[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Oakland Raiders

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A strange day. Scrutiny shifts from running game to passing game. Blame loss on 'sloppiness trifecta.' Defense held up well against No. 2 offense, but lacked pass rush.

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[Rahul]

Our offensive scheme is outright BAD !

[PalmBayRaven]

The loss is totally on the Offense. Kind of pathetic really. Just makes me sick!

[terpmaniac]

Win in hand. Ravens toss win in the toilet.

[ravens4life86]

Loss is on Trestman. Guy is inept. Fire Trestman. Your ramming it down their throats over 100yrds with West. And continuously game in&game out 45 to 50 passes hes going to get Joe killed. You have backups in, who are below avg at best. Holding call after holding call...gave Hurst&Jensson little to no help.

Pathetic coaching

[Zeus]

Our offensive scheme is outright BAD !

Yes, correct

[Baller MD]

Dejavú!  Not only did Oakland and Carr beat us in similar fashion last year but this is the first game this season that resembles Ravens games from 2012-2015 seasons... Let's see: offense can't get going until 2nd half; defense keeps the game close but gives up a TD late in the game when we need a stop; stupid or conservative offensive playcalling; and bad coaching decisions.  

I was so hoping to prove all the Ravens haters wrong who thought we'd be exposed today and get our first "L".  Instead, I'm having flashbacks of previous years. 

[ravenmaniac112351]

Perriman dropped another one today. That is 3 drops in the last 2 games. I think he hears footsteps when he goes over the middle.

[ravens4life86]

5 Takeaways...
1) Trestman is Inept
2) Trestman will be Responsible for Joe getting injured again, throwing 50x a game.
3) Any other legit OC "who can actually read a game" and is not allergic to the run game, the ravens are still undefeated
4) Ravens Defense played their backsides off. I counted atleast 4-5 3&outs and several more key stops. Aleast 4-5 empty possessions for Oakland in which The Ravens offense did 0.
5) Joe got killed all day because Hurst&Jensson were horrible with a capital H, and multiple penalties messed up the offense, which goes back to Trestman not "Running the ball more"


Everything points to Trestmans ineptness

[jjengel]

besides 3 quarters of horrific offense, the loss should go to harbs for accepting that penalty and the then the circus that ensued. give up 15 yards then line up in the neutral zone!!! terrible terrible terrible. 3 terrible quarters of trestman offense. no wonder the guy is a journeyman coach

[balfan23]

“We’re all just sick we couldn’t get 10 more yards for Justin.” - yes, we all do. That's really all it would have taken. That's why that dropped 1st down pass was devastating. That's 5 or 6 yards right there. That changes our approach. We run it after that and if we get a first, we run it for 3 downs and kick with no clock. If no first, we're still sitting at around a 60 yarder and Justin has a fair shot at getting that. Really, really costly and right in his hands.

[omar586]

reasons we lost da game:

pass protection is horrible
getting away from run game.

[SackMaster]

I'm dumbfounded by the fact that Juszczyk was not a part of the game plan from the beginning. They started 2 backups on the left side of the OL and the running game was already questionable. The difference between the offense was like night and day after they got #44 on the field. When Trestman was hired, Ravens PR claimed that he was going to build on what Kubiak had established the previous year, but nothing we've seen from Trestman even remotely resembles Kubiak's scheme. On big difference is how Kubiak used #44- he was always picking up yards on screens and that impacted the opponents' pass rush big time. I don't understand how an OC can fail to utilize a proven strategy game after game. He calls plays like he's still coaching a CFL team and frankly, he should go back to coaching a CFL team.

[BKeyser]

Stating the obvious, we lost in the trenches. O-line was really, really bad. And our D got no pressure on Carr. That's the game right there. Flacco under duress all day and Carr eating up 24.

The Watson injury really hurts.

[jjengel]

5 Takeaways...
1) Trestman is Inept
2) Trestman will be Responsible for Joe getting injured again, throwing 50x a game.
3) Any other legit OC "who can actually read a game" and is not allergic to the run game, the ravens are still undefeated
4) Ravens Defense played their backsides off. I counted atleast 4-5 3&outs and several more key stops. Aleast 4-5 empty possessions for Oakland in which The Ravens offense did 0.
5) Joe got killed all day because Hurst&Jensson were horrible with a capital H, and multiple penalties messed up the offense, which goes back to Trestman not "Running the ball more"


Everything points to Trestmans ineptness

i can't agree more. 4 games in and every single game our offense is just terribly inept

[Ibleedperple]

The Ravens got out coached, out played, and manhandled throughout the game. The offensive line was pathetic.

