The Good, Bad and UGLY week 4 against the Raiders

[AsianRice]

1 minute ago, ratedr said:

Is Harbaugh on the hot seat? Serious question.

 As much as i was mad at his stupidity today...I don't think so..

 

if marvin Lewis not on hot seat for years of first round playoff loser, then not gonna happen on Harbaugh

[sflegend89]

Should've never came down to that last possession. Offense handed the defense the game on a silver platter and they choked, as Dean Pees 4th quarter defenses always seem to against any good team. 

Still disappointing not to get the FG for the win. Raiders defense has been a joke all year and of course we manage to make them into the heroes of the game. Flacco still not quite himself and the offense is still finding it's identity.

 

We're much better than last year but an upper mid-tier team at best right now. Not in the same class as DEN, NE, CIN, PIT, MIN, PHI. 

Edited October 2, 2016 by sflegend89

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

 

I do think Trestman is already on the hot seat . 

I doubt it. Harbaugh's actually fired only one coordinator while he's been here, and it took almost five full years for that to happen.

And if there was one game this season where he would be least likely to get fired, its this one. Over 400 yards of offense and 27 points is more than enough to win most games. He also ran the ball 26 times (a lot for him) and averaged 5.0 YPC, which is quite good.

 

[TheRavenouseD2008]

No trestman is on the hotseat..... god this game was aweful 

[808Blackbirds]

How many of those shotgun toss plays has trestman ran this year and none of them worked?

[AlwaysA_Raven]

Unbelievable calls from Harbaugh, why go for the 2-point conversion when our offense was not going well.. it would've been a tie if he just kicked it. and why accept that stupid penalty when you had the change to hold them to a field goal!!! I am not against being aggressive; but honestly there is no need to be that aggressive when you have a lot of time to come back and there is no real urgency... smh!!!!

P.S. Aiken should be benched as well a lot of drops and poor ST play.. cost us a lot today..

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

I'm still not convinced Lewis is actually the backup at LT, but maybe that's just me.

I don't think the coaching staff can reasonably believe that Hurst is a viable option. Although, they didn't give him a ton of help too often, so who knows...

[hen826957]

2 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

 

I do think Trestman is already on the hot seat . 

Hmm. I don't know. Maybe. But who is really good on the open market. Not that much out there. But maybe, if they do get rid of Trestman why not Jim Zorn a call. Jim Zorn and Joe has some good connection when he was here as a QB coach. 

[jazz1988]

15 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

the truth is this. Unless Perriman wakes up this team will lack that big play and 1 on 1 advantage. So far rookie torrey smith >>>>> perriman and its not even close. I said he was an awful pick because he plays slow, has low football IQ and terrible hands. So far i've been proven corrext

Mike Wallace is The Ravens big play threat so far and I doubt  teams opposing defenses  aren't respecting his speed as a deep threat..Breshad Perriman just like Kevin White missed his entire rookie season last year so they generally are rookies right now.

Growing pains should be expected and unlike Torrey Smith he's not the number 2 receiver and he has no run game to benefit from like when Torrey Smith had Ray Rice .

 

[rmw10]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't think the coaching staff can reasonably believe that Hurst is a viable option. Although, they didn't give him a ton of help too often, so who knows...

I only say that because Lewis got his run at LT in the first game of the preseason, and hasn't played there since, despite many opportunities in the other 3 games.

[rmw10]

My favorite play call of the day was the flea flicker, like that even had the slightest possibility of working considering how easily our OL was getting beat.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, rmw10 said:

My favorite play call of the day was the flea flicker, like that even had the slightest possibility of working considering how easily our OL was getting beat.

Agreed. As soon as I saw it I instantly thought sack or QB injury as the only two possible outcomes.

[AppStRavenfan]

Being the foolish optimist that I am - I saw promise today. I'm not all sunshine and rainbows but it wasn't a complete domination.

