The Good, Bad and UGLY week 4 against the Raiders

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Coin flip>>>>>>>>Ravens offense

Not according to the yardage and production we put up today.

If you're playing for a coin flip, just take the loss. Its over.

[Sami84]

2 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Seriously, what is it with our offense?  Flacco with weapons is like a fruit basket without fruit, just a decorative piece.  This offense is lousy and has been for years. 

 

i just dont think he can make the most out of anyone..

 

boy what i;d give though for a 2006 steve smith 

[sharkh20]

Offenses that throw 50+ times a game tend to be terrible offenses.  There is no rhythm whatsoever in the Trestman offense.  It looks exactly the same as last year.  Pees defense looked very similar to last years at the end of the game.  Plus we suddenly go into cover 2 while rushing 3 when they are in the red zone.  It was the bend and break defense again.  

We must have the record for backwards plays over the last 20 games.  This offense seems to go backwards at least once out of every three downs.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Cillmatic said:

It's crazy that once again the Raiders serve as the wake up game, it's now clear what kind of team we are.

living on the edge..

 

see last year and 2013

 

IM SICK OF IT

[reed20]

3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

btw this is a wakeup call to breshad perriman..

 

you're looking like a bust. Start making plays 

The first time I've agreed with you

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

How is Pees to blame for Wright and Lewis sucking?

That wasn't on Lewis. Lewis was responsible for the deep thirds middle of the field. That was well out of his zone.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Sami84 said:

i just dont think he can make the most out of anyone..

 

boy what i;d give though for a 2006 steve smith 

Based on what I've seen, pretty much a lock he made the most out of Torrey Smith...

Torrey owes like 80% of the contract he has right now to Flacco.

[ratedr]

Quote

Brian Bower ‏@sportguyRSR

Harbaugh says looking back he does wish he would have declined penalty.

OH wow you don't say?

I also forgot to specifically mention Kamar Aiken in the bad. He's just terrible this year, a wasted roster spot.

[Tru11]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm just gonna throw this out there for everyone to see.

That final play call that led to a touchdown was a Cover 3 call. Corners generally play off about 6-8 yards and then get back to a depth of about 20-25 yards (or exactly where the end zone was). There was literally no reason for Wright, a relatively fast player, to get beat over the top because his job was literally to get back there.

Pees actually had an excellent play call to defend that pass, but Wright was abysmal.

yup he bit on the fake and thus got beat.

pretty sad a lot of fans cant even recognise what cover 3 is lol.

also before people wanna cry prevent.
cover 3 is 1 of the most used coverages in the league and its the foundation of the hawks defense and it helped the panthers reach the SB last season...

[jboy19]

8 minutes ago, Bandwagon said:

your joking right

Not really. I've seen enough Hurst games to know what happens when he gets to play. I didn't expect the game to be close, especially after the 4th quarter started, but the team buckled down and got better. They came up short, but they made it close- which deserves some credit. The Raiders aren't terrible. That team has the amount of ridiculously talented players that comes with being pathetic for a couple years. 

[CalvinSmoke]

Gonna keep my emotions in check... I'll start with what I think the REAL issues where, it might be time to sit Chris Moore, these big drops are bad, and he hasn't redeemed himself at all... Our offense is too volatile to have on the job training right now. Our pass protection was absolute trash, complete trash. We made the Raiders look like world beaters.

 

* Accepting the penalty wasn't really bad, if Suggs doesn't jump offsides on 4th down (a qb sneak that was stopped dead in it's tracks) Then it would have looked brilliant. Harbs believed in his defense and I can't blame him, I was sipping the purple Kool-Aid too. The first half penalties where terrible, special teams still needs to tighten up.

*Good to see the running game come back to life, but need to run it on second down more consistently. That will keep the defense off balance and the ball out of Flacco's hands, he doesn't need to throw the ball all day. Or else he'll throw 20 + picks, especially when there is no pass protection. 

[hen826957]

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

We did run on first down. 

We did; l don't remember. If they did they must did'nt gain any yardage if they ran the ball 1st down. They should've run it the second time then.

[ludy51]

3 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

It's crazy that once again the Raiders serve as the wake up game, it's now clear what kind of team we are.

A 3-1 team? I'll take it

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Of course. 

Its not just about size. 

Crabtree makes their team go. He's the red zone threat. You don't put your weakest coverage guy who is a physical and skill set mismatch on the guy who can beat you. 

But again, it really didn't matter who it was because Wright was simply not executing whatsoever. It really did not matter who was out there because with the way he was playing, they were gonna find an open target eventually.

[Sir Spooky]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Based on what I've seen, pretty much a lock he made the most out of Torrey Smith...

Torrey owes like 80% of the contract he has right now to Flacco.

Deep ball game. Something we have been lacking. With Wallace, Perriman, Moore, you would think we would take more shots. Maybe the O-line prevents us from trying but idk. 

[Sami84]

one more thing..can flacco stop placing his throws at the feet of receivers dammnit

[Virginia 55]

Just now, Sami84 said:

i just dont think he can make the most out of anyone..

 

boy what i;d give though for a 2006 steve smith 

Couldn't agree more. He just looks scared to me.  Ice in his veins my behind.  That man is scared to death in the big moments.  You would think after the Super Bowl run that he would have more confidence and be more poised. But no. 

More weapons equals the same old production.

Middle of the league in passing and we haven't played one solid defense.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

It's crazy that once again the Raiders serve as the wake up game, it's now clear what kind of team we are.

I think we learned quite a bit.

We pretty much know this defense is legit. They basically had one bad drive and made a couple poor decisions, but other than that, they were very good against one of the better offenses in football.

