[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Oakland Raiders

[whobilly]

The interior line play on both sides of the ball needs to step it up.... The league office needs to check Crabtree for banned Bilentikoff stickum.

The receiver gloves are much better than stickum ever was.

[J.O.14]

  6 hours ago, flynismo said:

  8 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Joe had a flea flicker and missed a wide open WR but I guess that's Trestman fault! All they had to do is get a 1st down and Joe didn't get it done PERIOD!

Interesting how you neglected to mention that Mack was busy steamrolling Joe while he was trying to get the ball out, due to the absolute crap job by our OL

So if the pocket is collapsing why doesn't Joe slide up to a open spot or move the pocket like I see Big Ben and Andy Dalton do?! They move around extend the play to get results and the O line did good enough to get the run game going so why can't Joe run a flea flicker and miss an open WR?! I am losing confidence in Joe and he needs to step his game up because teams will always rush the edges and if he doesn't keep his head on a swivel teams will continue to get behind him and cause more sacks and fumbles!

It's a lot easier to say that than to do it. The only reliable person on our line is Yanda. Our line was terrible yesterday, and Flacco was under constant pressure. The one time he did evade pressure and try to scramble to keep a play alive he got strip/sacked. Flacco also made a heck of a throw back across his body when moving outside the pocket to Gilmore. Sometimes stepping up is nice, but often times when Flacco steps up, he gets smacked. I'm not denying his toughness at all, because we all know how tough the dude is and he is willing to put his body on the line.

Now, do I think he is still a little gun shy with the knee? Yeah I do. Sometimes he doesn't step into throws the way he use to, and is really relying on his arm strength. That's why I think a couple of his throws are low when he throws some of these drag/crossing patterns to his left. Having Hurst and Jensen in there makes it tough to trust the line as well. Our line was a big issue yesterday, along with some play calling.

[BigUgly]

How much effort did Trestman have to put in to completely dismantle the successful system Kubiak put in?  The O-Line proved it can run block, but only if the running plays are called (and not all from the shotgun, please).  Kubiak proved the running game sets up play action, and keeps the QB from getting lit up.  Finally, when the pass rush does come, Kubiak used sliding protections / rollouts to move the pocket and made use of more creative formations and screens to keep the defense off balance.  He also allowed Joe greater flexibility to audible to adjust plays in the moment.  Trestman apparently believes in none of that.  He's a less effective Cam Cameron, who never deviates from an unsuccessful script.

As for the defense?  Sometimes Pees' bend-but-don't blitz defense pays off, but it not with Shareece Wright on the field against a good QB.  Really wish we could've brought Jim Schwartz back home.  Hey, maybe Pagano will be available this offseason.

[steelcityraven]

5 Thoughts:

1. We still cannot close out a team - With the game on he line. I am not confident that our defense can make a play to win the game. This is a Baltimore Ravens defense and a team that has invested a ton in that side of the ball. Still not a Pees fan!

2. Where is the pass rush. We passed on a lot of top notch players in the draft in order to build a pass rush and it seemed non existent vs the Raiders. We obviously have people who can get after the QB is it the scheme?

3. I would love to see us go out and get another CB (via trade)? IDK -but I am tired of seeing mediocre WR's like Crabtree burn us repeatedly! SMH

4. What is up with Urschel. Thought he would be inserted and that it would give us some help on the left side of that line. Hope Stanley gets better quickly bc Joe was under constant duress.

5. I wish we would have tried to kick the field goal at the end of the game. I know it would have been a 68 yarder but he does hit them in practice and I think the likelihood of converting a 4down and 10 was not much better. Give Tucker a chance to set the record (even is he missed - the result would have been the same!

[The Mom Gene]

We could not keep Kalil Mack away from Joe.... I cannot overstate how important a good offensive line is... and ours stunk it up yesterday too. That was HUGE! period.

[flynismo]

3 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

So if the pocket is collapsing why doesn't Joe slide up to a open spot or move the pocket like I see Big Ben and Andy Dalton do?! They move around extend the play to get results and the O line did good enough to get the run game going so why can't Joe run a flea flicker and miss an open WR?! I am losing confidence in Joe and he needs to step his game up because teams will always rush the edges and if he doesn't keep his head on a swivel teams will continue to get behind him and cause more sacks and fumbles!

It was a flea flicker. He had no time to step up in the pocket, Mack got to Flacco nearly as soon as the ball was tossed back to him. Had he tried stepping up, he would have gotten smashed anyway, and taken a sack. He chose to at least get the ball out while getting hit.

