2017 O line

[52520Andrew]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

To be fair, Garrett wasn't 100% fit for that game.

True but Garrett did make plays when not matched up on him, it isn't like he wasn't near his peak or anything. Robinson did pretty well in that game. 

[AnthonyGames]

Alex Lewis was a better tackle coming out of college than Rick Wagner. More athletic, while the same size. Ravens have had good luck drafting Oline. Stanley and Lewis can be two great young tackles. we need a legit backup tackle, though. 

Yanda- best guard in the game. Check. As for RG, Urschel or Jensen? Zuttah= subpar. I'd say with one of our round 3 picks, we'll come away with a new starting tackle or center. I'd feel good about our line if Lewis can play solid at RT (which I expect), Stanley gets better (which he did by the end of the year), Yanda is healthy, and we come away with a really solid center or guard. 

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, AnthonyGames said:

Alex Lewis was a better tackle coming out of college than Rick Wagner. More athletic, while the same size. Ravens have had good luck drafting Oline. Stanley and Lewis can be two great young tackles. we need a legit backup tackle, though. 

Yanda- best guard in the game. Check. As for RG, Urschel or Jensen? Zuttah= subpar. I'd say with one of our round 3 picks, we'll come away with a new starting tackle or center. I'd feel good about our line if Lewis can play solid at RT (which I expect), Stanley gets better (which he did by the end of the year), Yanda is healthy, and we come away with a really solid center or guard. 

This is true about Lewis at tackle in college. However, he played on the left side and I believe the assessment Ravens made that he looked uncomfortable on the other flank. Makes sense, transition to LG would have been much easier than switching side in a short time he had before the season and on top of it switching side to play in the NFL.

Given more time, he might be able to do it but who knows.

[ravefan52]

It's been said many times the Ravens like Lewis much more at LG

[PurpleHorseman]

39 minutes ago, AnthonyGames said:

Alex Lewis was a better tackle coming out of college than Rick Wagner. More athletic, while the same size. Ravens have had good luck drafting Oline. Stanley and Lewis can be two great young tackles. we need a legit backup tackle, though. 

Yanda- best guard in the game. Check. As for RG, Urschel or Jensen? Zuttah= subpar. I'd say with one of our round 3 picks, we'll come away with a new starting tackle or center. I'd feel good about our line if Lewis can play solid at RT (which I expect), Stanley gets better (which he did by the end of the year), Yanda is healthy, and we come away with a really solid center or guard. 

Yanda is my favorite raven. He and Dixon. But thinking he is the best guard entering season 11 at 33 is expecting to much of him.

[raven94]

7 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

True but Garrett did make plays when not matched up on him, it isn't like he wasn't near his peak or anything. Robinson did pretty well in that game. 

Yeah Garrett vs Cam is basically a prime showing that even if you have ungodly athletic ability and are extremely blessed with freaky length and strength (Myles Garrett) you still have to have skill and polish as a pass rushers. Garret just went at Cam like a madman without a plan and so all Cam had to do was just get a good kick step that went far enough back to cutoff Garrett and then just deliver an ok punch and latch on to him inside. That's why Cam won a lot of the match ups again also Garret for 3 years. Because you can't beat Cam unless you've got good skills as a pass rusher

[52520Andrew]

21 minutes ago, raven94 said:

Yeah Garrett vs Cam is basically a prime showing that even if you have ungodly athletic ability and are extremely blessed with freaky length and strength (Myles Garrett) you still have to have skill and polish as a pass rushers. Garret just went at Cam like a madman without a plan and so all Cam had to do was just get a good kick step that went far enough back to cutoff Garrett and then just deliver an ok punch and latch on to him inside. That's why Cam won a lot of the match ups again also Garret for 3 years. Because you can't beat Cam unless you've got good skills as a pass rusher

Yeah that inside lane was open for much of the game. To be fair to Garrett though, he could have been instructed to come from the outside more to contain Hurts as that guy can really move outside the pocket. Just watch that last run against Clemson to see how effective Hurts is on the move. And even if he wasn't it isn't like he can't learn more pass rushing moves.

