2017 O line

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

1) Just out of curiosity, which players?

2) I think Lewis is progressing very quickly at LG. We may want to find more depth but I believe he's our starter of the future. 

3) Imo we lack some push from our C position. Zuttah's nice but the more I think about it the more I believe he's playing a large role in our run game struggles.

I'd be more inclined to bet he's the future at RT.

[Jacquouille]

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd be more inclined to bet he's the future at RT.

Was my opinion too before this season but he seems to really feel more confortable at G

[ALPHA]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

1) Just out of curiosity, which players?

2) I think Lewis is progressing very quickly at LG. We may want to find more depth but I believe he's our starter of the future. 

3) Imo we lack some push from our C position. Zuttah's nice but the more I think about it the more I believe he's playing a large role in our run game struggles.

Brandon Brooks, he signed for less than we offered KO ($8M) and Stefan Wisniewski who signed for 1.5M a year. Both have scheme diverse traits and can cover multiple positions.

Lewis is probably our future RT, hes not really suited for the interior. There are tall guards but the better ones are powerhouse maulers.

[rmw10]

33 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Was my opinion too before this season but he seems to really feel more confortable at G

To be fair, we haven't seen him at RT yet.  He struggled at LT, but pretty much any reserve is going to struggle when placed there.  I'm not opposed to leaving Lewis at G, but I think it's easier to find someone to play G than RT.  I think Lewis at RT has been their plan all along, but they surely could deviate from that.

[Cawtious]

On ‎11‎/‎13‎/‎2016 at 3:21 AM, hn68wb4 said:

 Last I heard about Jensen was that he was working with practice squad guys and we chose to start Ducasse over him last game - if that's not a sign that he's done for us then I don't know what is.

That's what a player does when they're not going to dress.  Saying that is a sign that he is done.....I seriously doubt that.  Ducasse got a shot for some game time to keep him motivated and sharp.   He played rather marginally which isn't a surprise.  He's not had a start in a while.  It was a good game to bring him up as the Browns aren't the best.  I think you'll see Jensen again...........soon.

I wouldn't read too much into last week.  Now with Lewis more than likely done for the regular season, Yanda a big ??? and Zuttah is nursing an ankle, we'll need Vlad, Urschel and Jensen.

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

To be fair, we haven't seen him at RT yet.  He struggled at LT, but pretty much any reserve is going to struggle when placed there.  I'm not opposed to leaving Lewis at G, but I think it's easier to find someone to play G than RT.  I think Lewis at RT has been their plan all along, but they surely could deviate from that.

Yeah, but if we're going Draft perspective, while it's a weak T class, there's a pretty nice pool at RT while the OG class is pretty thin. The C class could have some nice surprises like Mason Cole or Kyle Fuller that seem to provide nice push in the run game.

I'm saying this because I'm not entirely sure Lewis is RT bond, even more so if we manage to keep Wagner.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I would like to think we give Rick Wagner a chance @ value contract.   The guy started @ RT and was a top 5 starter at that position since his draft year.   

Wagner had the injury, but give the guy a chance.   Lewis can be our guard

[ALPHA]

Lael Collins could be a trade option next offseason, he has huge upside and physical traits and might have lost his starting role due to injury.

[BmoreBird22]

14 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Lael Collins could be a trade option next offseason, he has huge upside and physical traits and might have lost his starting role due to injury.

I don't think the Cowboys would be in a hurry to trade a first round talent in year three with a minimal cap hit.

[hn68wb4]

16 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Lael Collins could be a trade option next offseason, he has huge upside and physical traits and might have lost his starting role due to injury.

There's no way they're trading Collins...

[JoeyFlex5]

theres a pretty wide sweeping attitude on these boards that suggest that any player who isnt in a starting role, for any reason, should be cut or traded. cut perriman because hes injured, cut shareece wright because hes a solid depth guy forced into taking too big of a role, cut correa because he hasnt produced in the first 10 weeks of his career, TRADE LA'EL COLLINS BECAUSE HES INJURED... where do these thoughts come from?

[ALPHA]

On 11/19/2016 at 4:28 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

theres a pretty wide sweeping attitude on these boards that suggest that any player who isnt in a starting role, for any reason, should be cut or traded. cut perriman because hes injured, cut shareece wright because hes a solid depth guy forced into taking too big of a role, cut correa because he hasnt produced in the first 10 weeks of his career, TRADE LA'EL COLLINS BECAUSE HES INJURED... where do these thoughts come from?