[harfordravenfan]

18 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

5 Thoughts:

1. We still cannot close out a team - With the game on he line. I am not confident that our defense can make a play to win the game. This is a Baltimore Ravens defense and a team that has invested a ton in that side of the ball. Still not a Pees fan!

2. Where is the pass rush. We passed on a lot of top notch players in the draft in order to build a pass rush and it seemed non existent vs the Raiders. We obviously have people who can get after the QB is it the scheme?

3. I would love to see us go out and get another CB (via trade)? IDK -but I am tired of seeing mediocre WR's like Crabtree burn us repeatedly! SMH

4. What is up with Urschel. Thought he would be inserted and that it would give us some help on the left side of that line. Hope Stanley gets better quickly bc Joe was under constant duress.

5. I wish we would have tried to kick the field goal at the end of the game. I know it would have been a 68 yarder but he does hit them in practice and I think the likelihood of converting a 4down and 10 was not much better. Give Tucker a chance to set the record (even is he missed - the result would have been the same!

Sadly, I was thinking the same thing on our last play. With the o-line struggling all game, I felt better about Justin trying a 68 yarder than i did trying to convert a 4th and 10

[Ravensfansince03]

We lost this game for not running the ball when we should have smh. Trestman is out of whack, and Harbaugh doesn't have a clue.

[KidNme]

I love reading the comments. I believe that most here are right about their assessments but not as much as they are mad about the outcomes sometimes. Here's my take on our team thus far.....(After a day to calm down!)
Joe is a good QB about 2 to 3 out of 5 plays or so on average, but surely is not "Elite".
This is football and there will be pressure (Unless you're Oakland Sunday) and Joe needs to be smarter with the football. One hopping balls and throwing to double/triple covered WR's off your back foot is not Elite, especially after 8 years of some of the best QB coaches in the game helping him. I don't care how much pressure there is. Yes, there were dropped balls and that happens but for someone getting paid over 100million dollars to play a game, I expect more. Actually break down his salary and divide by the amount of plays he makes in live games. It's several thousand dollars for each play. (Probably why a $40 Jersey cost $100 and it's several hundred dollars for two people to actually go to one game but I digress)
Our O-line obviously has some issues and our one normally uncontested "great" line player Yanda is not having great games of late. Jensen and Hurst aren't expected to be all that good, it's why they aren't normally starters and Trestman isn't as bad as he looks. I'm not saying he's the best but you can only do as good as what you have to work with and explaining what he "could have/ should have done", after the fact is not fair to anyone.
Jimmy Smith and Geesh Wright are not great corners and moving Webby to safety didn't do much for us although he finally had a few tackles Sunday, you won't find him on the ground much. You'll see him standing somewhere near the play but not close enough normally to do anything.
There's only 2 offensive guys that consistently block down field, SSS and Pitta. Everyone else just stands there.
Special teams isn't nearly as good as they portray them to be. 2 or 3 good plays out of 3 games is not good ST.
One fan wrote that we look like an 8-8 team and I too believe that's a fair assessment. It may not please the Kool-aid drinkers but at this point, I believe that's fair so let's be real.
One last thing,
When I look at the penalties and see it's usually a multi year veteran, that really ticks me off! You kind of expect it from a 1st year player at times but not from a Vet. That's a problem I think we've always had and I believe it has something to do with "some players" getting a free passes on that stuff. When I asses a player or teams ability, or even a worker in Wal-Mart, I equate it to how much they get paid to do their jobs. Although KO thinks 8 million isn't that much money, most of us won't make that much in a lifetime. If they played just for the "love of the game", I wouldn't complain nearly as much :-)

[Space11jams]

5 Thoughts:

1. We still cannot close out a team - With the game on he line. I am not confident that our defense can make a play to win the game. This is a Baltimore Ravens defense and a team that has invested a ton in that side of the ball. Still not a Pees fan!

2. Where is the pass rush. We passed on a lot of top notch players in the draft in order to build a pass rush and it seemed non existent vs the Raiders. We obviously have people who can get after the QB is it the scheme?

3. I would love to see us go out and get another CB (via trade)? IDK -but I am tired of seeing mediocre WR's like Crabtree burn us repeatedly! SMH

4. What is up with Urschel. Thought he would be inserted and that it would give us some help on the left side of that line. Hope Stanley gets better quickly bc Joe was under constant duress.

