2017 O line

[Jacquouille]

6 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Lol. What's wrong Alex Lewis? He was playing very good for a rookie until he got injured.

Yes. But 

1) Iron sharpens Iron. 

2) Wagner may not be here longer.

3) Are you fine with Ducasse and a banged up Yanda?

[Jacquouille]

Really though, Quenton Nelson is a freaking monster. Absolutely destroys his guy on every single play

[ravensnation5220]

52 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Really though, Quenton Nelson is a freaking monster. Absolutely destroys his guy on every single play

Ya he really does. This gaurd class is looking much better than i anticipated. Thinking we could grab either him, elfein or feeney in the second. Im sure one of them are bound to be there....hopefully. if not then dorian johnson is a solid pick

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Really though, Quenton Nelson is a freaking monster. Absolutely destroys his guy on every single play

Agreed. That guy is a steamroller plain and simple, but he plays with good leverage and technique and athleticism as well. Looking at this whole class, I think he may be the safest pick after garrett, allen, and fournette. Positional value just isn't there for him.

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Agreed. That guy is a steamroller plain and simple, but he plays with good leverage and technique and athleticism as well. Looking at this whole class, I think he may be the safest pick after garrett, allen, and fournette. Positional value just isn't there for him.

Is he the top gaurd in this class then? The more I look into all these interior lineman the better I notice the class is. I'm having a hard time figuring out how to rank them, I'm just looking at guys who could fall into the second round because I think there will be a bpa player fall to us in the first round seeing how deep this entire draft class is and their value will be worth more than an interior lineman unless we're picking late 1st round then I don't mind picking a guy like Nelson. 

Also How do you feel about the Michigan oline between Ben Braden and Kyle kalis?

[Cillmatic]

19 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Yes. But 

1) Iron sharpens Iron. 

2) Wagner may not be here longer.

3) Are you fine with Ducasse and a banged up Yanda?

Yanda will be fine by next season(which is the same time this hypothetical rookie guard would play. Lewis is good, we don't need to waste a pick on sharpening another player.

[Ravenskid52752]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Agreed. That guy is a steamroller plain and simple, but he plays with good leverage and technique and athleticism as well. Looking at this whole class, I think he may be the safest pick after garrett, allen, and fournette. Positional value just isn't there for him.

Even tho I like Dan Feenay better Quenton Nelson is a beast in the ground game .pass blocking needs a little work but like I said before I like him but I think Feenay right now is more complete all around guard but Nelson is rising tho. 

Edited November 30, 2016 by Ravenskid52752

[ravensnation5220]

I was on record saying i dont like the idea of double dipping at interior oline and got quite a few neggs for it......after looking deeper into the class i can see where i went wrong. Theres plenty of talent to be had and we could definitely use the depth and possibly a plug and play starter or two. Im glad to be on board with this finally ?

[JoeyFlex5]

11 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Is he the top gaurd in this class then? The more I look into all these interior lineman the better I notice the class is. I'm having a hard time figuring out how to rank them, I'm just looking at guys who could fall into the second round because I think there will be a bpa player fall to us in the first round seeing how deep this entire draft class is and their value will be worth more than an interior lineman unless we're picking late 1st round then I don't mind picking a guy like Nelson. 

Also How do you feel about the Michigan oline between Ben Braden and Kyle kalis?

In my opinion nelson is the top guard with feeney only slightly behind him due to being a cleaner pass protector. But as far as run blocking goes nelson is head and shoulders above all else. And I'm one of those people who emphasize pass pro from tackles and power from guards, I think if your tackles are good in pass pro and your center is well balanced then you can afford to sacrifice some pass pro from your guards for the sake of raw power. So I like nelson better. 

Although I wouldn't argue with anyone saying feeney is better.

I haven't looked at the Michigan OL yet so idk. my current ranking for the interior is... 

