The Good, Bad and UGLY week 4 against the Raiders

[Rav'n Maniac]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah I'm much less concerned with the fade as that was a perfect throw.  I'm more concerned about the one that ended up being the winner as Wright's responsibility is to not let the guy behind him and he bit on such a simple move.

From what I saw on gamepass, we were in cover 4. True Wright was beaten on the double move but Lewis was right there and was beaten also just as Weddle was getting there.

Outside the 2 TDs, Wright didn't really play that bad. He was good on all the underneath stuff and gave up 1 completion on the intermediate, which was an awesome catch by Crabtree. 

Edited October 3, 2016 by Rav'n Maniac

[allblackraven]

33 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Wasn't a big ST player according to the snap counts.  Someone had to sit and he happened to be the one.

Yep, I get that and I get that Dumervil was back but it was crazy to expect Elvis would have any major impact in his first outing, with a practice or two behind him.

Do we really consider Correa's ST play more valuable then Judon's pass rush, especially vs the O line Raiders have?

[Edug27]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah I'm much less concerned with the fade as that was a perfect throw.  I'm more concerned about the one that ended up being the winner as Wright's responsibility is to not let the guy behind him and he bit on such a simple move.

I'm telling you man... it's a common theme with Wright. When offenses are looking for the big play, they are focusing on Wrights side of the field.

[Drew P]

44 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

I'm telling you man... it's a common theme with Wright. When offenses are looking for the big play, they are focusing on Wrights side of the field.

I've never seen him turn around to track the ball. He plays like Corey Ivy

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

From what I saw on gamepass, we were in cover 4. True Wright was beaten on the double move but Lewis was right there and was beaten also just as Weddle was getting there.

I don't think it was Quarters just because there wasnt a second deep safety aligned, but I also don't have the All-22. 

However, it's Wright's job to defend the deep route regardless if it was Cover 3 or 4. He shouldn't have bit on the double move because his job is to literally not get beat over the top. 

I can't put too much blame onto Lewis because Wright shouldn't have even been in that position. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

There's a little too much emphasis being put-on Wright's performance Sunday. Admittedly, he stuck-out like a sore thumb on big game changing plays, but there have been several admissions from other Ravens on the field that a few of those blown coverages were not his alone. In addition, on 2 of those Crabtree TDs Carr had 4.5 seconds to release the ball with minimal or no pressure whatsoever. That's an eternity in today's NFL. Carr wasn't even touched after releasing the ball. Nobody was close. Yes, several things went wrong for Shareece and it looks really bad, but several things went wrong with blown team assignments that led to it.

There are very few top 20 receivers in the league that can't get open with 4.5 seconds. 

I said before the game that Crabtree (their hot receiver) should have been Jimmy's assignment and Cooper (who still doesn't have a single TD this season) should have been Wright's assignment with 'one-over-the top' in order to force the Raiders to make more adjustments, but...they had the luxury to go to their most productive receiver any time they needed something. We knew what was coming and still showed confusion. Growing pains, but a teachable moment only.

Wright might not see the field again, but I'm more concerned with the confusion and missed assignments that happened out there. If that's not addressed (it already is being addressed) it doesn't matter who replaces him.

 

[Rav'n Maniac]

41 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't think it was Quarters just because there wasnt a second deep safety aligned, but I also don't have the All-22. 

However, it's Wright's job to defend the deep route regardless if it was Cover 3 or 4. He shouldn't have bit on the double move because his job is to literally not get beat over the top. 

I can't put too much blame onto Lewis because Wright shouldn't have even been in that position. 

Yeah, Weddle was back there as well. He made it across just in time for the catch but was at the front of the end zone. You are right. It doesn't change the fact Wright was beat when he may not have been if he had made it to his deep zone.

[MTRavensFan]

The lack of pressure on Carr, given his makeshift OLine, was really distressing.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Just now, MTRavensFan said:

The lack of pressure on Carr, given his makeshift OLine, was really distressing.

True considering at times we rushed 5 and sometimes 6. 

[Dewy101]

7 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Thinking about it now, with the way the offensive line wasn't holding up and ten yards is apparently too much to ask of this offense, I would've sent Justin out for the 68 (?) yarder. Announcer kept saying how he nailed one from 65 with a lot of room to spare before the game. 

True but that's a tall task for a kicker in an in game situation.  If Chris Moore would've caught the ball we would've been talking about a 59 yarder maybe even shorter. 

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Yeah, Weddle was back there as well. He made it across just in time for the catch but was at the front of the end zone. You are right. It doesn't change the fact Wright was beat when he may not have been if he had made it to his deep zone.

Okay, now I see. I thought that was Jimmy when I initially watched it because the broadcast kinda blurs the numbers. 

I think the big issue for me is that Wright made these catches so easy. If he put up a fight and the catch was made, fine, at least he put up a fight. However, letting his man get so open in the end zone is just unexcusable.

[ravensnj]

Punt, Punt, Punt......so tired of our inconsistent and  non rhythmed offense. Maybe over the last year and a half, the Ravens are trying to make games more exciting for the fans, by waiting for the fourth quarter too come alive? Puzzled.

[OUravensfan]

Just read their forums. [profanity removed]. 

[redlobster]

2 hours ago, MTRavensFan said:

The lack of pressure on Carr, given his makeshift OLine, was really distressing.

Make shift line, didn't they have all starters beside RT?

[DomMcRaven]

37 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Just read their forums. [profanity removed]. 

What they say?

[Ravens4Real]

20 minutes ago, redlobster said:

Make shift line, didn't they have all starters beside RT?

They were down to their 3rd or 4th string RT. I'm not sure if they shuffled their lineman around at all which should have caused more confusion.

Either way you chalk it up, it's alarming that we couldn't get more pressure than we did. 