5. I wish we would have tried to kick the field goal at the end of the game. I know it would have been a 68 yarder but he does hit them in practice and I think the likelihood of converting a 4down and 10 was not much better. Give Tucker a chance to set the record (even is he missed - the result would have been the same!

The defense won us three games so far this year without a pass rush. Lets give them some credit. Both our sack leaders are dealing with some stuff that they need to come back from. It's going to take some time for them to get it going. I'll give it after the bye and they should be hitting. This is effecting the DB's play forcing them to cover longer than what they should. Trading for a corner is not going to happen. No one trades good corners. We were unsuccessful in trading up to get Ramsey and Norman was wayyy to expensive. I thought Urschel should've played as well and the FG kick I agree with as well.

[iluvpurple]

  7 hours ago, flynismo said:

  9 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Joe had a flea flicker and missed a wide open WR but I guess that's Trestman fault! All they had to do is get a 1st down and Joe didn't get it done PERIOD!

Interesting how you neglected to mention that Mack was busy steamrolling Joe while he was trying to get the ball out, due to the absolute crap job by our OL

So if the pocket is collapsing why doesn't Joe slide up to a open spot or move the pocket like I see Big Ben and Andy Dalton do?! They move around extend the play to get results and the O line did good enough to get the run game going so why can't Joe run a flea flicker and miss an open WR?! I am losing confidence in Joe and he needs to step his game up because teams will always rush the edges and if he doesn't keep his head on a swivel teams will continue to get behind him and cause more sacks and fumbles!

You do realize Joe is coming off of major knee surgery less than a year ago, and is dragging around a cumbersome knee brace on his 6'6" frame, right? How mobile do you expect him to be, when he is a pretty big guy to begin with? He got hit pretty good in the ribs yesterday early, not to mention getting hit or chased the majority of the game, he NEEDS BETTER PROTECTION, period.

[OUravensfan]

I'd sure love to play these cocky profanity deleted in a playoff game this year

Edited October 3, 2016 by OUravensfan

[Derrel]

  3 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

  8 hours ago, flynismo said:

  10 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Joe had a flea flicker and missed a wide open WR but I guess that's Trestman fault! All they had to do is get a 1st down and Joe didn't get it done PERIOD!

Interesting how you neglected to mention that Mack was busy steamrolling Joe while he was trying to get the ball out, due to the absolute crap job by our OL

So if the pocket is collapsing why doesn't Joe slide up to a open spot or move the pocket like I see Big Ben and Andy Dalton do?! They move around extend the play to get results and the O line did good enough to get the run game going so why can't Joe run a flea flicker and miss an open WR?! I am losing confidence in Joe and he needs to step his game up because teams will always rush the edges and if he doesn't keep his head on a swivel teams will continue to get behind him and cause more sacks and fumbles!

You do realize Joe is coming off of major knee surgery less than a year ago, and is dragging around a cumbersome knee brace on his 6'6" frame, right? How mobile do you expect him to be, when he is a pretty big guy to begin with? He got hit pretty good in the ribs yesterday early, not to mention getting hit or chased the majority of the game, he NEEDS BETTER PROTECTION, period.

Purpledawg.....not Flacco's game. As mentioned, he's coming off a knee injury. The best offensive performances for the Ravens will be when the OL blocks for him. Wagner needs to get going. He let his guy in many times during the afternoon. Also, don't like Aiken, move him down on the list.

[Derrel]

Wonder why that last pass didn't go to Pitta. Strange to throw that ball to Aiken, he's got nothing. Steve Smith and Pitta are the ball control guys. Bad play. Also, game not on TV here. I was wondering how Osemele did??

[griffrb]

We say we're a physical, run dominant team, but we pass 52 times, 30 in the first half, 20+ straight times? That has never been a formula for success. So Joe can't audible if his pre-reads determines a deeper pass play is more appropriate? Obvious issues: OC, Oline lacks push and a weak blocking scheme, lack of commitment to Ravens style football: running game, discipline and focus (10 penalties), inability to adjust the game plan, decision-making - always kick the PAT early in the game.

[Derrel]

Ben puts up big points against a much better team.....

[thegooddoc456]

Lol...seems like everyone is sick of Trestman, just like the good people of Chicago were sick of him. But who hired Trestman? The same 'clueless one' that hired Greg Mattison, Cam Cameron and the fan favorite Dean Pees.

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

We could not keep Kalil Mack away from Joe.... I cannot overstate how important a good offensive line is... and ours stunk it up yesterday too. That was HUGE! period.