Trestman cannot call a game. it's terrible with the talent we have this year. The offense is so predictable, its sad.

 

[picke]

We self-destructed. So hard to see us dominate the stats, yet get outplayed and not deserve a W.

[jjengel]

i fully expect to see mallet under center as flacco will get hurt again with the plays we are running. joe is not the problem

[Ibleedperple]

They won't beat anybody this year with a decent pass rush. Time to get rid of Trestman, If Harbs don't know that by now

Time for him to be on the hot seat. He was totally out schooled by Rio today

[cbrook1862]

People say we got away rom the run game, but our use of it in the 2nd half is what allowed us to come back. After we found out that it was even possible to run the ball, we ran it a lot and I loved it. However I do believe that we should've ran the ball at the end to pick up the first down and field goal range we needed. They weren't stopping it so we should've continued to do it. I think this game we found out that we actually do have a running game and it can be pretty good.

[ravens4life86]

cbrook1862,
Your comment directly reflects Trestman ineptness and inability "To read a game"
1) Yes we used the run to get back into the game 2nd half.
2) However like stated end game playcalling and completely agree. Trestman quickly forgets/gets allergic to run success like the last 4 straight passes of the game.
3) It was 7 rushes to 21 passes at half. Thats a horrible ratio with backups like Hurst/Jensson in who are below avg. Which they didnt chip much or keep Gillmore in to help

[law215]

The positives from this game are that Ravens will battle for 60 minutes. They never quit and can hang tough. The defense held the #2 offense under 100 yards rushing and under 200 yards passing. How did we lose....

1. Trestman: He does not have any concern for the running game or Joe’s Health. 52 passes will not win games for most QBs, but definitely not Joe. At one point there were 18 passes in a row.

You would think after coming off an ACL/MCL injury your coordinator would make protecting Joe a priority. He does not add TEs or RBs to support the same backups on the O-line that got Joe hurt last season. Inexcusable.

2. Joe: He is Mr. Hot and Cold. He runs the plays as they are called and seems like he does not adjust.
52 passes and he still does not pass 300 yards. With all these weapons, that is also unacceptable.

On the other side, Carr with only 3 years of experience, threw 35 times, for 4 TDs, and a 123 QB rating.

3. Coaching: Are they arrogant or just poor decision makers?
Going for 2 early in the game when your offense is struggling is a head scratcher.
Also, removing a 4th down on an offense that is ranked #2 in the league. SMH?

Has backups on the online and still insisted or calling pass play after pass play.

Wright got exposed. Why no switch? Was there any doubt when Webb got hurt they would go to Lewis side?

4. Offense line: Hurst and Jensen are terrible. Zuttah has been playing subpar. There is no question why a rookie like Lewis beat out the veterans. They stink. Joe won’t last with Hurst out there.

5. Penalties: Killed drives today. Raiders had fewer yards, less time of Possession, less plays, more hits on our QB. They won in the trenches Raiders ran the ball 19 times cause they knew Wright was a weakness they could target.

[Minionhunter]

Backup left side of the line nearly got Joe killed. No zone blocking like under Kubiak (it is not illegal, Denver and Atlanta still use it effectively). Harbs had to say something at halftime like run the ball 10 straight times or you are fired, and then when it worked and Trestman saw Oakland couldn't stop it he switched to straight passes to end the game. Trestman panicked and went to the only thing he knows, passing. Trestman should go and Castillo should go, right along with benching of Wright who can't cover anyone.

