The Good, Bad and UGLY week 4 against the Raiders

[VermontRaven]

12 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I agree with the redskins,jets,browns,dolphins.... 

the rest...we look overmatched.. i see maybe 2 more wins at best..so that would be 9 wins

So even you, who are obviously very pessimistic, suggest we might be good enough for 9 wins?....heck....that means steal 1 or 2 more games somewhere and we're a playoff team....Scratch and claw to find a way to get into the tournament, then January Joe shows up and we're looking good!

[OUravensfan]

I hate losing. Let's hope this serves as a blessing in disguise. If they need a loss to play  better in the long run then so be it 

[gtalk12]

Looks like our rookie LT is as good as advertised. There where way to many penalties, especially since Mack was lined up on the LT. Flacco did miss an easy one, but Moore dropped a ball with no one around him. Perriman is dropping some passes but he makes the tough grabs here and there.

 

Overall, it was nice to see the run game come alive, I only wished we stayed with it and did some play action.

[Militant X 1]

25 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

I knew you were going too and it seems like the offense always lets you down in person. I was shocked they scored 27 given how bad the blocking was. Close losses suck

I don't have any confidence in this offense whatsoever OU.  We've seen them for 4 weeks now with the same type of beginning in each game.  They've faced 4 different opponents now (i.e. Bills, Browns, Jaguars & Raiders) but opened up each game with the same type of start...slow, sluggish, ineffective, pure execution, drops, penalties and multiple 3 & outs etc, you name it!  So to me, at some point, there must be the realization that the main common denominator in all 4 of those game is this Ravens offense. They are the problem!  And they have to find some way to fix this garbage.  I no longer "expect" a Ravens TD from them but unfortunately, I'm "surprised" whenever or if they can score one.  Sad, I know!  But that's where I'm at with this unit man! 

 

[kennethyamini1989]

Averaging 2 turnovers a game won't help anyone. When are they going to address that issue? When is the offense of the Baltimore Ravens going to show some progression? It's been 7+ years and still the same mediocre offense. A lot of money has been spent on getting "weapons", so why are there no results? 

[GrimCoconut]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I just watched Julio Jones' huge day. 

I know we all like to say that giving up that much for Julio put the Falcons back, but after seeing him play, that's just not true. He's the type of receiver that can absolutely take over a game and just make or break an offense. The inability of the Falcons to draft late/develop talent/find quality free agents is what's holding them back as opposed to what they gave up.

The reason I bring this up is because the draft will have a receiver that looks like he has the potential to take over. In a pretty good class last year, Mike Williams would have been a surefire top 10 pick. Fast forward a year and he's looking more like a top 20 pick (insane pass rush depth at the top). Kinda wish the Ravens would make a move for that type of guy who can just take over for the offense.

I agree but I don't think it needs to be a WR but if we believe there's a legit player that could be arguably the best at their position like Miller, Jones, Green then I think we should go get that player at almost any cost. I'm not talking giving up an RG3 bounty but to get that guy who destroys games whether OLB or WR 

[Edug27]

46 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I also wouldnt be opposed to

 

1- Correa being inactive

2-same with aiken

3. Forsett released

4.Trying out Price or Davis instead of Wright

Agree with Aiken. If he's not catching passes, or doing his job on special teams, he has no business being out there. And whats with the screen passes to Aiken? He has no speed and can't break tackles. Also, once Dixon is back, Forsett is a wrap. Run West and Dixon. I want both of them with a lot of carries.

And Wright should not be a starter next week. If he is, then we'll see the same results... balls over his head for 6 points. Let's throw the rookie Young out there. He'll make rookie mistakes, but he also seems to have more playmaking ability than Wright does.  

[Tank 92]

Just now, kennethyamini1989 said:

. A lot of money has been spent on getting "weapons", so why are there no results? 

lol.....What?  Where did we spend a lot of money on "weapons" ? Please enlighten me.

[BmoreBird22]

48 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Not surprised. PFF is a joke

It wasn't a horrible game outside of those two touchdowns. Unfortunately, he's an absolute liability in the red zone.

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I agree but I don't think it needs to be a WR but if we believe there's a legit player that could be arguably the best at their position like Miller, Jones, Green then I think we should go get that player at almost any cost. I'm not talking giving up an RG3 bounty but to get that guy who destroys games whether OLB or WR 

It's just at the point that they need that game breaking talent, whether it's Garrett, Williams, Peppers, or any single player like that. 

