2017 O line

[rmw10]

Just now, PurpleCity5 said:

I think Lewis will be put at RT as well. He's a solid pass blocker and has plenty of potential at run blocking. Rick Wagner broke out his 2nd year and I think the team would be hoping the same for Lewis. He's surely further along the curve than most young OLs. Him and Stanley would give us a good and young tandem of tackles. Reps he's getting now should help. Zuttah has done well but don't you think the team would like to upgrade? I personally think Zuttah sticks it out for the off-season but will have to compete with a draft pick. Just don't know what you're going to get from Zuttah IMO. I think we just flat out would like to throw out a great OL out there. I think we fill in LG via FA. 

Outside of the start of this season, I've always thought Zuttah takes a lot of crap for no reason.  While I understand the reservations, he's still been a solid player for the most part.  If you can upgrade, sure, do it.  If you can't though, I personally have no problems with keeping Zuttah for another year.  The salary would be the issue there, though.

[Jacquouille]

Why is everyone assuming we need a new LG? I thought both Jensen and Urschel did very well.

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I think Lewis will be put at RT as well. He's a solid pass blocker and has plenty of potential at run blocking. Rick Wagner broke out his 2nd year and I think the team would be hoping the same for Lewis. He's surely further along the curve than most young OLs. Him and Stanley would give us a good and young tandem of tackles. Reps he's getting now should help. Zuttah has done well but don't you think the team would like to upgrade? I personally think Zuttah sticks it out for the off-season but will have to compete with a draft pick. Just don't know what you're going to get from Zuttah IMO. I think we just flat out would like to throw out a great OL out there. I think we fill in LG via FA. 

At the moment I just don't see anyone out there worth getting at Center, I think we might be forced to use a draft pick at one of the guard/center spots and center seems very likely.. I think with the young pass rushers we have in Judon, Correa, Smith, that we would prefer to just outright sign a pass rusher. It's a position that I expect we fill in via FA along with drafting one early. Just think one of the G/C spots have to be filled in via the draft, while Zuttah is an option at C, I just think the team would prefer to move on from him overall. I think Zuttah has played well lately but I think we would just like to upgrade. A Center should be there in the 2nd or 3rd round, IMO it just makes sense that we go after one via the draft because FA seems very limited in terms of free agent Centers. 

I agree on Lewis at RT. It seems to be the clear solution, but we never know since right now Lewis is still at LG as far as I know if Stanley returns. I suspect that will continue. KO wasn't all that good at RT but was OK, but he lit it up at LG. I wonder if Lewis is the anti-KO where he was OK at LG but lights it up at RT? I think we'd like to upgrade but upgrading a center is easier said than done and isn't likely we just cut a guy because we want to upgrade. I think that's a common misconception. Also, I'm not sure we want the turnover, either. It would be different if we have the LG position set, and if we decide to keep Lewis there then maybe this move makes sense--cutting Zuttah. You'd want to keep as much continuity on the interior OL as possible. You wouldn't want to start a new LG and a new C because that could be disastrous. I think pass rusher is also likely in FA, but I think that largely depends on Suggs and Dumervil's future. We need a youthful and explosive pass rusher not necessarily experience. 

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Outside of the start of this season, I've always thought Zuttah takes a lot of crap for no reason.  While I understand the reservations, he's still been a solid player for the most part.  If you can upgrade, sure, do it.  If you can't though, I personally have no problems with keeping Zuttah for another year.  The salary would be the issue there, though.

Yeah. I think we'd love to upgrade Zuttah, but it's easy to say we can upgrade a center but the question is whether or not that's as easily done. We've tried to get a player of Matt Birk's quality for years. It's just not simple. I think we're likelier to draft a center to play guard or to learn behind Zuttah than simply cutting Zuttah. It can happen, though.

Just now, Jacquouille said:

Why is everyone assuming we need a new LG? I thought both Jensen and Urschel did very well.

I don't think anyone thinks we need a new starting LG but we definitely need depth and a potential starter since Jensen and Urschel would both be approaching the end of their rookie deals.

[PurpleCity5]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Outside of the start of this season, I've always thought Zuttah takes a lot of crap for no reason.  While I understand the reservations, he's still been a solid player for the most part.  If you can upgrade, sure, do it.  If you can't though, I personally have no problems with keeping Zuttah for another year.  The salary would be the issue there, though.