[ravens4life86]

If for whatever reason Lewis and or Stanley cant go next week, I would assume a set back because they should be ready.
Then Ravens have to seriously consider putting Yanda at LT, Uerschel at G. Jansson can be satisfactory if needed at other G. But Hurst gets beat like a rented mule..its going to put Joe on IR slinging it 50x a game with that kind of avg protection

[n#7]

The lack of pass rush stood out glaringly and Carr had all day to throw. The blame can't be solely blamed on the DB's. One thing is becoming clearer by the week...Elvis & Terrell are showing their ages and the backups aren't stepping up to the fore. With that BYU fella out for the year and Stanley now hurt it might have been advisable to go D with that # 4 pick.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

This game is on the coaches. You went for two instead of take the guaranteed point which would have made Oakland have to convert a two point to take win or lose. There is little point going for two when you are behind. When your ahead you go for two, because as you can see it comes back to bite you.

Accepting the penalty on 4th down was just awful. They were rolling and you can get off the field held to FG, but no lets give them a crack at a TD.

Don't get me started with total lack of discipline today. Both sides had some terrible calls against them.

With this many weapons on offense, they should be putting up at least 7 in each quarter. There really seemed to be a lack of motivation to make the most of out their opportunities. When the offense has difficulty doing much against a defense that until today had not looked great, says so much more about the state of the offense.

Way to waste home field advantage too. Might as well start rolling out welcome mats for opponents if that is all the fight your going to put up. Heck tell the fans to show up for the start of fourth quarter. Don't worry, they won't complain since the offense won't have done much yet and you'll have saved them the frustration of watching rookie mistakes being made on game day.

The only bright spot on this game is the fact Weedle was not seriously injured and returned to the field.

[cobrajet]

Here is a thought. How about Trestman helping Hurst with the pass rush by putting in Juice or Gilmore to help block. It would have helped prevent some of those holding penalties and just maybe gave Joe a little time to complete a pass. Maybe Pees could have even given Wright a little safety help today, especially in the red zone. It did not take a genius to see he was struggling....again! I am just disgusted with the coaching today. I put this loss on them today.

[cbrook1862]

1 Good: We discovered our run game, and our workhorse starting rb. RB by committee doesn't work, not only for us, but in the NFL, or football period. A team needs a consistent starting rb, and West is that guy for us.

2 Bad: We lost.... and we shouldn't have. It's the obvious, we lost our first game, at home, and all we needed was 10 yards to win. I think the thing that hurts the most is that the ending almost seemed automatic, or set in stone like it was scripted. We've experienced it over and over.
Not much time, we march down the field far enough to just meet Tucker's range, he kicks it and we win. Every one of us ravens fans including myself was just so confident bc we couldn't imagine it happening any other, it's what we knew was going to happen. Except this time it didn't go down that way even though we were 10 yards away from it going just how we though it would.

3 The lesson: I think the team finally learned that they can't expect to play like they have week In and week out and keep winning these too close for comfort games. I think they finally got it, like you cant keep winning by 1-5 points every week, that success only last for so long. Eventually your gonna have to play a solid/good overall game with consistent play and win, and if not, then lose.

Heartbreaking - yes, but we all know how resilient this organization is, and like true ravens fashion, they will adjust and look forward to playing the 'Skins and hopefully win.

[shiri2]

...the way we played today reminded me of how we use to play 2 yrs ago where we would fight hard to come back and take the lead and have our opponent against the ropes in crunch time and we then we turn around and let'em back in the game by our "D" giving up a splash play late, late in the game and we come away losers with our heads hung down when we have no one to blame but ourselves. You mean we couldn't any part of 10 yds to get Tucker within his range??? And Flacco hit Aiken right in the chest with that last pass, and he dropped it! I get it...it was a contested catch, but you gotta make that catch in that kind of "do or die" situation!! Just like SSS did in the 3rd quarter to extend our drive and then would not be denied as he headed into the endzone and finished it with a sommersault. That's how you "play like a Raven!!" Relentless!!

[Ronan Freitas]

People say we got away rom the run game, but our use of it in the 2nd half is what allowed us to come back. After we found out that it was even possible to run the ball, we ran it a lot and I loved it. However I do believe that we should've ran the ball at the end to pick up the first down and field goal range we needed. They weren't stopping it so we should've continued to do it. I think this game we found out that we actually do have a running game and it can be pretty good.

i think that we got away from the running game exactly when we didn't run at the last 4 downs even when we were running pretty good at the last drive, that's what people are complaining about, we didn't found that was possible to run because Trestman called 5 runs and 29 passes for the first half, i agree with you, it seems we found a running game, the question is whether Trestman found it too