2017 O line

[jboy19]

44 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Whitehair had a bad combine, and looked weak during the benchpress part. It just goes to show how little that part actually means to someone's ability to play o-lineman.

It seems like OL having success at the combine is more consistent with them not being successful in the league. Theres definitely some exceptions like Terron Armstead. But combine performances generally seem to make bad players get drafted higher at every position.  

[JoeyFlex5]

On 12/25/2016 at 11:43 AM, Darhk_Raven said:

Has anyone read Matt Miller's latest scouting report? In it he asked a scout did he see any OL getting a round one grade and the scouts response was "he'll no." What are you guys thoughts on this?

Bad tackle class. Top heavy interior class. Nelson, feeney, elflein, and pocic make up the best Top 4 interior linemen in recent memory.

[ravensnation5220]

Jay Guillermo the center from Clemson had himself a great game vs osu. He was the highest graded offensive player for Clemson and seems to be a very underrated prospect. His teammate Tyrone Crowder also had a great game as they both had the best run blocking grades of the game. Both players caught my attention for sure. 

[GrimCoconut]

42 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Jay Guillermo the center from Clemson had himself a great game vs osu. He was the highest graded offensive player for Clemson and seems to be a very underrated prospect. His teammate Tyrone Crowder also had a great game as they both had the best run blocking grades of the game. Both players caught my attention for sure. 

Yes, Jay is one of the better centers and isn't really discussed much but he's got quite a bit of upside. He's a really good run blocker but he has a lot of upside as a pass protector. He's a guy I like if we don't go center early. 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Jay Guillermo the center from Clemson had himself a great game vs osu. He was the highest graded offensive player for Clemson and seems to be a very underrated prospect. His teammate Tyrone Crowder also had a great game as they both had the best run blocking grades of the game. Both players caught my attention for sure. 

ive quietly liked guillermo myself. hes weird though, hes a technician but hes built like a monster mauler. what is he 6'1" 330 or something? great feet and agility too, but oddly with that build he lacks a mean streak and plays ronnie stanley ball in the run game, shield then downfield. which is fine and all, and id take him in the 3rd, but i would like to see some better leg churning driving blocks in the run game from a guy his size.

[BmoreBird22]

On 12/25/2016 at 0:01 PM, Jacquouille said:

Disagree. There are at least two interior OL I'd take in the first, namely Elflein and Nelson. I think the scout thought more about the OT class because otherwise it's solid enough.

Have to believe Feeney is ahead of those two. But even on the tackle front, Robinson and Ramcyzk (sp?) should be first rounders.

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Have to believe Feeney is ahead of those two. But even on the tackle front, Robinson and Ramcyzk (sp?) should be first rounders.

We don't really need Cam Robinson because we have Stanley. If we were to draft a center I like Pocic out of LSU

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Gruntled Ravens Fan said:

We don't really need Cam Robinson because we have Stanley. If we were to draft a center I like Pocic out of LSU

I just meant the tackle class is pretty good. I think those two will push the interior guys down the board a bit.

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I just meant the tackle class is pretty good. I think those two will push the interior guys down the board a bit.

Oh ok, I misunderstood what you meant, my mistake. Yeah hopefully we can snag them in the 3rd-4th round because we all know how Ozzie hates trading up to get quality players.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Gruntled Ravens Fan said:

Oh ok, I misunderstood what you meant, my mistake. Yeah hopefully we can snag them in the 3rd-4th round because we all know how Ozzie hates trading up to get quality players.

I don't know that you'll snag them with the original third, but someone like Pocic or Nelson might slip a bit and be a trade up target.

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't know that you'll snag them with the original third, but someone like Pocic or Nelson might slip a bit and be a trade up target.

I'm figuring they will go around late 2nd early 3rd, so if either of those two are within reasonable trade-up distance, then by all means we need to get them.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Gruntled Ravens Fan said:

I'm figuring they will go around late 2nd early 3rd, so if either of those two are within reasonable trade-up distance, then by all means we need to get them.

I'd love to walk out with a combo of Sydney Jones-Lawson-Nelson

[Jacquouille]

13 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Have to believe Feeney is ahead of those two. But even on the tackle front, Robinson and Ramcyzk (sp?) should be first rounders.

Jury is a bit out on Feeney. His tape is monstruous but he had a very unproductive season with his concussion and playing at RT. Want to see how he does at the SB.

Didn't watch any of the T class, but I did hear the consensus is it's historically weak.

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd love to walk out with a combo of Sydney Jones-Lawson-Nelson

That would be insane...even better if Tim Williams slips due to the character concerns and we get those guys whoa

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd love to walk out with a combo of Sydney Jones-Lawson-Nelson

If we can get just one of those players that'd be great. 

 

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

That would be insane...even better if Tim Williams slips due to the character concerns and we get those guys whoa

I think we should get Williams with our 1st rounder, and not try and let him slip. We lost out on both Noah Spence and Kevin Dodd because we kept thinking they would slip to us and instead we draft KC

Edited January 1 by Gruntled Ravens Fan

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

Jury is a bit out on Feeney. His tape is monstruous but he had a very unproductive season with his concussion and playing at RT. Want to see how he does at the SB.

Didn't watch any of the T class, but I did hear the consensus is it's historically weak.

Not that it means a ton, but I've seen a few scouts and different mock sites that have him as their top guy.