The offense is what it is... inconsistent. We look like we can run the ball better, but our depth on the offensive line is poor once again and we need a healthy unit in order to succeed long term.

Plus, from what I'm seeing in the AFC, we could easily have just lost to a playoff team. 

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, jboy19 said:

Not really. I've seen enough Hurst games to know what happens when he gets to play. I didn't expect the game to be close, especially after the 4th quarter started, but the team buckled down and got better. They came up short, but they made it close- which deserves some credit. The Raiders aren't terrible. That team has the amount of ridiculously talented players that comes with being pathetic for a couple years. 

 

a couple?

[reed20]

This front seven needs to start finishing plays also. I know there were a lot of no call holds, though.

Edited October 2, 2016 by reed20

[loveravensfootball]

Just now, hen826957 said:

We did; l don't remember. If they did they must did'nt gain any yardage if they ran the ball 1st down. They should've run it the second time then.

We only got two on the play. Wasn't a great run but hindsight is always 20/20

[Maryland]

Good: defense actually did pretty well, considering Raiders have a top-line offense. Wright is still bad, and Lewis is obviously someone you never want to see at safety (as soon as he came in for Webb they scored a TD on him), but everyone else either did good or average. Correa seems to get washed-out of plays waaay too easily, which was the concern coming out of college. I think Orr might actually be outplaying Mosley; he is all over the field.

Bad:

OL- we knew it was going to be bad going in, but the penalties were the biggest drive-killers.

Aiken was very bad on special teams, missing a tackle while going for the big hit (which allowed for a punt return inside our 10). I'm blanking on the other ST mistake Aiken had, but he also had that OPI and the drop at the end there (a very difficult catch though)

Trestman has to run at least once there on the final set of downs, considering West was hauling butt late in the quarter.

Moore's drops may be what makes him fail in the pros. He has the physical talent to get separation and make some nice hand catches, but he drops too many balls--you can't depend on him. He had the same problem in college.

Harbaugh's decision to decline the penalty was pretty dumb, and not just in retrospect, but in the moment. You don't give a team like Oakland a second chance at getting a first down. Of course, they might have gotten off scott-free if not for the defense jumping off-sides, which is the one thing you can't do in that situation, and they should all know this, especially Suggs. 

Joe seemed to be shell-shocked a bit or something, since he wasn't stepping into his throws even when he has the ability to do so.

Wallace was dumb for his penalty--you can't give them good field position at that point in the game.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

yup he bit on the fake and thus got beat.

pretty sad a lot of fans cant even recognise what cover 3 is lol.

also before people wanna cry prevent.
cover 3 is 1 of the most used coverages in the league and its the foundation of the hawks defense and it helped the panthers reach the SB last season...

The Panthers last year were a Tampa 2, which is inherently a bend but don't break defense that fans on this board love to cry over. 

[darklight1216]

Last week I wrote that the Ravens didn't look like they were really good at anything except sometimes special teams. This week I will happily admit that they are good at run defense. Everything else is problematic.

 

The o-line causes the running game and passing game to stall. And no, getting a few good runs against one the leagues's worst run d's does not change anything.

I was already scared for Flacco, but now the receivers have had a case of the drops for three weeks running. It's not a winning combination.

 

The pass defense is largely composed of Webb, Smith, and Wright. Those guys are what they are so the secondary can only improve if the pass rush does.

 

Lastly the special teams aren't nearly as good as I had hoped they would be. Today this was largely due to Kamar Aiken, but Hester's fumbles might be a real concern.

 

The ugly: Harbaugh's decisions to go for two and accept the penalty.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Sir Spooky said:

Deep ball game. Something we have been lacking. With Wallace, Perriman, Moore, you would think we would take more shots. Maybe the O-line prevents us from trying but idk. 

Today, certainly. Was all about the Oline in our deep ball game today. We've been taking shots in the other games.

I like Wallace as a deep threat, but the other guys are still rookies and have quite a bit to learn as well. Not concerned about this part of the attack long-term, provided our offensive line plays better (or is just healthier).

Between Zuttah, Jensen and Hurst, it was pathetic today.

[CalvinSmoke]

Did Wright get beat on all of the TD's for Carr? I can think of two off the top of my head. Regardless of if they truly believe he's our second best corner, need to gameplan accordingly if he's going to be focused in the redzone and on 3rd downs. 

[ratedr]

I think people are giving too much of a pass to the defense...as soon as the Raiders crossed midfield you knew they were scoring. RZ defense was absolutely terrible.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

22 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

Aiken unclutch

 

Chris Moore unclutch

 

We couldve picked up atleast five yards on that first down drop he he on the last series of that last drive.

[RavensFan34950]

Everything on offense today was horrendous to watch. I am officially on the ( FIRE TRESMAN) train. How in the hell do we not help Hurst at all against Mack? West was good running the ball, why not let him run it more?

The decisions by Harbaugh today were very questionable. Judon not playing today at all? Why is Hurst even on the team, let alone starting against Mack of all people? Why doesn't he take initiative and ORDER Tresman to run the damn ball? And how much more of Wright can we take? He is our 1 weakness on defense right now and teams exploit him every week. Will Davis continues to be healthy scratches for no reason, but we let this bum play every week and get burned every week. 

 

Harbaugh needs to start feeling the heat today after his performance, and Tresman needs to go. Bench Wright and all will be ok

[Sami84]

the truth is this. Unless Perriman wakes up this team will lack that big play and 1 on 1 advantage. So far rookie torrey smith >>>>> perriman and its not even close. I said he was an awful pick because he plays slow, has low football IQ and terrible hands. So far i've been proven corrext