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Okay, now I see. I thought that was Jimmy when I initially watched it because the broadcast kinda blurs the numbers. 

I think the big issue for me is that Wright made these catches so easy. If he put up a fight and the catch was made, fine, at least he put up a fight. However, letting his man get so open in the end zone is just unexcusable.

Wright is a liability to me.  He's been getting pissed on for weeks now after his big game in week 1.

[Ravens4Real]

1 minute ago, Militant X 1 said:

Wright is a liability to me.  He's been getting pissed on for weeks now after his big game in week 1.

I expressed my desire to get rid of him last year. He seems to be the type of player that will come in and play lights out one game. So the coaches are forced/coerced to keep him in the lineup. The next 3-4 games will be truly horrible, then he will throw in a shutdown game and start the process over again.

[BmoreBird22]

24 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

Wright is a liability to me.  He's been getting pissed on for weeks now after his big game in week 1.

I think I said this earlier, but I don't worry too much until the Ravens hit the red zone. He just looks lost when defending the end zone.

[BmoreRavens732]

Anybody notice how happy and excited jack Del Rio was? He acted like he won the Superbowl. I know he was formerly apart of our 2000 Superbowl team and he's also beat us before so I dont get why he was excited. He's only 3-1 the same as us and its a long season. I just dont understand all the smiles. Idk maybe I'm ranting. I just dont like that guy though lol

[Edgar]

5 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Yep, I get that and I get that Dumervil was back but it was crazy to expect Elvis would have any major impact in his first outing, with a practice or two behind him.

Do we really consider Correa's ST play more valuable then Judon's pass rush, especially vs the O line Raiders have?

Not sure I get that either.

[Filmstudy]

3 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

They were down to their 3rd or 4th string RT. I'm not sure if they shuffled their lineman around at all which should have caused more confusion.

Either way you chalk it up, it's alarming that we couldn't get more pressure than we did. 

Alexander had a horrible game with 3 holding penalties plus a FS at RT.  

[Filmstudy]

6 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

True considering at times we rushed 5 and sometimes 6. 

Here are pressure stats by number of pass rushers for the Ravens:  

ATS= Ample Time and Space.  On defense, you want "Not ATS".

Expected yards are based on Flacco's averages with and without ATS for 2010-2015.  For Joe, It's been worth about 4 yards more to be granted ATS (8.2 YPP) vs. not-ATS (4.1 YPP) over that period.

 

Edited October 4, 2016 by Filmstudy

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

Here are pressure stats by number of pass rushers for the Ravens:  

ATS= Ample Time and Space.  On defense, you want "Not ATS".

Expected yards are based on Flacco's averages with and without ATS for 2010-2015.

 

I find these numbers interesting, yet confusing. We were robbing Carr of time the most when we rush 5 but he made more yards than expected in those situations. Rush 4, don't put much pressure, he under-delivers. Better pass coverage because there's extra guy there?

[PurpleCity5]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think I said this earlier, but I don't worry too much until the Ravens hit the red zone. He just looks lost when defending the end zone.

I feel the same way, he's a total liability in the red-zone or in scoring plays.

[Filmstudy]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

I find these numbers interesting, yet confusing. We were robbing Carr of time the most when we rush 5 but he made more yards than expected in those situations. Rush 4, don't put much pressure, he under-delivers. Better pass coverage because there's extra guy there?

It's too few trials (7 with 5, for example) for you to get the consistent answer you want.

The chart is intended to show a few things:

--How often the Ravens rushed 3, 4, 5, 6

--How I look at ATS

--How little pressure they had in total.  26 of 35 is close to the highest pct Flacco has had from 2010-16.  Flacco has had 51% of all drop backs with ATS since 2010.

--The "failure" for Carr to deliver on expected yards for his opportunity set is as hollow as Pees claiming the Ravens defense was great in the 2nd half of 2015 based on yards alone.  I explain that in the article.

 

Edited October 4, 2016 by Filmstudy

[rmw10]

6 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

Here are pressure stats by number of pass rushers for the Ravens:  

ATS= Ample Time and Space.  On defense, you want "Not ATS".

Expected yards are based on Flacco's averages with and without ATS for 2010-2015.  For Joe, It's been worth about 4 yards more to be granted ATS (8.2 YPP) vs. not-ATS (4.1 YPP) over that period.

 

Curious to get your take on Suggs so far this year.  Despite the sack numbers, he looks awfully slow out there.  You can still see the football smarts, but more often that not, he doesn't have the speed to make the play.  Do you think it's still the recovery from the Achilles or is he on a serious downward spiral?  I've been saying every week that there are good moments, but there hasn't been any improvement so far in 4 weeks.

[January J]

11 hours ago, BmoreRavens732 said:

Anybody notice how happy and excited jack Del Rio was? He acted like he won the Superbowl. I know he was formerly apart of our 2000 Superbowl team and he's also beat us before so I dont get why he was excited. He's only 3-1 the same as us and its a long season. I just dont understand all the smiles. Idk maybe I'm ranting. I just dont like that guy though lol

Because he knew he just got a win by the skin of his teeth on the eastcoast against a team who will also be in the wildcard hunt. He was just counting his lucky stars we didn't get 10 more freaking yards  and let Tucker turn that smile upside down.

[jazz1988]

18 hours ago, Edug27 said:

I'm telling you man... it's a common theme with Wright. When offenses are looking for the big play, they are focusing on Wrights side of the field.

Honestly since Jimmy Smith is playing so well I think every quarterback would look to Wright to see if they can make a big play against him.

[TurkishRaven]

After watching the Vikings game, can't we double Shererce side of the field? I think that's what they did to OBJ. Whenever he was targeted there were 2 defenders, one in front one behind. 

I am still learning the game so please ignore if this is a dumb question.