I'm not defending the horrendous play of our Oline lately. But I'm also not gonna defend Trestman for continuously putting our linemen in "no win" situations. Mack was obviously killing Hurst. Yet, he was getting 1vs1 way more than my liking. Just put a TE on macks side all game if that's what it takes.

Also, do you remember when the Patriots had like 5 backups on that line? Brady was getting passes off in less than 2 seconds. Trestman keeps drawing up intermediate to long developing plays against blitzes and 2-4 yard plays when we need 5 or 6.

Last but not least, when is Flacco gonna have a hot route on every play when our line struggles?

I'm done with Trestman!

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, griffrb said:

We say we're a physical, run dominant team, but we pass 52 times, 30 in the first half, 20+ straight times? That has never been a formula for success. So Joe can't audible if his pre-reads determines a deeper pass play is more appropriate? Obvious issues: OC, Oline lacks push and a weak blocking scheme, lack of commitment to Ravens style football: running game, discipline and focus (10 penalties), inability to adjust the game plan, decision-making - always kick the PAT early in the game.

Inability to adjust game plan....

Bingo!

[The Mom Gene]

1 minute ago, Halshayeji said:

 

I'm done with Trestman!

As are a lot of people....  and it was the same with Cam, and Calwell, and even Kubiak at times 2 years ago.  That's 4 different OC's....  Just sayin...  hmmmm.

[Halshayeji]

10 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

As are a lot of people....  and it was the same with Cam, and Calwell, and even Kubiak at times 2 years ago.  That's 4 different OC's....  Just sayin...  hmmmm.

I understand continuity is vital in the NFL but come on now. It's been 20 game days and there's absolutely no rythem to this offense. At least show me some progress, anywhere! All I've seen is regression and pointing at the Oline. Sure they could up their game but a smart coordinator works his way around things like that not drive head on into your teams weakness. It's getting comical at this point. We have a struggling line so let's draw up the slowest developing plays and throw it 50 times a game. 

What really sucks is that whenever we have a superstar coordinator, he gets hired as a HC. Whenever we have a horrendous coordinator, we are forced to keep him until a season or 2 go to trash.

sorry I'm going on and on but I'm just a passionate Raven that's grieving lol

[dirtybird66]

oh,is that what happens when you run across a team that you gave up your best o-lineman to,you generate no pressure,if thats the case don't plan on winning in pittsburg,i think they have a great line or cincy either.

[The Mom Gene]

2 minutes ago, dirtybird66 said:

oh,is that what happens when you run across a team that you gave up your best o-lineman to,you generate no pressure,if thats the case don't plan on winning in pittsburg,i think they have a great line or cincy either.

THE GUY GOT $11M FROM THE RAIDERS.. HE'S THE HIGHEST PAID LINEMAN IN THE NFL.. No way we could have afforded to keep him and add guys like Watson, Weddle, Wallace...  etc...  Come on Dude.

 

[OUravensfan]

1 hour ago, Derrel said:

Wonder why that last pass didn't go to Pitta. Strange to throw that ball to Aiken, he's got nothing. Steve Smith and Pitta are the ball control guys. Bad play. Also, game not on TV here. I was wondering how Osemele did??

I'm assuming well from a pass blocking perspective, Carr had all day to throw, 5 seconds on some plays. 0 pressure Night and day contrast with ours 

[dirtybird66]

sad that at home we were the team that lacked focus,not the team that flew 4000 miles and played at 9 in the morning,were not tough enough mentally,we always seem to feel bad for our opponents,oh so soory we scored here you can come right down and score or we'll score than never score until the other team catches up,seemed like SSR was th only one fired up yesterday.

[dirtybird66]

OSEMELE called out the RAVENS pass rush yesterday and they had no answer.

[The Mom Gene]

1 minute ago, OUravensfan said:

I'm assuming well from a pass blocking perspective, Carr had all day to throw, 5 seconds on some plays. 0 pressure Night and day contrast with ours 

Yup...  and you heard Dumervil say that he has to get his swimming legs back.  He's not 100% either...

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, dirtybird66 said:

OSEMELE called out the RAVENS pass rush yesterday and they had no answer.

See above

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, The Mom Gene said:

See above

Waaahhh....  Osemele is bitter....  He wanted to stay.  And we weren't paying him that kind of money.  I don't blame Ozzie or Steve.

[OUravensfan]

1 hour ago, Derrel said:

Ben puts up big points against a much better team.....

To be fair the chiefs played terrible and are being dominated as a team. Joe hasn't had an easy day so far this year.