The only two tackles I've heard anything about is Ramczyk (or however it's spelled) and Robinson. Both are viewed as first rounders. After that? Haven't heard a peep.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, Gruntled Ravens Fan said:

If we can get just one of those players that'd be great. 

 

I think we should get Williams with our 1st rounder, and not try and let him slip. We lost out on both Noah Spence and Kevin Dodd because we kept thinking they would slip to us and instead we draft KC

we didnt lose spence because we thought he would slip, we didnt want him. everyone and their mother knew spence had zero chance of falling past tampa.

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Not that it means a ton, but I've seen a few scouts and different mock sites that have him as their top guy.

The only two tackles I've heard anything about is Ramczyk (or however it's spelled) and Robinson. Both are viewed as first rounders. After that? Haven't heard a peep.

What would you think about drafting Dan Skipper from Arkansas? He's 6'9 and has a mean streak to him.

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

we didnt lose spence because we thought he would slip, we didnt want him. everyone and their mother knew spence had zero chance of falling past tampa.

I didn't know we didn't want him. I know just about every "expert" said we should get him because he can play both 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, and having Suggs and Dumervil train him would help him immensely.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Gruntled Ravens Fan said:

What would you think about drafting Dan Skipper from Arkansas? He's 6'9 and has a mean streak to him.

I'll be completely honest in saying that I'm not one to really watch too many games outside of the ACC (I'm a Hokie alum), so I wouldn't have even known to watch his name in the Belk Bowl. BUT, I think Wagner is back and at that point, you have Lewis as a potential swing tackle and Yanda can also kick outside when needed. I don't think adding a T will be a priority in this draft.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'll be completely honest in saying that I'm not one to really watch too many games outside of the ACC (I'm a Hokie alum), so I wouldn't have even known to watch his name in the Belk Bowl. BUT, I think Wagner is back and at that point, you have Lewis as a potential swing tackle and Yanda can also kick outside when needed. I don't think adding a T will be a priority in this draft.

Agreed. I'd rather we tackle (pun certainly intended) interior OL like C or G than T. 

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'll be completely honest in saying that I'm not one to really watch too many games outside of the ACC (I'm a Hokie alum), so I wouldn't have even known to watch his name in the Belk Bowl. BUT, I think Wagner is back and at that point, you have Lewis as a potential swing tackle and Yanda can also kick outside when needed. I don't think adding a T will be a priority in this draft.

Yeah with the way Stanley and Wagner played, its not a real priority but I say if he's there in the 6-7th rounds take a flyer on him and hope he can become a quality depth player. Besides, he can't be any worse than Jah Reid was for us.

[RaineV1]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Agreed. I'd rather we tackle (pun certainly intended) interior OL like C or G than T. 

I'll second this. With Stanley, Wagner, and Lewis we can get by with our tackles. Yanda can even play tackle in an emergency. But we badly need a stronger interior line.

[jboy19]

I think that Ramczyk and Bolles are the only legitimate LT prospects I'd consider in this draft (and neither has declared yet). Robinson won't be an NFL LT, but he could probably be an average RT or guard, he's probably going to go in Round 1 even though he shouldn't. 

[Cillmatic]

Are we all in agreement that Lewis should return to LG and that Wagner should be retained? If so, I think we have a really good template, all we gotta do is add a GOOD center and we'll be really good on that front.

[RaineV1]

Since the Ravens are picking in middle of the round, I think there's a good chance for a great center to fall to us. Elflein, Pocic, or Orlosky would be great pick for us.

[L.J.50]

Ethan Pocic - 6'7 315; Hes projected to go in the second round.. He reminds me of a bigger Matt Birk.

[L.J.50]

17 hours ago, Gruntled Ravens Fan said:

What would you think about drafting Dan Skipper from Arkansas? He's 6'9 and has a mean streak to him.

I didn't know we didn't want him. I know just about every "expert" said we should get him because he can play both 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, and having Suggs and Dumervil train him would help him immensely.

I've watched Skipper a lot; I'm just concern with his bend against NFL pass rusher he has really slow feet..

[L.J.50]

It would be nice to pick up Tim Williams in the first and Ethan Pocic in the second

[jboy19]

Garett Bolles declared for the draft (Pictured in my profile pic because for a while I thought he could fall to the Ravens, but I don't think he will at this point). I think he's a stud in both the run and pass game and should be the first OL off the board (or maybe Ramczyk if he declares). 

[January J]

On 1/1/2017 at 11:06 PM, Cillmatic said:

Are we all in agreement that Lewis should return to LG and that Wagner should be retained? If so, I think we have a really good template, all we gotta do is add a GOOD center and we'll be really good on that front.

I know I am. That should definitely be the plan. Veteran center through FA or to draft one is the question.

On 1/2/2017 at 11:10 AM, L.J.50 said:

It would be nice to pick up Tim Williams in the first and Ethan Pocic in the second

I'd be very pleased with that. Then try to trade back up Into the early third for whatever corner or WR slips the most- depending on which position we address in FA.

But yeah 1) Pass rush 2) Center 3) WR/ CB is pretty much the order of priorities.

If we get a veteran center in FA then we can go 1) Pass rush 2) CB 3) WR. 

Either way Bisciotti is NOT letting Ozzie or harbs walk out that war room without a legit pass rusher in the first round UNLESS we've got a surefire WR or DB on the board that  drops down such as Peppers.

Edited January 5 by January J