If one of these players becomes available I'll be thrilled. Barnett, Randle, Fournette, Mike Williams, Lattimore, Sidney Jones or Malik Hooker. Just any one on this list will make me thrilled. But, its entirely likely that all of them may be gone by the time we pick.

[ALPHA]

Forrest Lamp with our first?