I literally said none of these things I said Collins could be a trade option next season, he's not just hurt they're getting better production from his replacement. No need to get testy over nothing.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

I literally said none of these things I said Collins could be a trade option next season, he's not just hurt they're getting better production from his replacement. No need to get testy over nothing.

i said its a wide sweeping attitude, meaning you see suggestions like this very often from lots of people, and they never make any sense. wasnt singling you out with that whole statement ive just noticed lately so many people make super snap judgements deciding certain players  are gonna be cut or traded for almost no reason.

[ALPHA]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i said its a wide sweeping attitude, meaning you see suggestions like this very often from lots of people, and they never make any sense. wasnt singling you out with that whole statement ive just noticed lately so many people make super snap judgements deciding certain players  are gonna be cut or traded for almost no reason.

I can't speak on anyone else I just like bouncing ideas around and yes some of them are going to be longshots or unpopular but we're not all going to agree on everything, I got roasted for saying Conklin and Whitehair were the best linemen in the draft (and they are). Anyways no harm, no foul, you're still one of my favorite posters.

Edited November 20, 2016 by ALPHA

[JoeyFlex5]

40 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I can't speak on anyone else I just like bouncing ideas around and yes some of them are going to be longshots or unpopular but we're not all going to agree on everything, I got roasted for saying Conklin and Whitehair were the best linemen in the draft (and they are). Anyways no harm, no foul, you're still one of my favorite posters.

stanley without injuries may have you singing a different tune lol but i guess well have to wait til year 2 to find out. 

but yeah my bad it came off as an attack i guess, but it wasnt intended to lol. and thanks! 

[Dewy101]

On 11/15/2016 at 5:19 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd be more inclined to bet he's the future at RT.

I thought that too but he's just too good at LG. I think we need to find replacements for Wagner and Zuttah

[JoeyFlex5]

13 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

I thought that too but he's just too good at LG. I think we need to find replacements for Wagner and Zuttah

hes been alright at LG. he has been a bit soft against those big DTs because he doesnt have the center of gravity to get push against those kinds of players. in theory it should be easy to upgrade at LG from Lewis and make a lateral move at RT by sliding him over there, assuming he is a good RT of course, which i think he will be.

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

hes been alright at LG. he has been a bit soft against those big DTs because he doesnt have the center of gravity to get push against those kinds of players. in theory it should be easy to upgrade at LG from Lewis and make a lateral move at RT by sliding him over there, assuming he is a good RT of course, which i think he will be.

I think he struggled in those areas early, but really improved in the past couple of games before his injury.  He looked much improved in the run game.  I still think he's likely to switch over to RT, but I'm definitely not opposed to leaving him at G either.  If those last 2 games of his are any indication, he could be a good one.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think he struggled in those areas early, but really improved in the past couple of games before his injury.  He looked much improved in the run game.  I still think he's likely to switch over to RT, but I'm definitely not opposed to leaving him at G either.  If those last 2 games of his are any indication, he could be a good one.

oh im not opposed to it either, and he could still improve, i just think he appears to be a natural RT, skill set and build and all. i think he could be better there if his college tape is any indication. i also think you could do better at LG for a relatively small investment, like a 3rd round pick.

[Dewy101]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

hes been alright at LG. he has been a bit soft against those big DTs because he doesnt have the center of gravity to get push against those kinds of players. in theory it should be easy to upgrade at LG from Lewis and make a lateral move at RT by sliding him over there, assuming he is a good RT of course, which i think he will be.

I'm not very confident in that he struggled at LT and there's probably better edge rushers in the league that line up against RTs. He's played on the left side his whole career.  I think it would be difficult for him to slide over to RT. 