Would you give up two first round picks for JJ Watt? In a heartbeat. For Miller? Absolutely. For Julio? Hell yes.

This is a strong class, so it'll take a lot to move up, but if the right player is there, go and get him. Get that game changer.

[January J]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Probably the biggest reason I wanted to see Tucker out there in all honesty, but I don't think either decision was wrong in that case.  Low percentage play regardless of whether or not you choose the kick or going for it.

Yeah 5 more yards and I would have trotted him out there. That's why the Moore drop Is so damn frustrating. If he gets even 8 yards we can run the ball with west on third down...possibly pick up the first down and get even closer or give tucker the shot from about 59-60. Which I would've fully trusted him to make. Hurts even worse with it being the raiders- who will definitely be in the wildcard hunt with us. Would've much rather lost to the skins next week...

Anyway what's done is done.. Few things to look forward to:

- Dixon bein activated. Him and west could be a heck of a one two punch.

- doom knocking some rust off.

- shareece needs to benched and Will Davis needs to be activated.

- Stanley returning

- Waller back from suspension taking the place of maxx. Could provide a spark with his size  and speed.

[GrimCoconut]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It's just at the point that they need that game breaking talent, whether it's Garrett, Williams, Peppers, or any single player like that. 

Would you give up two first round picks for JJ Watt? In a heartbeat. For Miller? Absolutely. For Julio? Hell yes.

This is a strong class, so it'll take a lot to move up, but if the right player is there, go and get him. Get that game changer.

I'm not sure. Trade value is so weird and dynamic and can sometimes be super heavy or super low depending. I've seen loaded draft cases where teams wanted high value and then times where they didn't. You'll always hear the argument that more picks equals more opportunity, and I usually subscribe to this but we need a game charger at pass rusher, for example. 

[PurpleCity5]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure. Trade value is so weird and dynamic and can sometimes be super heavy or super low depending. I've seen loaded draft cases where teams wanted high value and then times where they didn't. You'll always hear the argument that more picks equals more opportunity, and I usually subscribe to this but we need a game charger at pass rusher, for example. 

Unpopular opinion, but give me the elite WR over the elite OLB as of now. I think Joe still has some great football left in him and could actually have some of his best years ahead of him if we get him an elite option. Steve Smith is still as good as ever but I'm fairly certain this is his last year. If we could get ourselves a good center and a guard and add an elite option at WR, than I really don't see any excuses as to why our offense won't be up there.

[OUravensfan]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

The throw he made to Smith on the last drive is one few quarterbacks hit the way Joe can.

He has also pretty close to zero touch on deep ball.

See Kyle Boller for what that looks like. He always gives his WR a chance to make a play 

[BmoreBird22]

13 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure. Trade value is so weird and dynamic and can sometimes be super heavy or super low depending. I've seen loaded draft cases where teams wanted high value and then times where they didn't. You'll always hear the argument that more picks equals more opportunity, and I usually subscribe to this but we need a game charger at pass rusher, for example. 

I just think back to 2013 where the Dolphins moved up from 12 to 3 and only used a second rounder. The year prior, the Redskins mortgaged their future to go from 13 to 12 (two first rounders, two second rounders, right?). 

I think the price will be fairly high, but it could be worth it.

[Cawtious]

4 hours ago, flynismo said:

Ah yes, good call. After seeing that one hold on Mack, it looks like he has a mean rear naked choke to, probably an 88 if there were a ranking for that.

Go back and watch the game again.  Jensen wasn't flagged for the rear naked choke hold on Mack.  That would be Hurst. 

Even Harbaugh was pissed about the idiotic holding call Jensen drew........and not at Jensen.....at the official.  He was working the side judge mouthing "that was not a hold".  Jensen's hands were inside and on the front.  Marginal call, IMHO

Jensen had four bad plays, to be honest.  Fans see a hold, a false start, and getting beat twice and the player should be flogged at the 50 yrd line.

He spent a majority of the game looking over his shoulder watching Hurst to see if he was handling Mack.  He got over there on a number of occasions.  One time if he hadn't been there, Mack would have hit Joe low.

Overall a bad game for our O-line.  I really wished we would have put a TE on either side to help deal w Mack.  Both Wagner and Hurst just couldn't get him shut down.  We played to their strength.  We needed to run the ball more often.  Joe also held onto the ball a little too long at times.....that doesn't help the O-line keep you clean.