I used to defend Zuttah myself, but at the start of the season I just couldn't find myself doing it, he was atrocious. He has improved mightily but will he keep it up? I hope so because if he does that gives us flexibility because I still expect us to use a draft pick at Center even with him on the roster. If he continues his nice play I wouldn't mind keeping him but I still think we need to draft a center regardless if he stays or leaves. 

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I used to defend Zuttah myself, but at the start of the season I just couldn't find myself doing it, he was atrocious. He has improved mightily but will he keep it up? I hope so because if he does that gives us flexibility because I still expect us to use a draft pick at Center even with him on the roster. If he continues his nice play I wouldn't mind keeping him but I still think we need to draft a center regardless if he stays or leaves. 

For sure.  I don't think Zuttah is the answer or anything, but he very well could be starting for us again next year.  I'm not saying he's 100% the best option, but he's not a bad one either.  If you can upgrade, great.  If you can't, it's not the worst thing in the world.

[PurpleCity5]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I agree on Lewis at RT. It seems to be the clear solution, but we never know since right now Lewis is still at LG as far as I know if Stanley returns. I suspect that will continue. KO wasn't all that good at RT but was OK, but he lit it up at LG. I wonder if Lewis is the anti-KO where he was OK at LG but lights it up at RT? I think we'd like to upgrade but upgrading a center is easier said than done and isn't likely we just cut a guy because we want to upgrade. I think that's a common misconception. Also, I'm not sure we want the turnover, either. It would be different if we have the LG position set, and if we decide to keep Lewis there then maybe this move makes sense--cutting Zuttah. You'd want to keep as much continuity on the interior OL as possible. You wouldn't want to start a new LG and a new C because that could be disastrous. I think pass rusher is also likely in FA, but I think that largely depends on Suggs and Dumervil's future. We need a youthful and explosive pass rusher not necessarily experience. 

Yeah I don't think we'll cut him unless he gets beaten out in camp. I picture him as a camp cut if anything, I think you keep him but draft a center as high as the 3rd round. Center just makes sense via draft because of the lack of centers in FA; list really is crappy so the idea of upgrading Zuttah at Center just doesn't bold well, but I think the team would feel like they could do better at LG compared to shifting Zuttah at LG. I just think FA is the best opportunity considering that you will be getting an experienced vet who can play. That's why I prefer a guy like Ron Leary; you're not forking enough for a young player that the Cowboys are not going to bring back. He's just an example but I think the only place where Zuttah has a spot here is at Center since I think we would rather just find a good player at LG than someone who I don't think will be a sure thing at LG in Zuttah, I can't say I have a lot of confidence in putting him there. I think what this team would like to have a LG is a mauler. While Jensen isn't the best pass blocking guard, he's surely done very well in the run game and that's where we would like to see the production at LG sprout at. I think we miss what K.O gave us at LG and could use someone who's a two way guy there. 

[PurpleCity5]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

For sure.  I don't think Zuttah is the answer or anything, but he very well could be starting for us again next year.  I'm not saying he's 100% the best option, but he's not a bad one either.  If you can upgrade, great.  If you can't, it's not the worst thing in the world.

Yep, but the draft makes a lot of sense for us at center. I think we could take one in the 2nd round. This may seem outrageous but what if we went full on out Dallas Cowboys. What if we use FA entirely on OLB and CB, then we go back to back on offensive linemen. Take a guy like Quenton Nelson who could be a future pro bowl LG as early as the mid-teens and then getting a guy like Pat Eifen in the 2nd round.  Both look like really good players IMO. Only downside to that is that if you put out Nelson and Eifen as your starters, then you're going to have a really young OL with Stanley and Lewis as your tackles with your only vet being Yanda. But man o man, if that works out then you're going to have not only one of the best OLs, but a young OL that can protect Flacco for the next 4-5 years. It's worked out amazingly for Dallas and the Falcons made investments at OL too and its paid off for them. QBs always play better with a cleaner pocket. 

 

I don't know why those words are in bold but whatever. 