[ravensnation5220]

I am very torn...... i see left gaurd as a major need. Ever since yanda moved there our offensive line has seemed much better. I think him being there helps stanley a ton. Now we need to draft one so yanda can go back to his natural right side. However im torn between 2 prospects

Quenton Nelson and dorian johnson

Nelson seems like the best choice, hes strong at the poin of attack and is well rounded in pass protection.  Extends his arms and stops defenders in their tracks. Hes also familiar with stanley as they played together on that left side last year so that would help our chemistry

However......nelson is more of a power running scheme type oline man. Johnson is betterr fit for the zone. Anyone think we still have a zone running scheme or do you think since kubiak and trestman are gone weve abondoned that idea. Cause in my mind nelson is the better pick if we want to beef up the oline while johnson is more of a pull gaurd who can block well in space

 

 

[Jacquouille]

40 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I am very torn...... i see left gaurd as a major need. Ever since yanda moved there our offensive line has seemed much better. I think him being there helps stanley a ton. Now we need to draft one so yanda can go back to his natural right side. However im torn between 2 prospects

Quenton Nelson and dorian johnson

Nelson seems like the best choice, hes strong at the poin of attack and is well rounded in pass protection.  Extends his arms and stops defenders in their tracks. Hes also familiar with stanley as they played together on that left side last year so that would help our chemistry

However......nelson is more of a power running scheme type oline man. Johnson is betterr fit for the zone. Anyone think we still have a zone running scheme or do you think since kubiak and trestman are gone weve abondoned that idea. Cause in my mind nelson is the better pick if we want to beef up the oline while johnson is more of a pull gaurd who can block well in space

Good post.

I've got ways to go before I can tell the differences between OL schemes, so I'll have difficulty analyzing Nelson as a fit or not.

What I can say is that Nelson will probably go 1 round before Johnson. He's a much better mauler, however Johnson is the fastest puller I've witnessed in this draft and even before. It's freaking fast and there's no wasted movement.

EDIT: Also, I believe Nelson has the benefit of having already worked with Stanley, so there would be instant reltionship between them.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Jacquouille

[Ravenskid52752]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Good post.

I've got ways to go before I can tell the differences between OL schemes, so I'll have difficulty analyzing Nelson as a fit or not.

What I can say is that Nelson will probably go 1 round before Johnson. He's a much better mauler, however Johnson is the fastest puller I've witnessed in this draft and even before. It's freaking fast and there's no wasted movement.

EDIT: Also, I believe Nelson has the benefit of having already worked with Stanley, so there would be instant reltionship between them.

I like quenton Nelson but id think hes a first rounder he looked really bad against USC over the weekend if he's there now the 2nd sure but first no i don't see it. 

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

I like quenton Nelson but id think hes a first rounder he looked really bad against USC over the weekend if he's there now the 2nd sure but first no i don't see it. 

I just watched the tape against usc and i dont think he was that bad. 

What do you think of dorian johnson from pitt? He played very well vs clemson, he moves very well too justt isnt very strong at the point of attack.

[Cillmatic]

Lol. What's wrong Alex Lewis? He was playing very good for a rookie until he got injured.

[RaineV1]

For future guard, I want Billy Price from Ohio in the 2nd round. I think he can be every bit as good as KO was.

[balfan23]

I'm not going to make any statements on exactly who we should draft in 2017 for the O line, just that we need to draft for the O line as one of our key positions to build on. We have to be out of this mode where, if any one of key guys gets hurt, we've got big problems. 

[jboy19]

A couple weeks ago, I was convinced that Wagner was out, but he's stepped up over the past couple weeks, I think it'll take between 6 and 7 mil at least to lock him up (going off the Schraeder deal), possibly 8 or 9 if he hits the open market.  It's a tough call for me, but I'd lean towards resigning him and looking for a center in the draft. but I wondered what you guys thought. 

[Ravenskid52752]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I just watched the tape against usc and i dont think he was that bad. 

What do you think of dorian johnson from pitt? He played very well vs clemson, he moves very well too justt isnt very strong at the point of attack.

I like Dorian Johnson he's in that late  2nd mid 3rd round range for me.  moves well in space they had him. At tackle his first couple years at Pitt then moved him to guard. Reminds me of Ronald Leary from the Cowboys 

[Ravenskid52752]

38 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

A couple weeks ago, I was convinced that Wagner was out, but he's stepped up over the past couple weeks, I think it'll take between 6 and 7 mil at least to lock him up (going off the Schraeder deal), possibly 8 or 9 if he hits the open market.  It's a tough call for me, but I'd lean towards resigning him and looking for a center in the draft. but I wondered what you guys thought. 

Pretty sure the Ravens will have a new center next year via the draft

Pat Eflein Ohio State

Tyler Orlosky West Virginia 

Kyle Fuller Baylor