1. Nelson 

2. Elflein

3. Feeney 

4. Pocic

5. Are

That stretches to the 3rd round. It kinda falls off after that but that's a special top end. Guillermo would be worth a 4th round look I think, he needs work in the run game but he is great in pass pro and has the build to play the run well, he just doesn't seem to have a mean streak. The right coaching could have him plowing in the run game despite that though, not every mailer has a mean streak.

[ravefan52]

Arkansas center Frank Ragnow doesn't get talked about enough. He's really really good and it sounds like he might declare. 

[jboy19]

Saw on twitter that Utah's left tackle- Garett Bolles is considering going pro. He has one year of eligibility left, but he's already 24. I've only seen a little bit of him, but the dude could be a mauler, from the RT or guard spots.  

[Dewy101]

On 11/30/2016 at 6:09 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

In my opinion nelson is the top guard with feeney only slightly behind him due to being a cleaner pass protector. But as far as run blocking goes nelson is head and shoulders above all else. And I'm one of those people who emphasize pass pro from tackles and power from guards, I think if your tackles are good in pass pro and your center is well balanced then you can afford to sacrifice some pass pro from your guards for the sake of raw power. So I like nelson better. 

Although I wouldn't argue with anyone saying feeney is better.

I haven't looked at the Michigan OL yet so idk. my current ranking for the interior is... 

1. Nelson 

2. Elflein

3. Feeney 

4. Pocic

5. Are

That stretches to the 3rd round. It kinda falls off after that but that's a special top end. Guillermo would be worth a 4th round look I think, he needs work in the run game but he is great in pass pro and has the build to play the run well, he just doesn't seem to have a mean streak. The right coaching could have him plowing in the run game despite that though, not every mailer has a mean streak.

How do you not have Frank Ragnow on this list?

[Cillmatic]

Hate to break it to our guys but we're not picking a O-lineman in the the first two or three rounds. WR, CB and pass rusher are much bigger needs.

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

Hate to break it to our guys but we're not picking a O-lineman in the the first two or three rounds. WR, CB and pass rusher are much bigger needs.

When have we ever drafted solely based on our needs?  Remember that we had 2 straight years that we drafted ILB, S, and DL in the first 3 rounds.  You could argue that only have of those were true needs at the time we drafted them.

[jboy19]

3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Hate to break it to our guys but we're not picking a O-lineman in the the first two or three rounds. WR, CB and pass rusher are much bigger needs.

If Wagner leaves, OL is just as much a need as those positions. 

Edited December 13, 2016 by jboy19

[Jacquouille]

9 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Hate to break it to our guys but we're not picking a O-lineman in the the first two or three rounds. WR, CB and pass rusher are much bigger needs.

The last time we picked because of need, we ended up with a S who screwed the game last night, and a LB who's ending up as a practice quad body.

[ravensnation5220]

after seeing how Dixon looked yesterday. We really need some run blocking guards. Elfein and Dorian johnson are the first who come to mind. Pitt has the best yards per run in between the tackles in the country and Johnson is a big part of that. Elfein has the consistency you look for and durability we need on the inside(40 consecutive games played). Dixon was breaking tackles from defensive lineman and linebackers! If we can get him to the second level.......watch out DBs..beast mode 2.0 coming right for you

[RaineV1]

7 hours ago, jboy19 said:

If Wagner leaves, OL is just as much a need as those positions. 

Even without Wagner leaving I'd still say it's one of the biggest needs.

[Cillmatic]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

The last time we picked because of need, we ended up with a S who screwed the game last night, and a LB who's ending up as a practice quad body.

So what was Ronnie Stanley? 

[balfan23]

15 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Hate to break it to our guys but we're not picking a O-lineman in the the first two or three rounds. WR, CB and pass rusher are much bigger needs.

Drop WR from that list and add OL. Just my opinion. Not talking 1st rounder or anything, maybe not second .. but by the 3rd, I wouldn't be at all surprised. 

You've been around .... you know how this works ... if there is a stud O lineman when we're on the clock that we value highly, we're taking him.