[GrimCoconut]

16 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Yeah I don't think we'll cut him unless he gets beaten out in camp. I picture him as a camp cut if anything, I think you keep him but draft a center as high as the 3rd round. Center just makes sense via draft because of the lack of centers in FA; list really is crappy so the idea of upgrading Zuttah at Center just doesn't bold well, but I think the team would feel like they could do better at LG compared to shifting Zuttah at LG. I just think FA is the best opportunity considering that you will be getting an experienced vet who can play. That's why I prefer a guy like Ron Leary; you're not forking enough for a young player that the Cowboys are not going to bring back. He's just an example but I think the only place where Zuttah has a spot here is at Center since I think we would rather just find a good player at LG than someone who I don't think will be a sure thing at LG in Zuttah, I can't say I have a lot of confidence in putting him there. I think what this team would like to have a LG is a mauler. While Jensen isn't the best pass blocking guard, he's surely done very well in the run game and that's where we would like to see the production at LG sprout at. I think we miss what K.O gave us at LG and could use someone who's a two way guy there. 

I would not rule out Elflein as an early pick for us because I think he can fit at guard and center. This provides versatility but it means we can put Eflein at LG and learn and then slide him over to center later. This would be the ideal scenario, IMO. FA is a gamble because yes, you may get a guy but there's no guarantee that guy looks as good with your team and OL. OL is a lot of chemistry, too. Some guys transcend the chemistry thing, but I think that's why a lot of FA OL bust is because of the chemistry, honestly. 

[Cawtious]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I agree on Lewis at RT. It seems to be the clear solution, but we never know since right now Lewis is still at LG as far as I know if Stanley returns. I suspect that will continue. KO wasn't all that good at RT but was OK, but he lit it up at LG. I wonder if Lewis is the anti-KO where he was OK at LG but lights it up at RT? I think we'd like to upgrade but upgrading a center is easier said than done and isn't likely we just cut a guy because we want to upgrade. I think that's a common misconception. Also, I'm not sure we want the turnover, either. It would be different if we have the LG position set, and if we decide to keep Lewis there then maybe this move makes sense--cutting Zuttah. You'd want to keep as much continuity on the interior OL as possible. You wouldn't want to start a new LG and a new C because that could be disastrous. I think pass rusher is also likely in FA, but I think that largely depends on Suggs and Dumervil's future. We need a youthful and explosive pass rusher not necessarily experience. 

Yeah. I think we'd love to upgrade Zuttah, but it's easy to say we can upgrade a center but the question is whether or not that's as easily done. We've tried to get a player of Matt Birk's quality for years. It's just not simple. I think we're likelier to draft a center to play guard or to learn behind Zuttah than simply cutting Zuttah. It can happen, though.

I don't think anyone thinks we need a new starting LG but we definitely need depth and a potential starter since Jensen and Urschel would both be approaching the end of their rookie deals.

Jensen isn't on his rookie deal any longer.  He's a ERFA this season, and will become a RFA after this season.  I think he'll be given the shot at being our starting Center next year.  I actually believe he plays his best football there.  We'll see what happens.  Urschel will get his shot at the starting LG next year.  I cannot see them taking a pass at either and letting them go.  But a strong draft at both positions next year is needed for another G/C. 

It will be interesting to see if they tender Jensen, what round they place on him, and if they'll be able to retain him.  He keeps starting and continues to pick up his play, someone may come knocking.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

Jensen isn't on his rookie deal any longer.  He's a ERFA this season, and will become a RFA after this season.  I think he'll be given the shot at being our starting Center next year.  I actually believe he plays his best football there.  We'll see what happens.  Urschel will get his shot at the starting LG next year.  I cannot see them taking a pass at either and letting them go.  But a strong draft at both positions next year is needed for another G/C. 

It will be interesting to see if they tender Jensen, what round they place on him, and if they'll be able to retain him.  He keeps starting and continues to pick up his play, someone may come knocking.

I know Jensen will be an RFA. It's a matter of semantics but he's still under our rights should we want him so the point remains that he'll likely be here. I agree we need to draft some interior OL and said the same myself. I'm not overly fond of what I saw from these tackles. 