But back to Robinson it is good to see he has his technique down for the most part. Really good sign that he can at least stick around at guard. He just may not have that athleticism to stick at OT which is the big question.

[rossihunter2]

10 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Robinson was able to hold his own against Myles Garrett on film so I think he could play tackle but his upside is a bit limited at that position

it was more that garrett had zero polish and didnt threaten the inside that made it easy for cam to deal with him in that game - if myles had rushed to the inside just once in that game he probably would have been all over cam all game just because of the seed of doubt planted in his mind - cam is maybe a right tackle but if he is he really needs to sort out his kick step because otherwise he will be beat with speed every single passing down - as a guard id say he's a top 15 player in the draft, as a tackle he's probably mid-late 20s at best

[52520Andrew]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

it was more that garrett had zero polish and didnt threaten the inside that made it easy for cam to deal with him in that game - if myles had rushed to the inside just once in that game he probably would have been all over cam all game just because of the seed of doubt planted in his mind - cam is maybe a right tackle but if he is he really needs to sort out his kick step because otherwise he will be beat with speed every single passing down - as a guard id say he's a top 15 player in the draft, as a tackle he's probably mid-late 20s at best

Yeah I mentioned that in the comment above yours that the inside was open all day, I do think he has the technique to play tackle but would struggle more with speed. Still, he could work out well enough at tackle with his technique in the right situation but would need chip help with the speed rushers of the world. At guard I think you get a better player as well with that power

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah I mentioned that in the comment above yours that the inside was open all day, I do think he has the technique to play tackle but would struggle more with speed. Still, he could work out well enough at tackle with his technique in the right situation but would need chip help with the speed rushers of the world. At guard I think you get a better player as well with that power

i think it'll be a slightly poorer version of zach martin - he would probably be a good tackle but he could be a probowl type guard... and what is the opportunity cost of using him in either position - that's a choice for individual teams to make i guess

[52520Andrew]

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

i think it'll be a slightly poorer version of zach martin - he would probably be a good tackle but he could be a probowl type guard... and what is the opportunity cost of using him in either position - that's a choice for individual teams to make i guess

Yeah I think a lot of teams will have different opinions on where to put him, I don't see LT going well for him but at Guard he could do well for himself with that power. RT is a bit interesting and I think where most teams will be divided on him. With how bad the O-line class is, teams could be on the more desperate side

[JoeyFlex5]

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@allblackravenI think most NFL teams view Robinson as a guard to begin with, backup tackle if needed. Probably not the worst option for us with how OL free agency is going.

 

if we draft him as a guard and plug him right in, id be happy with it. he looks like a dominant guard, i love the impact he brings off the snap, he really makes an effort to knock his man on his butt or drive him out of the play, a true mauler. if we plan on using him at RT though id be disappointed. with our insistence on lewis at LG i worry about this

Edited March 11 by JoeyFlex5

[PurpleHorseman]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 

if we draft him as a guard and plug him right in, id be happy with it. he looks like a dominant guard, i love the impact he brings off the snap, he really makes an effort to knock his man on his butt or drive him out of the play, a true mauler. if we plan on using him at RT though id be disappointed. with our insistence on lewis at LG i worry about this

I think Robinson could be a really good RT. His deficiencies are coachable. Like running his feet as opposed to lunging when it's unnecessary. He isn't Greg Robinson at all.  Greg is very uncoordinated. Cam could be a pretty good RT with some coaching. But even at Guard he is a good pick. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I think Robinson could be a really good RT. His deficiencies are coachable. Like running his feet as opposed to lunging when it's unnecessary. He isn't Greg Robinson at all.  Greg is very uncoordinated. Cam could be a pretty good RT with some coaching. But even at Guard he is a good pick. 