[RaineV1]

40 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

So what was Ronnie Stanley? 

Stanley was legitimately one of the top five guys available in that draft.

[balfan23]

2 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Stanley was legitimately one of the top five guys available in that draft.

It is going to be interesting to see him continue to develop. Since he missed time, he's been steadily getting more and more solid. He's really looking like the real deal. As the FO said, they had to nail that one and they apparently did. 

[JoeyFlex5]

16 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

The last time we picked because of need, we ended up with a S who screwed the game last night, and a LB who's ending up as a practice quad body.

After looking at it again, that was weddles play. No way he should be cheating up that far in that situation. Elam lost footing and blew coverage, but weddle blew his assignment. That is more inexcusable to me than an athletic failure. Although weddle will get a pass because he's been our best FA signing since SSS and Elam has been a dumpster fire.

[JoeyFlex5]

16 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

after seeing how Dixon looked yesterday. We really need some run blocking guards. Elfein and Dorian johnson are the first who come to mind. Pitt has the best yards per run in between the tackles in the country and Johnson is a big part of that. Elfein has the consistency you look for and durability we need on the inside(40 consecutive games played). Dixon was breaking tackles from defensive lineman and linebackers! If we can get him to the second level.......watch out DBs..beast mode 2.0 coming right for you

Quenton Nelson is legitimately the best run blocking guard in the nation. He is a monster of a man and he plays with excellent awareness and technique. He can get too committed in pass blocking though and end up missing late stunts and blitzes, but that can definitely be coached up.

[ravensnation5220]

On 12/14/2016 at 10:33 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Quenton Nelson is legitimately the best run blocking guard in the nation. He is a monster of a man and he plays with excellent awareness and technique. He can get too committed in pass blocking though and end up missing late stunts and blitzes, but that can definitely be coached up.

Agree on nelson, and with yanda helping him while playing alongside his former teamate. Its a great match for both sides. 

CodyO' connor is another gaurd from Washington st. Kid is a monster at 6-8 350.

Will hernandez from Utep also has the best run blocking grade of any gaurd in the country and its not even close according to pro football focus. Although level of competition isnt great. 

 

[Wildabeast88]

I would be fine with 2 interior lineman if Wagner leaves I still have faith in Urschel I may be in the minority there but we certainly need at least 1 solid guy up front and if Lewis moves to RT next year than 2 for sure. 

[JoeyFlex5]

On 12/15/2016 at 5:51 PM, ravensnation5220 said:

Agree on nelson, and with yanda helping him while playing alongside his former teamate. Its a great match for both sides. 

CodyO' connor is another gaurd from Washington st. Kid is a monster at 6-8 350.

Will hernandez from Utep also has the best run blocking grade of any gaurd in the country and its not even close according to pro football focus. Although level of competition isnt great. 

 

A 6'8" guard in the NFL sounds like a weeble wobble to me. Lol

[reed20]

Im becoming more into the idea of drafting a guard in the first and a center in the second now. Our offensive line is so close to being elite.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, reed20 said:

Im becoming more into the idea of drafting a guard in the first and a center in the second now. Our offensive line is so close to being elite.

Nelson or feeney in the first And elflein in the 2nd gives us a line comparable to the cowboys which would stay together for the next 3 years minimum(assuming Lewis is a quality RT)

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, reed20 said:

Im becoming more into the idea of drafting a guard in the first and a center in the second now. Our offensive line is so close to being elite.

 

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Nelson or feeney in the first And elflein in the 2nd gives us a line comparable to the cowboys which would stay together for the next 3 years minimum(assuming Lewis is a quality RT)

I'm not sure we need to change the whole OL. Zuttah has put it together lately, so getting one of Nelson/Feeney/Elflein or even Pocic/Johnson would push our OLine to top 10, possibly top5. A bit of quality depth with guys like Damien Mama or Kyle Fuller on Day3 would be the icing on the cake.

 

Let's not forget we also want a CB, Pass rusher and a WR...