[PurpleCity5]

8 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I would not rule out Elflein as an early pick for us because I think he can fit at guard and center. This provides versatility but it means we can put Eflein at LG and learn and then slide him over to center later. This would be the ideal scenario, IMO. FA is a gamble because yes, you may get a guy but there's no guarantee that guy looks as good with your team and OL. OL is a lot of chemistry, too. Some guys transcend the chemistry thing, but I think that's why a lot of FA OL bust is because of the chemistry, honestly. 

Draft picks can bust too at OL. I don't like the idea of not going after a FA OL because of chemistry if those issues are fixable. I certainly agree that it's risky, but at our current predicament I don't think we can afford to sleep on LG, it's an underrated need. Especially if we have a shot at a guy like TJ Lang, I don't think it will happen because he'll get paid, not KO money but he should receive a good payday so its possible that he could come here. Ron Leary makes a lot of sense and he's a good fit for a ZBS. 

[JoeyFlex5]

On 10/16/2016 at 8:55 AM, Jacquouille said:

Arguing? No, I'm really appreciating that conversation bro.

I'm starting to think a mix of trades to get 3/4 picks in the 30/80 range would be the best combination. Try to get Elflein or Pocic, Jourdan Lewis, Carl Lawson and a WR (Kupp, Rudolph, Davis, Ford...). If we do that we're gone and nobody's catching us.

I really like the idea of elflein in the first, Corey Davis in the 2nd, and Carl Lawson in the 3rd. None of them are above that range and they're all great fits. If we pick high enough I could see a case where we forget OL in the first and take a cb finally, or search desperately for a trade back. 

Unfortunately this doesn't seem like the year we find a pass rusher. We won't get Myles Garrett, I think Charles Harris and Derek Barnett still have a lot of work to do and may be overhyped, I think Tim Williams could be legitimately too small(i rarely make this argument but the dude is in the 230s) and I just don't see many options outside of that. Lucky for us though we have a real shot to get a total stud cb or interior lineman which are 2 of our top 3 priorities.

[ravefan52]

On 10/20/2016 at 11:37 AM, PurpleCity5 said:

Yep, but the draft makes a lot of sense for us at center. I think we could take one in the 2nd round. This may seem outrageous but what if we went full on out Dallas Cowboys. What if we use FA entirely on OLB and CB, then we go back to back on offensive linemen. Take a guy like Quenton Nelson who could be a future pro bowl LG as early as the mid-teens and then getting a guy like Pat Eifen in the 2nd round.  Both look like really good players IMO. Only downside to that is that if you put out Nelson and Eifen as your starters, then you're going to have a really young OL with Stanley and Lewis as your tackles with your only vet being Yanda. But man o man, if that works out then you're going to have not only one of the best OLs, but a young OL that can protect Flacco for the next 4-5 years. It's worked out amazingly for Dallas and the Falcons made investments at OL too and its paid off for them. QBs always play better with a cleaner pocket. 

 

I don't know why those words are in bold but whatever. 

Fixing OLB and CB in free agency would be insanely expensive

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

Fixing OLB and CB in free agency would be insanely expensive

I think OLB via FA makes sense though. You want a proven pass rusher there, we have Smith, Correa, and Judon on the roster and they are some young guys out there. Also, it won't insanely expensive to find an OLB. The Titans got Brian Orakpo on a 1YR deal then give him a 4YR 32M contract after that. Given the nature of how badly we need a pass rusher, and we need one bad, than It wouldn't shock me if we went all in on OLB and CB and dedicated the draft to the OL. 

Guys I like on OLB is Melvin Ingram, Nick Perry, and Jabaal Sheard are good options who we can get at the right price. One guy who I really like, and yes, I know he's old but he's so good and its Lorenzo Alexander. I think he could be a Daryl Smith type of signing, someone we have for 2-3 years and contributes but also sets a trend for our younger players on how to rush the passer. Guy is a beast and seems like a typical Ozzie Newsome signing. He won't be the answer because of his age and we will be forced to help our pass rush, but he would be such a great addition here. Again, it would force us to draft a pass rusher really high but what we need right now is someone who can pack heat on the QB, regardless of age. 
 