I hate his tendency to turn his hips early, he needs to develop a better sense of body positioning and squaring his shoulders to shield guys off, and I feel like he kinda chases down blocks in pass pro sometimes and isn't passive/patient enough. All very coachable things, I just prefer him a guard by a mile because his road grading style will work best when hes in a phone booth with guys on the interior.

[RaineV1]

So, with Zuttah gone, I think the chances went up that we grab a center in the draft. Depending on who is there at 16 a trade back for Feeney seems like an even better idea than it was before, or grabbing Elflein in the second. Isaac Asiata has some experience at C too, and he could be the mauler at the position that the Ravens want.

[52520Andrew]

So with our O-line lacking some depth and having a hole at RT, I may as well throw out the idea of getting Ryan Ramczyk at 16 to plug and play at RT. Really good blocking for the run and solid enough in pass pro, he could make the O-line pretty good if we can get decent play at Center. Him and Yanda on the same side would be a devastating combo with their run blocking which could do wonders to help set up our play action. 

[allblackraven]

42 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

So with our O-line lacking some depth and having a hole at RT, I may as well throw out the idea of getting Ryan Ramczyk at 16 to plug and play at RT. Really good blocking for the run and solid enough in pass pro, he could make the O-line pretty good if we can get decent play at Center. Him and Yanda on the same side would be a devastating combo with their run blocking which could do wonders to help set up our play action. 

I see that as pretty realistic scenario.

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I see that as pretty realistic scenario.

i guess situations like this are when i wonder just how much need plays into the BPA because that is a really good situation for this football club to find itself in yet there will more likely be better playmakers available - i really wish we needed a guard and not a tackle because id feel much better about the first round guards than ramczyk - there is something to be said for having a guy with an unspellable name to replace juice

its a weird feeling because i feel like it would really improve the team and yet somehow wouldnt be the best value pick considering i have him currently sat at 31 on my big board behind 4 other O linemen but all who i project at guard (you could argue that robinson or bolles could work at tackle too) - the more i watch film though, the more i could buy in on a cam robinson at 16 as long as he's playing guard - i am sat here salivating at the prospect of having stanley and robinson on the left side of the line, yanda at right guard and then maybe lewis at right tackle or at worst he is backup left tackle and left guard - it just makes so much sense to put those two next to each other - stanley has great footwork in space and cam is so powerful when in a phonebooth

but i digress - i would disappointed if ramczyk was the pick but id be understanding - we want playmakers in every draft but sometimes team building isnt always about playmakers alone

[jboy19]

I think if there's one prospect I could strike off the Ravens board completely, it'd be Cam Robinson. As far as Bama OTs I actually liked Fluker and Kouandjio more coming out. 

[January J]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

So, with Zuttah gone, I think the chances went up that we grab a center in the draft. Depending on who is there at 16 a trade back for Feeney seems like an even better idea than it was before, or grabbing Elflein in the second. Isaac Asiata has some experience at C too, and he could be the mauler at the position that the Ravens want.

All three of those players are very good options and a trade back for Feeney sure is looking good right about now- esp with Sidney Jones now out of the equation. If the other top corners are gone and barring someone like Barnett or foster being there- I say we attempt to trade back and grab Feeney without hesitation. Esp if a FA center isn't brought in- you have to imagine drafting one is a no brainer.

Edited March 15 by January J

[allblackraven]

41 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i guess situations like this are when i wonder just how much need plays into the BPA because that is a really good situation for this football club to find itself in yet there will more likely be better playmakers available - i really wish we needed a guard and not a tackle because id feel much better about the first round guards than ramczyk - there is something to be said for having a guy with an unspellable name to replace juice

its a weird feeling because i feel like it would really improve the team and yet somehow wouldnt be the best value pick considering i have him currently sat at 31 on my big board behind 4 other O linemen but all who i project at guard (you could argue that robinson or bolles could work at tackle too) - the more i watch film though, the more i could buy in on a cam robinson at 16 as long as he's playing guard - i am sat here salivating at the prospect of having stanley and robinson on the left side of the line, yanda at right guard and then maybe lewis at right tackle or at worst he is backup left tackle and left guard - it just makes so much sense to put those two next to each other - stanley has great footwork in space and cam is so powerful when in a phonebooth

but i digress - i would disappointed if ramczyk was the pick but id be understanding - we want playmakers in every draft but sometimes team building isnt always about playmakers alone

