2017 O line

[Jonah DeVito]

Im really starting to like the idea of grabbing Lamp in the 1st if the likes of Barnett, Williams etc are gone. 

[raven94]

11 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Im really starting to like the idea of grabbing Lamp in the 1st if the likes of Barnett, Williams etc are gone. 

As am I. It seems more and more like the players we really want will go 5 picks before us. I really want MWill and Barnett, and O.J. but by all rights they should be gone when we pick. And so I looked at Ryan Kelly's draft profile last year and it was like Lamp has a lot in common except lamp is even more explosive and stronger, just shorter arms. Short arms doesn't mean as much at center and so I thought dang let's draft him at put him at C. 

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, raven94 said:

As am I. It seems more and more like the players we really want will go 5 picks before us. I really want MWill and Barnett, and O.J. but by all rights they should be gone when we pick. And so I looked at Ryan Kelly's draft profile last year and it was like Lamp has a lot in common except lamp is even more explosive and stronger, just shorter arms. Short arms doesn't mean as much at center and so I thought dang let's draft him at put him at C. 

It's not a trivial move though - Kelly had been playing center at college - as far as I'm aware, lamp never has - if we draft a guard to play center I'd much rather someone like Isaac Asiata who at least has some form at the position - no way am I drafting someone in round 1 who I'm going to have to properly teach a new full time position... especially when the team would have other prospects available at other positions of need

[raven94]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

It's not a trivial move though - Kelly had been playing center at college - as far as I'm aware, lamp never has - if we draft a guard to play center I'd much rather someone like Isaac Asiata who at least has some form at the position - no way am I drafting someone in round 1 who I'm going to have to properly teach a new full time position... especially when the team would have other prospects available at other positions of need

Alright, I originally stated in my post a little while ago IF he can snap just fine, is he worth it at 16? There has been speculation that he can transition to center just fine. But I see your point. kelly played there full time while Lamp has not. However Asiata can't play center. The report is he filled in for Dielman for a certain game. I honestly don't think he actually played the whole game at center. On top of that even if he did play the whole game at center they moved him right back to guard the next game. Asiata can't play center. But again I see your point, my point is simply that if the speculation is true and Lamp can snap without troubles then I'd have no problem drafting him and putting him at C

[rossihunter2]

29 minutes ago, raven94 said:

Alright, I originally stated in my post a little while ago IF he can snap just fine, is he worth it at 16? There has been speculation that he can transition to center just fine. But I see your point. kelly played there full time while Lamp has not. However Asiata can't play center. The report is he filled in for Dielman for a certain game. I honestly don't think he actually played the whole game at center. On top of that even if he did play the whole game at center they moved him right back to guard the next game. Asiata can't play center. But again I see your point, my point is simply that if the speculation is true and Lamp can snap without troubles then I'd have no problem drafting him and putting him at C

It's more than just snapping though - it's about reading the defense, being on the same page as the qb, making the calls on the line (although I'll admit yanda sometimes takes that role for us in times of stress anyway) - I just don't take that transition lightly - and with Asiata I wasn't recommending we do that with him but just that given he's at least got some film as a center I'd be more inclined to use him in that role than a guy who wasn't even playing guard at college let alone center 

Edited April 4 by rossihunter2

[AnthonyGames]

Mangold signing with Ravens tomorrow. *fingers crossed*

[rossihunter2]

the way ozzie and eric just spoke at the presser about lineman makes me think that we arent drafting one in round 1 unless we get a trade back option we like (and a player that a team wants to trade up for is there at our pick)

[Underdogsontop!]

I'm not sure how much cap space we got left but I hope we can sign Center Mangold if he's healthy. Then maybe our FO could draft pat elflein or Ethan pocic to learn behind mangold for a year or 2. I can't wait to see what our O line will look like come week 1 reg season. I hope it becomes our strength, because it only got weaker from what was already weak. Lol

[ravensnation5220]

This is a great breakdown of Pat Elflien. He does others too. You should check it out

 

[Italian Raven]

Since we've entered the smokescreen mode, a few days ago, and we've been linked to prospects like Robinson and Lamp I started to watch 1st round linemens' tapes.

If we ever went that direction I wouldn't be against Lamp at all, now. Very low, strong, square base. Great upper body strenght and doesn't overcommitt to the edge by opening the hips early. It's also the kind of player you want on a 3rd/4rth & 1 situation. He does have some few mental laps where he inexplicably leaves the outside rusher free and rather double teams the DT but nothing I would worry about. I think it's more a problem of communication with the LG.

I definitely prefere him over Cam but I have one doubt concerning the entire 1st round Olinemen crew. They've all played on the left side of the front 5. All: Robinson, Lamp, Ramczyck, Bolles.

I wonder what kind of an impact may switching side may have on their performance? 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm more and more vehemently against an OL at 16. Trade back, sure, but the value of either lamp or cam is god awful at 16 and we need to get more day 2 picks to justify the value, when you have the likes of dion Dawkins in round 2 who I think is far and away a better RT prospect than either of the first rounders, and pat elflein who is a great center prospect filling a bigger need, then I just don't see why we take either of those guys when we could get a Davis or Humphrey or reddick or Barnett to really make a splash. If we trade back and land lamp or cam, then we can seal the deal for elflein with an additional round 2 pick which is ultimately what we need more than either of those 2, while also picking up a guy like Tim Williams, Lawson, Witherspoon, or if we're feeling spunky and he's available, Sidney jones, plus you have the small school guys like bowser and rivers who would be great fits for us at 47. 

I would be ecstatic to see us pass on either of the first round guards for a guy like Corey Davis, and get dion dawkins at 47 and if we're lucky land pat elflein in the third. That's an immediate and massive offensive overhaul that instantly fills every offensive hole with a day one starter. I don't see anywhere near the same game changing draft plans that could start out with lamp or cam in round one, it just doesn't add up