2017 first round Corner back

[MarcusAirborne2]

It time to adress the 2nd cornerback posistion behind jimmy smith, he been playing lights out but he need to be paired with some young talent, we could of had Jalen Ramesy this year but Ozzie didn't want to give up  another pick back in the later part of the draft now look how that turn out the kid is balling man,shareece Wright is getting torch in the back end every game!!!!!

[Cillmatic]

44 minutes ago, MarcusAirborne2 said:

we could of had Jalen Ramesy this year but Ozzie didn't want to give up  another pick back in the later part of the draft

Do you would rather have Hurst starting? I don't know if you know this but LT's don't grow on trees. We got a pretty promising LT in Stanley, that's WAY more important than a CB. I prefer my ACL torn QB's to be well protected.

[ravensnick]

I really like Alabama's Marlon Humphrey. Kid's molded in the big physical, athletic stereotype that the NFL loves these days.  LSU's Tredavious White, Tennessee's Cameron Sutton, and Iowa's Desmond King are great mid/late first options. I'm personally very high on Sutton. I've been hearing scouts really like Quincy Wilson from Florida, even better than Tabor. Tabor IMO seems like walking PI penalties in the pros.

Edited October 3, 2016 by ravensnick

[Jacquouille]

I have a crush on Sidney Jones. He's a baller. 

[ravensnick]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I have a crush on Sidney Jones. He's a baller. 

Forgot about Sidney. He was amazing versus Stanford. 

[Jacquouille]

29 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

Forgot about Sidney. He was amazing versus Stanford. 

I think he's this year's William Jackson. Nobody's gonna talk about him until April, and he's going to end up being a first rounder.

[jboy19]

I watched the Chidobe Awuzie tape from the CU-CSU game, and I really like him now. Probably not going to be a perimeter corner at the next level, but man that read-react skill set from the slot makes me want him on the Ravens- even if he's playing slot corner or safety. 

[BmoreBird22]

On 10/3/2016 at 0:45 AM, ravensnick said:

I really like Alabama's Marlon Humphrey. Kid's molded in the big physical, athletic stereotype that the NFL loves these days.  LSU's Tredavious White, Tennessee's Cameron Sutton, and Iowa's Desmond King are great mid/late first options. I'm personally very high on Sutton. I've been hearing scouts really like Quincy Wilson from Florida, even better than Tabor. Tabor IMO seems like walking PI penalties in the pros.

Matt Miller has him as a top 5 talent in the draft right now.

Everything I've heard on him has been outstanding.

[Jacquouille]

I know I've said I want a tall corner, but I really like Jourdan Lewis. He mirrors his guy perfectly, has crazy ball skills and football IQ. 

Do you guys think he could play outside?

[ravensnick]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

I know I've said I want a tall corner, but I really like Jourdan Lewis. He mirrors his guy perfectly, has crazy ball skills and football IQ. 

Do you guys think he could play outside?

Definitely. He has the scrap, technique, and athleticism to thrive on the outside. He is listed at 5'10", which is just below average (5'11") for a CB, so its not like he is a midget or anything. 

[RaineV1]

4 hours ago, ravensnick said:

Definitely. He has the scrap, technique, and athleticism to thrive on the outside. He is listed at 5'10", which is just below average (5'11") for a CB, so its not like he is a midget or anything. 

Yep. In fact some pretty good corners in the league are listed at 5'10". Revis is only an inch taller than that.

[allblackraven]

Jordan Thomas looked very impressive today vs Texas. The one deep ball he let go for a TD was an offensive push off. He's tracking the ball well, has size and speed and can tackle. Doesn't have the cleanest off the field record though.

[JoeyFlex5]

im going with tre'davious white as my top lockdown corner, desmond king as my top safety, jabrill peppers as the top mover db, and adoree jackson as the highest ceiling guy but has a ton of work to do and could probably be a premiere returner. 

weary of alabama db's so im not getting on the humphrey train, they really do benefit from the front seven more than any db's ive ever seen at any level. 

to the op, we made the right pick. when stanley gets back on the field the difference will be extremely noticeable, he has first-team potential at LT. picks like that and then a tavon young in the 4th is what makes this team constantly a threat despite the weaknesses. 