This musical chairs thing with O-line really demolishes the chemistry needed to be successful.  Injuries affected that this week.  Stanley and Lewis will be back this week against a "meh" Redskins team.  It would have been interesting to see how Stanley and Lewis would have faired yesterday.  Mack is a monster....

 

Edited October 3, 2016 by Cawtious
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[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

Overall a bad game for our O-line.  I really wished we would have put a TE on either side to help deal w Mack.  Both Wagner and Hurst just couldn't get him shut down.  We played to their strength.  We needed to run the ball more often.  Joe also held onto the ball a little too long at times.....that doesn't help the O-line keep you clean.

They chipped him quite often... and Maxx was actually helping out as a blocker for the most part.

[Edug27]

4 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

Overall a bad game for our O-line.  I really wished we would have put a TE on either side to help deal w Mack.  Both Wagner and Hurst just couldn't get him shut down.  We played to their strength.  We needed to run the ball more often.  Joe also held onto the ball a little too long at times.....that doesn't help the O-line keep you clean.

 

Yes!

[BmoreBird22]

Stat to know from the game.

Flacco was pressured on 17 (37%) of his drop backs. He completed seven passes.

When not pressured, Flacco was 25 of 35. 

It's as simple as keep your quarterback clean and he will deliver. Is it any surprise Flacco had a career year with marginal weapons in 2014? No because he was hardly touched. 

Outside of the mobile quarterbacks (Wilson, Taylor, Kaep, RGIII), any quarterback will struggle when pressured. 

[Filmstudy]

Most of the issues I have with this game were schematic and coaching, but my thoughts are in this article:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/10/03/filmstudy/ravens-derek-carr-no-pressure/

To give you some highlights:

1.  The Ravens OL selection was atrocious and they did not correct it in game.  I can't understand why Lewis was active and did not play.  The Ravens didn't run any unbalanced schemes or have other complexities that would have been difficult for him whether at guard or tackle.

2.  The pass rush turned in the worst performance in years.  26 of 35 drop backs had Ample Time and Space (ATS) and there isn't any coverage scheme which can mask that.

3.  There were 3 coaching oddities.  I agree with going for 2 (Q3, 2:46).  Like everyone else, I would not have accepted the UR penalty.  But inexcusably, the Ravens had a snap with only 9 defenders on the field.  I'll offer more details after I study the coaches video.  They have had 10 defenders a handful of times, but I searched my database, which extends back to the beginning of 1999, and there were no other snaps with 9 defenders.

4.  The Ravens played their first dime and quarter snaps of the season.  The results were good (offensive hold, incomplete), but they had just 1 snap of each.

5.  Both of the TD passes that beat Shareece Wright were perfectly thrown.  There is no defending that fade.  The game-winning TD saw Wright beaten on a double move, but Kendrick Lewis (in for Webb) took a terrible angle to the play and could not help.  Wright got juked out of his shoes on the play, but the ball was dropped right in the bucket and probably would have been a TD anyway.  Time in the pocket was a big issue as was the lack of a 6th DB on the final drive.

 

[Sami84]

Just now, Edug27 said:

Yes!

i just want to get to the next game and see a comfortable victory. 

 

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Stat to know from the game.

Flacco was pressured on 17 (37%) of his drop backs. He completed seven passes.

When not pressured, Flacco was 25 of 35. 

It's as simple as keep your quarterback clean and he will deliver. Is it any surprise Flacco had a career year with marginal weapons in 2014? No because he was hardly touched. 

Outside of the mobile quarterbacks (Wilson, Taylor, Kaep, RGIII), any quarterback will struggle when pressured. 

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We need to pull of a trade for a C this midseason. When does the trade window open? I really think Nick Mangold would be the best option possible. COuld be a matt birk kind of player for us. He would really help the rookies on the left. He's also still a great player..

[Cawtious]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

They chipped him quite often... and Maxx was actually helping out as a blocker for the most part.

I'll need to go back and look at that again.  I was paying most of my attention on the left side during the game, and in the second perusal of the game.  Thanks 22

[OUravensfan]

2 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

Most of the issues I have with this game were schematic and coaching, but my thoughts are in this article:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/10/03/filmstudy/ravens-derek-carr-no-pressure/

To give you some highlights:

1.  The Ravens OL selection was atrocious and they did not correct it in game.  I can't understand why Lewis was active and did not play.  The Ravens didn't run any unbalanced schemes or have other complexities that would have been difficult for him whether at guard or tackle.

