2017 O line

[RaineV1]

15 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Man just listening to Stephen nembot really makes me want him to win the right tackle job

I wouldn't be shocked if he did end up being our RT.

[ravensnation5220]

28 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Man just listening to Stephen nembot really makes me want him to win the right tackle job

Also heard deondre Wesley has tons of potential and were really high on him too

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Also heard deondre Wesley has tons of potential and were really high on him too

Yeah I remember that from last year too.

[raven94]

Can somebody give me some tackles to scout NOT named one of the following:

Cam Robinson

Ryan Ramcyzk

Taylor Moton

Forest Lamp

Garret Bolles

Dion Dawkins

Julien Davenport

Sometimes I need some other tackle to put in my mocks that's a mid round tackle that will be around in the 4th that's halfway decent with some upside.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

23 minutes ago, raven94 said:

Can somebody give me some tackles to scout NOT named one of the following:

Cam Robinson

Ryan Ramcyzk

Taylor Moton

Forest Lamp

Garret Bolles

Dion Dawkins

Julien Davenport

Sometimes I need some other tackle to put in my mocks that's a mid round tackle that will be around in the 4th that's halfway decent with some upside.

Erik Magnuson

JJ Dielman (OT and C prospect, prob better C imo)

Adam Bisnowaty

Jermaine Eluemunor

Chad Wheeler

Conor McDermott

Avery Gennesy

Justin Senior

 

Honestly i find it very difficult evaluating OL in general, especially OT's beyond the guys who truly stand out. When we're talking Round 4-7... i can find it difficult to differentiate. Combine/pro day numbers can give some context or reason to put some guys over others, and if they've matched up against the same edge rusher or situation like that you can compare like-for-like, but admittedly its just a position i struggle to separate the later guys with any real conviction.

These are some of the names i like better, or have seen mocked in middle rounds, but the reality is they could go anywhere from Round 3-7 and id be none the wiser.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, raven94 said:

Can somebody give me some tackles to scout NOT named one of the following:

Cam Robinson

Ryan Ramcyzk

Taylor Moton

Forest Lamp

Garret Bolles

Dion Dawkins

Julien Davenport

Sometimes I need some other tackle to put in my mocks that's a mid round tackle that will be around in the 4th that's halfway decent with some upside.

Brad Seaton, Villanova

Michael Dunn, Maryland

Dunn seems like he could be a good UDFA to compete for the RT spot.

Edited March 24 by RaineV1

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, raven94 said:

Can somebody give me some tackles to scout NOT named one of the following:

Cam Robinson

Ryan Ramcyzk

Taylor Moton

Forest Lamp

Garret Bolles

Dion Dawkins

Julien Davenport

Sometimes I need some other tackle to put in my mocks that's a mid round tackle that will be around in the 4th that's halfway decent with some upside.

Problem is that most of the guys you mentioned are halfway decent with some upside. Not a great OL class.

[rossihunter2]

5 hours ago, raven94 said:

Can somebody give me some tackles to scout NOT named one of the following:

Cam Robinson

Ryan Ramcyzk

Taylor Moton

Forest Lamp

Garret Bolles

Dion Dawkins

Julien Davenport

Sometimes I need some other tackle to put in my mocks that's a mid round tackle that will be around in the 4th that's halfway decent with some upside.

Anthony Garcia is a guy I like

for a real late prospect try someone like David sharpe

thats just off the top of my head

[raven94]

3 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Problem is that most of the guys you mentioned are halfway decent with some upside. Not a great OL class.

Lol, I know. It's killing me. I'm trying to find good mid round guys and it's like there's a lot of guys slightly overrated who will go in round 1, or there's a bunch of projects who will go in round 5,6,7

[rossihunter2]

10 minutes ago, raven94 said:

Lol, I know. It's killing me. I'm trying to find good mid round guys and it's like there's a lot of guys slightly overrated who will go in round 1, or there's a bunch of projects who will go in round 5,6,7

I thought moton would be one until about 2/3 weeks ago, I think Garcia is a good option, as is bisnowaty, roderick Johnson is a guy I've seen mocked mid (I personally don't like him but he's probably worth a watch), David sharpe I like

but you're right there aren't many and that took me a few minutes to find those guys on my board