In the most general of terms, we did everything in our power to hand this game to them and we only managed to lose by 1. In a sense that's promising. We committed stupid penalties, our coaches made some of the dumbest mistakes I've ever seen watching football, offensive play calling - per usual - was terrible in the first half then we came out and it was great in the 3rd and most of the 4th, then the old Trestman showed back up on the final drive and called 4 back to back passing plays when we were running all over them. I was honestly fixing to come in here and defend Trestman after he bothered to make half time adjustments for the first time in his life until that final drive, now we're right back to square one with him really needing to go. I expected the Oline to be terrible, but they managed to show me up and be even worse when it came to pass blocking. My expectations for Hurst were low, situated about 3 cm off the ground, but I see now that I was being too optimistic there, hope Stanley is ready to go next week.

Our defense is fantastic at stopping the run, when we face the only run first team remaining on our schedule we should do very well. Pass rush is so inconsistent it makes you want to pull your hair out. Jimmy did great on Cooper, Crabtree was uncoverable for some reason. Defense played great most of the game but on that final drive they moved the ball at will.

Now we have to talk about the elephant in the room - Harbaugh throwing away a 4th down and give the Raiders' offense another chance just to back up a FG that would be taken by one of the best long distance kickers in NFL history. The single biggest mistake of the game and it's one someone as experienced as Harbaugh should never make. I don't have a problem with the decision to go for 2 at the end of the 3rd, it was a situational move, I'm sure if he could tell the future he wouldn't have made that call but as it stands that wasn't that big of a mistake. Also needs to be mentioned, Wallace's unsportsmanlike call, again, he been in the league long enough to know better, handed them great field position on their next drive, big mistake there.

Edited October 2, 2016 by AppStRavenfan

[Doomville]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

My favorite play call of the day was the flea flicker, like that even had the slightest possibility of working considering how easily our OL was getting beat.

that's funny because flacco missed a wide open sss on that play, and he had enough time to throw it even though he was getting pressured. Flacco has just plain stopped stepping into his throws and that is really screwing up his accuracy

[Raving_Heathen]

2 minutes ago, Perfekt said:

We are a luckier version of the filth and trash that we were last year.

Ouch. That's pretty harsh after only 4 games.

I feel like the defense is infinitely better this year, and I find it hard to believe that this offense won't get better as the season progresses. Lots of new cogs and key players coming back from injury. And Trestman hasn't even had a full year with Flacco yet.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I only say that because Lewis got his run at LT in the first game of the preseason, and hasn't played there since, despite many opportunities in the other 3 games.

I mean I personally thought Jensen was equally as bad, but I'm certainly not adverse to trying somebody else.

I'm usually the one giving the coaching staff all of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to personnel decisions, but Hurst is bad and there's no way they can deny it.

I suppose in theory somebody like Lewis or Wagner could be worse, but I'm personally willing to risk it at this point.

He's one of the worst players who keeps getting starting opportunities that I've seen the Ravens put out in a long time. 

I don't even care if Stanley plays mediocre for the rest of the year. The gap between him and Hurst is gigantic.

Edited October 2, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[ravensdfan]

Pees Specialy defense is still garbage. Can we now admit that dropping back a million yards and praying for a miracle doesn't work against decent teams?

Aiken showed why he's been absent.

O line.

[Tornado700]

Four things and we won that game.

1.) Kick the extra point. Never give away points in a close game.

2.) Let their kicker kick the field goal. There was plenty of time left.

3.) Teach Aiken to catch the ball with his two hands. Then bring the ball in. If he does that, we have the ball around the 30 yard line. We win.

4.) Never never never let a receiver get behind you inside the red zone.

Edited October 2, 2016 by Tornado700

[Sami84]

why is no one on perrimans case? He was supposed to make life easier for flacco and the vets..

 

He's looking like a big pile of nothing

[rmw10]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean I personally thought Jensen was equally as bad, but I'm certainly not adverse to trying somebody else.

I'm usually the one giving the coaching staff all of the benefit of the doubt when it comes to personnel decisions, but Hurst is bad and there's no way they can deny it.