2.  The pass rush turned in the worst performance in years.  26 of 35 drop backs had Ample Time and Space (ATS) and there isn't any coverage scheme which can mask that.

3.  There were 3 coaching oddities.  I agree with going for 2 (Q3, 2:46).  Like everyone else, I would not have accepted the UR penalty.  But inexcusably, the Ravens had a snap with only 9 defenders on the field.  I'll offer more details after I study the coaches video.  They have had 10 defenders a handful of times, but I searched my database, which extends back to the beginning of 1999, and there were no other snaps with 9 defenders.

4.  The Ravens played their first dime and quarter snaps of the season.  The results were good (offensive hold, incomplete), but they had just 1 snap of each.

5.  Both of the TD passes that beat Shareece Wright were perfectly thrown.  There is no defending that fade.  The game-winning TD saw Wright beaten on a double move, but Kendrick Lewis (in for Webb) took a terrible angle to the play and could not help.  Wright got juked out of his shoes on the play, but the ball was dropped right in the bucket and probably would have been a TD anyway.  Time in the pocket was a big issue as was the lack of a 6th DB on the final drive.

 

I'm sorry, we had 9 players on the field?

 

WHAT!!!?????

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

i just want to get to the next game and see a comfortable victory. 

 

We need to pull of a trade for a C this midseason. When does the trade window open? I really think Nick Mangold would be the best option possible. COuld be a matt birk kind of player for us. He would really help the rookies on the left. He's also still a great player..

Trade window is still open, but it closes like November 12th.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Cawtious said:

I'll need to go back and look at that again.  I was paying most of my attention on the left side during the game, and in the second perusal of the game.  Thanks 22

The only reason I know this is because I saw Pitta often line up in-line in the second half and I just thought that was really odd since Pitta is definitely not an in-line blocker. Only explanation is he was chipping.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Trade window is still open, but it closes like November 12th.

if the jets lose the next 3 games (one against us too) i suggest a 4th for mangold..i know that seems steep but he's one of those C's thats good well into his mid 30's

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

if the jets lose the next 3 games (one against us too) i suggest a 4th for mangold..i know that seems steep but he's one of those C's thats good well into his mid 30's

I don't even suggest trade values because I'm sure I'll be wrong on value, but I definitely think if they could pull a trade for him, they should.

[Filmstudy]

7 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

I'm sorry, we had 9 players on the field?

 

WHAT!!!?????

Yup.  It's unreal, but it happened.  Maureen and I record the members of the secondary at the game, since it's easier to get there than from the broadcast when we get home.  To do that, we watch who is coming on and off.  If I'm recalling correctly, we saw 2 players start to come off, then turn and run off.  My guess is it was a case of a botched/changed package call they failed to get corrected in time and they also failed to call a timeout.

No one in the media, including the announcers picked up on this, so I want to detail the play before I tell you exactly when it occurred.  I promise an update to the defensive article when I do it.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Filmstudy

[BmoreBird22]

17 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

5.  Both of the TD passes that beat Shareece Wright were perfectly thrown.  There is no defending that fade.  The game-winning TD saw Wright beaten on a double move, but Kendrick Lewis (in for Webb) took a terrible angle to the play and could not help.  Wright got juked out of his shoes on the play, but the ball was dropped right in the bucket and probably would have been a TD anyway.  Time in the pocket was a big issue as was the lack of a 6th DB on the final drive.

For the first touchdown, I don't think Wright could have gotten a hand on the ball, but he seemed to be reading the route as a break to the inside and got stuck flat footed as Crabtree effortlessly moved past him. He also didn't even really seem to try to jam him or mess up the timing at all, possibly fearing he might hold on a break to the inside. I think with a little physicality there, he might have thrown off Crabtree's timing a little bit.

And correct me if I'm wrong (I only had the broadcast, so I'm not entirely sure on this one without seeing the All-22), but that second touchdown appeared like it was a Cover 3. Both Jimmy and Wright were lined up off about six yards and bailed instantly back. Also, unless I'm missing Webb, I thought I saw Lewis as the only safety back there, covering the middle thirds. If it was indeed Cover 3 like I think, then Wright shouldn't be biting on a double move like that.

[Sami84]

carr throws a perfect fade..

 

flacco doesnt have his touch on such passes.