 

[Cillmatic]

On October 8, 2016 at 8:21 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

im going with tre'davious white as my top lockdown corner, desmond king as my top safety, jabrill peppers as the top mover db, and adoree jackson as the highest ceiling guy but has a ton of work to do and could probably be a premiere returner. 

weary of alabama db's so im not getting on the humphrey train, they really do benefit from the front seven more than any db's ive ever seen at any level. 

to the op, we made the right pick. when stanley gets back on the field the difference will be extremely noticeable, he has first-team potential at LT. picks like that and then a tavon young in the 4th is what makes this team constantly a threat despite the weaknesses. 

 

Why don't you like King at Corner?

[BmoreBird22]

On 10/8/2016 at 8:21 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

im going with tre'davious white as my top lockdown corner, desmond king as my top safety, jabrill peppers as the top mover db, and adoree jackson as the highest ceiling guy but has a ton of work to do and could probably be a premiere returner. 

weary of alabama db's so im not getting on the humphrey train, they really do benefit from the front seven more than any db's ive ever seen at any level. 

to the op, we made the right pick. when stanley gets back on the field the difference will be extremely noticeable, he has first-team potential at LT. picks like that and then a tavon young in the 4th is what makes this team constantly a threat despite the weaknesses. 

 

Give me Quincy Wilson as the top shutdown corner.

[jboy19]

Im not sure what I'd do with Jabrill Peppers. From what I've watched, I've been unimpressed with him in coverage. Might just be me though. 

[Jacquouille]

34 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Im not sure what I'd do with Jabrill Peppers. From what I've watched, I've been unimpressed with him in coverage. Might just be me though. 

We won't have him anyway. But you play hilm as a hybrid slot, outside and moneybacker. He's a taller Badger if you want.

[jboy19]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

We won't have him anyway. But you play hilm as a hybrid slot, outside and moneybacker. He's a taller Badger if you want.

I think that's fair, but I haven't seen the same instincts/recovery ability of Mathieu. He gets a bit of a pass bc of his size, but I keep seeing people labeling him as a top 5 pick and from what Ive seen of him (Michigan State '15 and Penn State '15) he's struggled when he's been tested in coverage. 

[ravefan52]

Matt Miller says he has 15 CB's in his top 100. Obviously some will return to school, but this should be a stacked corner class which is pretty rare. This is the year the Ravens finally need to get one early.

[DomMcRaven]

12 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

Matt Miller says he has 15 CB's in his top 100. Obviously some will return to school, but this should be a stacked corner class which is pretty rare. This is the year the Ravens finally need to get one early.

I'll believe it when I see it. 

[JoeyFlex5]

On 10/9/2016 at 10:00 PM, Cillmatic said:

Why don't you like King at Corner?

never said that. i think king is one of the best DB's in the draft and the most natural ballhawk, i think he can play any position in the secondary at a starting level, but i think his best fit is at FS because i think his ability to anticipate the throw and then break on it with authority and actually secure the turnover is his best asset without question, i think he will be able to manipulate the game more by letting him play the whole field rather than one player or one zone. basically i like his ability as a cb, but i like his potential as a FS slightly more.

[JoeyFlex5]

On 10/10/2016 at 0:00 PM, jboy19 said:

I think that's fair, but I haven't seen the same instincts/recovery ability of Mathieu. He gets a bit of a pass bc of his size, but I keep seeing people labeling him as a top 5 pick and from what Ive seen of him (Michigan State '15 and Penn State '15) he's struggled when he's been tested in coverage. 

top 5 is insane, i think it has alot to do with him just making electric plays, but hes doint it the college level so it needs some context, something analysts contstantly fail to do. 

ill give him a first round grade, without creating a board yet id project top 30 and thats being very conservative. i see a bit more ramsey than mathieu, because mathieu was excellent in coverage at LSU and ramsey had a fair bit of struggles and peppers has similar struggles for the same reasons. with the right system and the right positioning peppers could be really good which was the same exact thing i said about ramsey. he could be dangerous in a lebeau or capers defense.

[jboy19]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

top 5 is insane, i think it has alot to do with him just making electric plays, but hes doint it the college level so it needs some context, something analysts contstantly fail to do. 

ill give him a first round grade, without creating a board yet id project top 30 and thats being very conservative. i see a bit more ramsey than mathieu, because mathieu was excellent in coverage at LSU and ramsey had a fair bit of struggles and peppers has similar struggles for the same reasons. with the right system and the right positioning peppers could be really good which was the same exact thing i said about ramsey. he could be dangerous in a lebeau or capers defense.