[raven94]

13 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I thought moton would be one until about 2/3 weeks ago, I think Garcia is a good option, as is bisnowaty, roderick Johnson is a guy I've seen mocked mid (I personally don't like him but he's probably worth a watch), David sharpe I like

but you're right there aren't many and that took me a few minutes to find those guys on my board

Yes it's a problem. And so we might not fill the RT spot with this draft as much as everyone wants. It might be we go the year with our two in house guys membot and onuwasor

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, raven94 said:

Yes it's a problem. And so we might not fill the RT spot with this draft as much as everyone wants. It might be we go the year with our two in house guys membot and onuwasor

i think that may well be what happens

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 minutes ago, raven94 said:

Yes it's a problem. And so we might not fill the RT spot with this draft as much as everyone wants. It might be we go the year with our two in house guys membot and onuwasor

 

3 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i think that may well be what happens

Onwuasor is a S/LB. 

Wesley, Nembot and Hurst are the likely in house options. 

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

 

Onwuasor is a S/LB. 

Wesley, Nembot and Hurst are the likely in house options. 

i think he was talking about the zach orr spot as well

i think it's more likely to be nembot over wesley but they'll go into camp as equals i think

[ravensnation5220]

Mitchell Kirsch is a first team all fcs RT for JMU. Not well known but he has good size and could be a late round guy or undrafted FA we could bring in. 

[raven94]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i think he was talking about the zach orr spot as well

i think it's more likely to be nembot over wesley but they'll go into camp as equals i think

No I apologize I meant Membot and Wesley. I accidently put onuwasor down because in my brain I ran through a list of in house guys that were relatively unknown last year. That's my bad. 

[52520Andrew]

I am just going to say that I think a line of Stanley, Lewis, Urschel/Jensen, Yanda, Ramczyk has the potential to be a really good unit.

Not a huge fan of Robinson at 16, I think Lewis is going to do well at LG and Robinson might be a slight upgrade there but not worth it. As for RT I think he could survive there but he wouldn't be much good without a lot of help.

[Jacquouille]

On 25/03/2017 at 5:23 PM, rossihunter2 said:

i think it's more likely to be nembot over wesley but they'll go into camp as equals i think

I would have said the opposite. I read that they raved about Wesley last year but didn't hear anything about Nembot.

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I would have said the opposite. I read that they raved about Wesley last year but didn't hear anything about Nembot.

I'd agree with this.  I think Wesley has the upper hand right now but that could always change.  I liked Nembot a lot last year actually but he needs a lot of work and he's probably more of a developmental guy going into this summer.  Thought I also saw somewhere that they asked Wesley to stick around for the year and attend the meetings throughout the week while he was on IR last year.

[raven94]

So let me ask this, are we ok with the Urschel/Jensen and the Wesley/Nembot possibility on the O line? I like Pat Elflein in the draft to help out with the C issue, but if we have a good in house option then I guess I can pass. Please someone give me your opinions on our own players and if Elflein is the best way to go at C

[52520Andrew]

5 minutes ago, raven94 said:

So let me ask this, are we ok with the Urschel/Jensen and the Wesley/Nembot possibility on the O line? I like Pat Elflein in the draft to help out with the C issue, but if we have a good in house option then I guess I can pass. Please someone give me your opinions on our own players and if Elflein is the best way to go at C

Feel better about Urschel and Jensen at Center than the guys at RT who are complete unknowns(well outside of Hurst), want competition at both positions though

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

9 minutes ago, raven94 said:

So let me ask this, are we ok with the Urschel/Jensen and the Wesley/Nembot possibility on the O line? I like Pat Elflein in the draft to help out with the C issue, but if we have a good in house option then I guess I can pass. Please someone give me your opinions on our own players and if Elflein is the best way to go at C

I actually want to see what Wesley can do at RT, but im not comfortable with it as is.

Dont want Urschel near C -- Zuttah lite. I'd prefer Jensen there but dont like him much either. Id be intrigued to see what Matt Skura can do there, but again, would be comfortable with any of these 3 until they prove something.