 

[ravefan52]

3 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I think OLB via FA makes sense though. You want a proven pass rusher there, we have Smith, Correa, and Judon on the roster and they are some young guys out there. Also, it won't insanely expensive to find an OLB. The Titans got Brian Orakpo on a 1YR deal then give him a 4YR 32M contract after that. Given the nature of how badly we need a pass rusher, and we need one bad, than It wouldn't shock me if we went all in on OLB and CB and dedicated the draft to the OL. 

Guys I like on OLB is Melvin Ingram, Nick Perry, and Jabaal Sheard are good options who we can get at the right price. One guy who I really like, and yes, I know he's old but he's so good and its Lorenzo Alexander. I think he could be a Daryl Smith type of signing, someone we have for 2-3 years and contributes but also sets a trend for our younger players on how to rush the passer. Guy is a beast and seems like a typical Ozzie Newsome signing. He won't be the answer because of his age and we will be forced to help our pass rush, but he would be such a great addition here. Again, it would force us to draft a pass rusher really high but what we need right now is someone who can pack heat on the QB, regardless of age. 
 

 

I think we could address one of those positions, and I agree OLB would be likeliest. However I do not want to sign and rely on a 34 year old pass rusher. I'm pretty tired of all these old guys on the roster either getting hurt or just losing all their athletic ability. It'd be great if we could get a decent youngish rotational guy there, grab one of the stud CB's in the 1st then hit OLB again in the 2nd or 3rd.

We should definitely pass on resigning Brandon Williams and use that money for someone more valuable.

[PurpleCity5]

5 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

I think we could address one of those positions, and I agree OLB would be likeliest. However I do not want to sign and rely on a 34 year old pass rusher. I'm pretty tired of all these old guys on the roster either getting hurt or just losing all their athletic ability. It'd be great if we could get a decent youngish rotational guy there, grab one of the stud CB's in the 1st then hit OLB again in the 2nd or 3rd.

We should definitely pass on resigning Brandon Williams and use that money for someone more valuable.

Lorenzo Alexander as a short term answer is more than fine with me simply because he's a beast. I would more than love to have someone else ten years younger but he could be our best option. He won't be expensive and would give us very high production. I worry about his age too but what we need specifically is not to get younger on the outside, as I said we're already young there with Correa, Smith and Judon, what we need is just an impact pass rusher. We can't fork $10M+ for one if we got other holes on the roster. I picture that we sign Alexander and draft an OLB in the 1st or 2nd round at the latest. That would be a good idea IMO because you still can use your #1 pick on a CB. 

[JoeyFlex5]

charlies latest mock has us taking julie'n davenport in the 2nd. i have yet to watch tape on him, but i love the scouting reports, every report is totally enthralled with the kid, ive seen reports saying he'd be a clear first rounder if he played for a D1 school, and i just havent seen a negative word about him. hes lean and long, but he looks like hes built quite dense, doesnt look like a guy you can just push backwards, reports say he is flexible, agile, smart, and a superb athlete, which suggests he should hold up well in pass pro and at the very least he can get to the next level and can execute a zone block, reports also suggest that bucknell runs behind him often and they get great results in those situations on a consistent basis. 

i think lewis is our future at RT, and i dont think this guy is built to play guard at all, but i cant say i would hate the idea and have lewis as a guard and permanent swing man. now this mock also had us taking dalvin cook in the first, which im not big on, even as dalvin cooks biggest fan on these boards... just no.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

On 10/21/2016 at 8:51 PM, ravefan52 said:

Fixing OLB and CB in free agency would be insanely expensive

Not if you're looking for a slot CB. Powers should be cheap to retain. Young is the answer on the outside I think. May be the best corner on the team in a few years. Hell of an addition. 

 

We CANNOT go out in FA to find an OLB. We need to draft one. We need to draft more depth at corner but Young's emergence and the fact that Powers has played well just made things a hell of a lot easier for Ozzie.

Top needs now include OLB, OG, C.

 

Time to watch tape on the interior oline. 

[ALPHA]

We cannot keep ignoring the oline, we need a Titans kind of renaissance up front otherwise Joe could have another lame duck season. 

The good news is I think we're set at tackle for a few years at least. 

[Jacquouille]

My problem with the OLine is that I don't know who's the man we should replace. They seem to all have great games then awful ones...