Ive watched 4 of his games now (Michigan State '15, Penn State '15, Minnesota '15, Rutgers '16) and at this point I don't see him being an effective NFL cornerback. He has definitely struggled in coverage and isn't very fluid or instinctive in coverage. I thought Ramsey had some struggles in coverage, but I think that Peppers struggles are worse/harder to correct. So really I think his role is more Deone Bucannon (linebacker) than Tyrann Mathieu (slot corner/safety). Which isn't a bad thing because I think Peppers can be a good moneybacker (if that's what it's being called now), but I don't think those prospects are as valuable of prospects as top CB talents. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, jboy19 said:

Ive watched 4 of his games now (Michigan State '15, Penn State '15, Minnesota '15, Rutgers '16) and at this point I don't see him being an effective NFL cornerback. He has definitely struggled in coverage and isn't very fluid or instinctive in coverage. I thought Ramsey had some struggles in coverage, but I think that Peppers struggles are worse/harder to correct. So really I think his role is more Deone Bucannon (linebacker) than Tyrann Mathieu (slot corner/safety). Which isn't a bad thing because I think Peppers can be a good moneybacker (if that's what it's being called now), but I don't think those prospects are as valuable of prospects as top CB talents. 

ill agree with all of this. i never thought for one second that peppers was a cb and i also think ramsey is being underused as a cb because he can really impact the game a lot more if they use him differently.

[jboy19]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ill agree with all of this. i never thought for one second that peppers was a cb and i also think ramsey is being underused as a cb because he can really impact the game a lot more if they use him differently.

Truth. Maybe Colvin coming back allows them to truly unleash Ramsey. 

[PurpleCity5]

I really like Wilson too. He seems like a good zone cover CB. Similar to King but I think he can function in cover 1 situations, not that we play much cover 1 anyways. I like him better than Taylor honestly. He would be a good pick here. If we go Wilson in the 1st than I would absolutely expect a pass rusher in the 2nd followed by a center.  

[Darhk_Raven]

I know a few people have been talking about Quincy Wilson.. I saw someone on a website has dropped him out of their top 10 CB list to #11 and they said he's a 2nd or 3rd pick with potential to be a 1st. He was originally higher. 

[ravensnation5220]

On 10/8/2016 at 8:21 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

im going with tre'davious white as my top lockdown corner, desmond king as my top safety, jabrill peppers as the top mover db, and adoree jackson as the highest ceiling guy but has a ton of work to do and could probably be a premiere returner. 

weary of alabama db's so im not getting on the humphrey train, they really do benefit from the front seven more than any db's ive ever seen at any level. 

to the op, we made the right pick. when stanley gets back on the field the difference will be extremely noticeable, he has first-team potential at LT. picks like that and then a tavon young in the 4th is what makes this team constantly a threat despite the weaknesses. 

 

Hmmmm idk about white. He mirrors well but hes not as physical as id like him to be. Idk if he just doesnt like it or what but when your 180 and wanna play in the nfl you gotta show me some toughness. To me he doesnt. Not like jourdan lewis does. I agree with humphrey though its very shady with him. Although he did have a great game vs clemson which is a good sign. 

[BmoreBird22]

On 10/13/2016 at 1:12 AM, PurpleCity5 said:

I really like Wilson too. He seems like a good zone cover CB. Similar to King but I think he can function in cover 1 situations, not that we play much cover 1 anyways. I like him better than Taylor honestly. He would be a good pick here. If we go Wilson in the 1st than I would absolutely expect a pass rusher in the 2nd followed by a center.  

A little late, but absolutely no chance that the Ravens have a shot at Wilson. He should be a top 5 pick, pending needs of the top 5. Easily top 10.

Matt Miller said he scouted the first four games this season and saw four targets thrown to Wilson... one interception, two PDs, and no completions.

[BmoreBird22]

56 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Marlon Humphrey's the best CB of this class, no debate. He's like Jimmy Smith on steroids.

He might not even be a top 5 CB in this class. It's loaded with corners.