I suppose in theory somebody like Lewis or Wagner could be worse, but I'm personally willing to risk it at this point.

He's one of the worst players who keeps getting starting opportunities that I've seen the Ravens put out in a long time.

Yep.  I don't understand it at all.  I just can't believe that out of all of the available players on the open market, Hurst is who we deemed to be the best option.  He's just awful.  There's no simple way to put it.  I hate to put a player down, but he's shown me no indication that he's an NFL quality player.  Yet, here he is...

[wayupnorth]

If I was Joe I would refuse to play behind a line of Hurst the worst, whiffing Wagner, hold 'em Zuttah and Jumpy Jensen.....another injury due to these incompetent fools could very well end his career.

[rmw10]

Just now, Sami84 said:

why is no one on perrimans case? He was supposed to make life easier for flacco and the vets..

 

He's looking like a big pile of nothing

We're 4 games into his career.

[Sir Spooky]

4 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

 

I do think Trestman is already on the hot seat . 

Unlikely but he should be. The lack of deep passing game and an unbalanced approach to the run/pass should make Harbaugh mad but idk. The lack of deep passing game could be blamed on the o-line. At the same time, in the Cleveland game, Joe had to tell him to try stuff downfield.

Likewise the lack of run game (prior to this game) could easily be the excuse for the unbalance in the run/pass play selection. Again at the same time, prior til the 2nd half, our run game wasn't showing signs of being ineffective yet we had passed 75% of the time. 

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, ravensdfan said:

Pees Specialy defense is still garbage. Can we now admit that dropping back a million yards and praying for a miracle doesn't work against decent teams?

Aiken showed why he's been absent.

O line.

Worked a few times, we just didn't execute. Had several INT opportunities (two specifically for Weddle) that we didn't come down with in deep, zone coverage.

Had no issue with most of his schemes... just some really poor execution by certain players, especially Wright.

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I doubt it. Harbaugh's actually fired only one coordinator while he's been here, and it took almost five full years for that to happen.

And if there was one game this season where he would be least likely to get fired, its this one. Over 400 yards of offense and 27 points is more than enough to win most games. He also ran the ball 26 times (a lot for him) and averaged 5.0 YPC, which is quite good.

It's all great and dandy that the Ravens ran it 26 times, but their first half was abysmal against a very weak defense. 

The Ravens ran it seven times to 30 passes in the first half, finished 2-9 on third down (think the Ravens were 3-8 in the second half, so not much improvement), and had a grand total of 6 points. That's pretty unacceptable against a defense of that caliber, which is potentially one of the worst the NFL has seen recently.

Not to mention rarely giving Hurst help off the edge in the form of a tight end or back pass blocking.

It really wasn't a good game for Trestman.

[AppStRavenfan]

Just now, Sami84 said:

why is no one on perrimans case? He was supposed to make life easier for flacco and the vets..

 

He's looking like a big pile of nothing

because you just have an unnatural vendetta against him for who knows what reason, you pounce on every opportunity to criticize him even when he doesn't even get a chance at the end of the game

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, Doomville said:

that's funny because flacco missed a wide open sss on that play, and he had enough time to throw it even though he was getting pressured. Flacco has just plain stopped stepping into his throws and that is really screwing up his accuracy

If he actually stepped into that throw, he'd probably still be laying on the ground at this very moment.

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I only say that because Lewis got his run at LT in the first game of the preseason, and hasn't played there since, despite many opportunities in the other 3 games.

And I completely understand that, but that also could have had to do with wanting Lewis to get as many LG reps as possible.

[Dfence4champs2052]

ALWAYS take the points until you can't afford to. So dumb to go for 2 on that first try. And Joe had Juice open on his right in the flat, but never looked. BAD call accepting the penalty on 4th down. Not too many pro football coaches doing that one. 

[Deflated Football]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

We're 4 games into his career.

And he's still not Jerry Rice?! Ridiculous!