[hn68wb4]

3 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

My problem with the OLine is that I don't know who's the man we should replace. They seem to all have great games then awful ones...

I think the main problem we have right now is youth on the left and inconsistency on the right. Stanley and Lewis (who, to be fair, since moving back to guard has played amazingly) each have their own rookie mistakes at times, and there's really nothing we can do about that. On the right, Wagner usually plays well but every now and then he let's one go, he just needs to be more consistent out there. And Yanda is dealing with injuries, so there's just uncertainty at that RG position. I don't even know what to say about Zuttah, one moment people around here are calling for his head, the next he's the great ironman up front, I suppose his main problem is inconsistency as well and apparently he's been having back issues. As far as the draft goes, the middle 3 are all potential picks assuming Wagner walks, if we re-sign him then it's just C and RG, so we have guys to develop and take over after a year or two. I don't think there's any chance we're drafting any olinemen to start right away - then again I said the same thing after we took Stanley and Monroe was still on the roster. I'm not really sure what our plan is with Urschel really, maybe we really are grooming him to take over at C and will pass on taking one in the draft for that reason. Last I heard about Jensen was that he was working with practice squad guys and we chose to start Ducasse over him last game - if that's not a sign that he's done for us then I don't know what is.

[JoeyFlex5]

is lewis our future LG or RT? I think thats a very important question to answer. perhaps if ethan pocic continues to fall we see him as a potential trade up target in the 2nd? or we just take him in the 2nd outright if we feel we need a guy who can play literally any position on the line and just let him compete and push everyone, hes known to be a smart guy and naturally a center, but very tall for the interior, having typical tackle measurables LSU was rumored to be considering him at LT this year which obviously never happened, but it makes you wonder... hell, i wouldnt mind seeing 2 or 3 picks on the OL all in the first 2 days of the draft. quenton nelsing player that could potentially play from LG all the way over to RT, with alex lewis as the likely starting RT(in my opinion) and then pocic at LG with nelson at RG and elflein at center. 

ridiculous, i know. but our OL could very well go from a disaster to a top 3 unit in just one freaking draft, not only that, it has a long bright future, a unit that stays together for 5 years, and with tons of interchangeable depth and no weak links. id take that over 3 guys dispersed over 3 different units and having each of those units success hinged upon whether or not said player is healthy or pans out. there are 2 units you simply cant compete without, OL and QB. you build that OL to an elite level in a hurry and suddenly youre less concerned about the lack of a pass rush or average receivers because the run game keeps the defense off the field and your qb has all day to stand back and pick teams apart. 

ill go as far as to say... if were picking in the teens, and tim williams is not available and we see a trade back target for a 2nd round pick, then move back and pick up nelson and elflein, and then with the other 2nd round pick find something else, 3 picks on the OL was a huge exaggeration but honestly i wouldnt mind it.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

is lewis our future LG or RT? I think thats a very important question to answer. perhaps if ethan pocic continues to fall we see him as a potential trade up target in the 2nd? or we just take him in the 2nd outright if we feel we need a guy who can play literally any position on the line and just let him compete and push everyone, hes known to be a smart guy and naturally a center, but very tall for the interior, having typical tackle measurables LSU was rumored to be considering him at LT this year which obviously never happened, but it makes you wonder... hell, i wouldnt mind seeing 2 or 3 picks on the OL all in the first 2 days of the draft. quenton nelsing player that could potentially play from LG all the way over to RT, with alex lewis as the likely starting RT(in my opinion) and then pocic at LG with nelson at RG and elflein at center. 

ridiculous, i know. but our OL could very well go from a disaster to a top 3 unit in just one freaking draft, not only that, it has a long bright future, a unit that stays together for 5 years, and with tons of interchangeable depth and no weak links. id take that over 3 guys dispersed over 3 different units and having each of those units success hinged upon whether or not said player is healthy or pans out. there are 2 units you simply cant compete without, OL and QB. you build that OL to an elite level in a hurry and suddenly youre less concerned about the lack of a pass rush or average receivers because the run game keeps the defense off the field and your qb has all day to stand back and pick teams apart. 

ill go as far as to say... if were picking in the teens, and tim williams is not available and we see a trade back target for a 2nd round pick, then move back and pick up nelson and elflein, and then with the other 2nd round pick find something else, 3 picks on the OL was a huge exaggeration but honestly i wouldnt mind it.