Now -- if we locked down a good C via draft, or maybe someone like Mangold that could possibly be an band aid upgrade for a year.... then id feel A LOT better about Wesley/Nembot at RT. 

 

But none of those guys are reasons to ignore potential upgrades in the draft.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

And a mid/late round guy I like alot (admittedly a little bias) is Jordan Morgan from Kutztown.

I went to Bloomsburg with Jahri Evans during his run there.... and Kutztown was our biggest rival. Jahri destroyed everyone like no one in that conference had seen before... and went on to become an all pro, pro bowl G in the NFL.

Apparently (and i might agree, thought ive only seen him play live twice) this Morgan kid is better than Jahri was. Always tough to tell with the level of competition, but hes just as big while leaner, and a better athlete.

 

I think he'll be the small school, late round gem of this draft.

[jboy19]

I still think half the value of taking a lineman in this draft is to keep Denver out of the playoffs again. If they cant get Ramczyk, Bolles or even Robinson, their starting tackles will be Donald Stephenson and Menelik Watson- which definitely doesn't equal a wild card spot. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

30 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I still think half the value of taking a lineman in this draft is to keep Denver out of the playoffs again. If they cant get Ramczyk, Bolles or even Robinson, their starting tackles will be Donald Stephenson and Menelik Watson- which definitely doesn't equal a wild card spot. 

IF we took one of them, there's still almost 100% certainty one of those guys will be there for them.

And us passing up on potential elite playmakers just to keep Denver from landing the RT or G they want is a terrible reason to take an OL at 16. Theres no guarantee they'll take an OL in the 1st, there are still players on the market and camp cuts to come, its not unheard of that later round OL can make an early impact.... 

So even if us taking OL at 16 meant Denver not getting the guy they wanted.... it doesnt guarantee anything in terms of how they'll play or their chances of making the playoffs.

[jboy19]

30 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

IF we took one of them, there's still almost 100% certainty one of those guys will be there for them.

And us passing up on potential elite playmakers just to keep Denver from landing the RT or G they want is a terrible reason to take an OL at 16. Theres no guarantee they'll take an OL in the 1st, there are still players on the market and camp cuts to come, its not unheard of that later round OL can make an early impact.... 

So even if us taking OL at 16 meant Denver not getting the guy they wanted.... it doesnt guarantee anything in terms of how they'll play or their chances of making the playoffs.

Im not saying thats a good reason to take OL. I don't think Ramczyk or Robinson is great value at 16- maybe Bolles but even he has issues since he's 25 and has limited tape out there. 

But the Broncos being OT-less playing against Mack/Irvin, Houston/Hali, and Ingram/Bosa each twice a year would be sad/funny. 

On a serious note though, the value of non-LT OL in the draft should be higher (not QB high, but still high). Its not really possible anymore to get even decent OL- guards, RTs, centers- in free agency without dropping over 8 mil/year and especially with this draft I think if the team wants to get difference-making OL this year, they'll need to reach. 

Edited March 30 by jboy19

[chunkywill25]

Wish we could land lamp somehow. Reminds me of yanda a lot 

[raven94]

We may have already had this discussion, but if Lamp could snap and play center would he be worth the 16th pick? I believe he can play a mean guard and an ok tackle. If he can be an effectuve center though he could really have the OL do a 180 and go from mediocre to a cowboys/raiders OL.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, raven94 said:

We may have already had this discussion, but if Lamp could snap and play center would he be worth the 16th pick? I believe he can play a mean guard and an ok tackle. If he can be an effectuve center though he could really have the OL do a 180 and go from mediocre to a cowboys/raiders OL.

I think the Ravens could trade back and get either Lamp or Feeney to be a great franchise center. However, I wouldn't complain about Lamp at 16 if he can play center as well as he plays guard.

[PurpleHorseman]

29 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I think the Ravens could trade back and get either Lamp or Feeney to be a great franchise center. However, I wouldn't complain about Lamp at 16 if he can play center as well as he plays guard.

Lamp would be an all pro center. If ravens make line a priority and land one in early rounds and sign a significant cut player. Then the offensive line could be a strength of the team