I get more disappointed down the line when playmaker takes 2-3 years to learn what he needs to be doing, while we cannot run the ball or protect our QB. I'd be fine with either and Lamp as well

[Italian Raven]

35 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

would disappointed if ramczyk was the pick but id be understanding - we want playmakers in every draft but sometimes team building isnt always about playmakers alone

Same here. I wouldn't like it one bit because we have a realistic shot at one top tier talent between Wilson, Barnett, Harris, Lattimore, Williams, Davis, Fournette, Thomas, Howard, Foster, Lawson, McKinley (with Garrett, Allen, Adams and 1-2 qbs going before #16). It would take me a while to talk myself into liking a different pick but I guess I'd understand the reasons.

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Same here. I wouldn't like it one bit because we have a realistic shot at one top tier talent between Wilson, Barnett, Harris, Lattimore, Williams, Davis, Fournette, Thomas, Howard, Foster, Lawson, McKinley (with Garrett, Allen, Adams and 1-2 qbs going before #16). It would take me a while to talk myself into liking a different pick but I guess I'd understand the reasons.

for me - if you assume that garrett, adams, hooker, lattimore, fournette, allen and a couple of qbs (or 1 and dalvin cook as well) go before the pick then i could see us getting the leftovers of williams, williams, davis, thomas, robinson, foster, barnett, harris

[hn68wb4]

I wouldn't mind if Robinson is the pick, a little disappointed that we wouldn't be getting EDGE/CB/WR but the line is vital to success. I think Robinson will be an elite LG from the start, don't like him at OT at all, but he looks like he'll do work on the inside. Next to Stanley the left side of our line will be deadly and Yanda, Lewis on the right side ain't too shabby either. Center is really the spot that concerns me.

[purpletide]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

for me - if you assume that garrett, adams, hooker, lattimore, fournette, allen and a couple of qbs (or 1 and dalvin cook as well) go before the pick then i could see us getting the leftovers of williams, williams, davis, thomas, robinson, foster, barnett, harris

I still think Humphrey is reasonable considering I see 2 corners going before him

[rossihunter2]

33 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I think if there's one prospect I could strike off the Ravens board completely, it'd be Cam Robinson. As far as Bama OTs I actually liked Fluker and Kouandjio more coming out. 

i think the thing here is he doesnt project as a tackle for me - i think he's a guard and i think he could be a pro-bowl type guard

[ravensnation5220]

Has anyone considered the idea that we could move yanda to right tackle if they think Lewis is uncomfortable there and just draft a plug and play games like lamp. He could learn next to yanda too or he could just be the right tackle

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, purpletide said:

I still think Humphrey is reasonable considering I see 2 corners going before him

im not sure i see more than 1 corner going before 16 anymore - not sure a team is going to bite on wilson/humphrey early - i expect a mid-late first round run on corners (we may well start it) but i really cant see any corner other than lattimore going before us now after sidney jones's unfortunate injury

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Has anyone considered the idea that we could move yanda to right tackle if they think Lewis is uncomfortable there and just draft a plug and play games like lamp. He could learn next to yanda too or he could just be the right tackle

absolutely no way - why move your all-pro guard to tackle - by doing that you make two positions worse rather than just one - and you cant have lamp at right tackle, his footwork isnt good enough and his arms arent long enough

[52520Andrew]

10 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

absolutely no way - why move your all-pro guard to tackle - by doing that you make two positions worse rather than just one - and you cant have lamp at right tackle, his footwork isnt good enough and his arms arent long enough

Yeah don't get the talk of moving Yanda to RT, I mean Yanda is decent there but he is so much more valuable at Guard.