Yeah I like the last paragraph. I think trade back is the best you can do in this draft. Even twice I wouldn't mind. I'd definitely prefer having three 2nd and three 3rd (including our comp) than a 1st a 2nd and two 3rd. Could take Nelson and Pocic (doubt Elflein will be available) and a pass rusher before going CB and WR in the 3rd... I'd be drooling.

[ravefan52]

On 11/13/2016 at 0:59 AM, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Not if you're looking for a slot CB. Powers should be cheap to retain. Young is the answer on the outside I think. May be the best corner on the team in a few years. Hell of an addition. 

 

We CANNOT go out in FA to find an OLB. We need to draft one. We need to draft more depth at corner but Young's emergence and the fact that Powers has played well just made things a hell of a lot easier for Ozzie.

Top needs now include OLB, OG, C.

 

Time to watch tape on the interior oline. 

Ya I said that before Young started playing on the outside. Thought he'd probably be more of just a great slot corner. Powers needs to finish the year strong not sure I'd count on just him there.

[Cillmatic]

On November 13, 2016 at 2:59 AM, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Not if you're looking for a slot CB. Powers should be cheap to retain. Young is the answer on the outside I think. May be the best corner on the team in a few years. Hell of an addition. 

 

We CANNOT go out in FA to find an OLB. We need to draft one. We need to draft more depth at corner but Young's emergence and the fact that Powers has played well just made things a hell of a lot easier for Ozzie.

Top needs now include OLB, OG, C.

 

Time to watch tape on the interior oline. 

I'd rather not have a 5'9 CB on the outside, imagine him lining up with someone like Mike Evans, no matter how good his technique I don't think Tavon could stop him. I'd rather have a tall corner option like Canady for when we go against big guys. Young will be a beast in the slot for those games.

[Jacquouille]

6 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

I'd rather not have a 5'9 CB on the outside, imagine him lining up with someone like Mike Evans, no matter how good his technique I don't think Tavon could stop him. I'd rather have a tall corner option like Canady for when we go against big guys. Young will be a beast in the slot for those games.

That's why we've got Jimmy, basically.

[ALPHA]

On 11/13/2016 at 8:06 PM, Jacquouille said:

My problem with the OLine is that I don't know who's the man we should replace. They seem to all have great games then awful ones...

I think it's just consistency, theres no point having a lineman who destroys his man one play then becomes a turnstile the next. It also comes down to having the right kind of players and it's no secret that the best guards in the league are former college tackles, now I know Alex Lewis is a former tackle but he's not a powerhouse like KO, Jensen as well but he wasn't much of a technician, so it still comes down to having the right type of players.

[Jacquouille]

22 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I think it's just consistency, theres no point having a lineman who destroys his man one play then becomes a turnstile the next. It also comes down to having the right kind of players and it's no secret that the best guards in the league are former college tackles, now I know Alex Lewis is a former tackle but he's not a powerhouse like KO, Jensen as well but he wasn't much of a technician, so it still comes down to having the right type of players.

Well, the main problem is you can't pinpoint one player and say "we need to replace that guy and upgrade that position" because they each have some good moments and some bad ones...

[ALPHA]

45 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Well, the main problem is you can't pinpoint one player and say "we need to replace that guy and upgrade that position" because they each have some good moments and some bad ones...

Last offseason I identified LG and C that needed attention and there were two upper mid tier players who were perfect matches, both signed with the Eagles. This coming offseason there aren't any FA linemen who fit the bill. We need to find our next KO/Yanda in the draft.

[Jacquouille]

8 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Last offseason I identified LG and C that needed attention and there were two upper mid tier players who were perfect matches, both signed with the Eagles. This coming offseason there aren't any FA linemen who fit the bill. We need to find our next KO/Yanda in the draft.

1) Just out of curiosity, which players?

2) I think Lewis is progressing very quickly at LG. We may want to find more depth but I believe he's our starter of the future. 

3) Imo we lack some push from our C position. Zuttah's nice but the more I think about it the more I believe he's playing a large role in our run game struggles.