Next Up: Baltimore Ravens vs Washington, M&T Bank stadium 10/09/2016

[Militant X 1]

2 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

At some point we just have to be resigned to the fact that this teams offense is just average, with a couple drives sprinkled in of being above average. 

Can't go the whole season saying a team comes out slow when they have done it all season. At some point that is just how good/bad they are.

I stated it in the offseason. Every year people sit around here and say how amazing our offense will be top 5/top 10. Every year our offense looks completely average compared to the other big teams. Whether it's the players/coaches or coaching philosophy, I don't know. I don't get paid millions to sit around and figure it out. But I figured someone would have in the past 10-12 years this offense has had hype and fell face first.

It may be a little of all the above imo.  One thing Trestman said in his interview was that if a play was 3rd & 8, they may call a play with a 3 & 5 route..with the expectations of the receiver(s) beating the defender/defense for the extra 3 yards after the catch.  That philosophy rarely seems to work with this offensive squad imo cause these boys don't really get good separation and sometimes Joe has over and under thrown them and has even thrown the ball at them low as well. 

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

That shouldn't be the case. We've had significantly less talent on the offensive side of the ball before and yet we don't play this bad on offense. I think everyone takes blame. Players are not executing but they aren't on the same page with the coaches, most notably Trestman. Not that they don't like him but they don't seem to gel well with what they try to do or want to do. The OL runs still runs a zone-blocking scheme but the mix-up that they're attempting to do seems like it just isn't working. Yanda did say that when Kubiak was here the group ran zone-blocking exclusively, but it seems like they're mixing it up with gap blocking and tight zones. I just don't think that plays into the strength of Zuttah, Wagner, Lewis or even Stanley for that matter who are more geared for Zone blocking as athletic OL's. 

I wouldn't even fall for the 27 against Oakland, offense was disappointing against a bad defense, 288 yards on 52 drop backs is not good at all. Not to mention Joe just doesn't seem like he's happy with the passing game. Trestman seems like he wants to take it slow and use the short passing game, Joe seems like he's not down for that. 

My question is why change? If it ain't broke don't fix it? You're dragging yourself from the strength of the OL, why? 

Should've been 28 if it wasn't for Harbs, but I digress. Nonetheless, the only reason why I think there's a glimmer of hope is the fact we scored 21 points in the 2nd half. Had it been flipped and we only scored 6 points, then this is a different story.

I think this is the game where our running game will be decent enough only because the running game started to improve in the 2nd half. The question is, will Trestman stick to it? The last thing I want to see is Flacco throwing 30 passes by halftime.

I remember you said that teams have been running a Cover 2 against us and saw that we are bottom 5 in passing yards per attempt. I wonder if this has a lot to do with our offensive line not giving Flacco enough time to wait for receivers to develop their routes.   

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

I consider getting to Cousins early to be paramount this week.

His confidence can be shaken. The opposite is also true however.  if he gets in rhythm early it could be a long day.

Well, lets hope Harbaugh makes our best young pass rushers, Judon and Jernigan, are both actually active. Still can't beliee we benched Judon in favor of Smith.

[Doc]

it is a Pride thing we need to Win, I know it does nothing for us in The AFC, but the Fans love to see us Beat WASHINGTON!

[Sami84]

3 hours ago, AppStRavenfan said:

I hope you understand the ramifications of your actions, if we win that game you will be contractually obligated to sleep through every game until it is proven that your sleeping isn't the cause of our victories.

 

deal

[Edgar]

49 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Well, lets hope Harbaugh makes our best young pass rushers, Judon and Jernigan, are both actually active. Still can't beliee we benched Judon in favor of Smith.

Yes but I can see Mosley getting sent on this one and getting home 

Side note..tunes into 980 am just in time to hear. " We are going to beat those dirty birds......

Have to send them home pummeled...

[HoldingCall]

Well, we all know Maurice Canady won't play this week he's on IR and Ravens signed a new FS. 

[wizard1]

Ok Here's the skinny. I don't need the injury report to predict this game. We have the # 1 defense in the league and the Redskins have the # 7 offense but what does that mean exactly? It means we can't count on the defense to win games for us. Therefore since we have a below average offense we can't depend on the offense to win games for us either. We have 84 points after 4 games the Redskins have 99. That means something.. Skins are 3 points a game better. These are both 3-2 teams. Skins 23-20. I'm a Wizard--I see things!

[codizzle]

8 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Ok Here's the skinny. I don't need the injury report to predict this game. We have the # 1 defense in the league and the Redskins have the # 7 offense but what does that mean exactly? It means we can't count on the defense to win games for us. Therefore since we have a below average offense we can't depend on the offense to win games for us either. We have 84 points after 4 games the Redskins have 99. That means something.. Skins are 3 points a game better. These are both 3-2 teams. Skins 23-20. I'm a Wizard--I see things!

Ravens definitely do not have the number one defense 

[Rodgers_To_Nelson]

Last week I made a comment about the Raiders being like a bye week for you guys. I apologize because I jinxed ya. I say this week the Redskins will be a tough game, I will try reverse psycology.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

After re-watching some of the Browns vs Washington game highlights, I think this could really be a great game for us. Washington's offense doesn't have any quit in them and will step-on-the-peddle once they exploit any weakness no matter what the score. Their defense has under-performed, but can make real-time adjustments when their talent allows, but there's not a lot of talent to go around. For the most part Pyer toasted Norman (their most talented) at will through most of the game and the rest of the secondary got over 90 yards in penalties

Ravens Offense Keys to the Game:

• Start fast and find the weakest match-ups early and put-the-foot-on-gas and exploit it until they adjust
• Once they adjust...repeat 1st bullet above. There will always be 'new' holes and adjustments - not a lot of talent there.
• Challenge them with deep routes every series. They are very penalty prone on their covers.

Ravens Defense Keys to the Game:

• Use lots of front 7 substitutions and keep pressure on Cousins - impose our will early and throughout.
• Don't allow DeSean to get behind us and sure-tackling in front of us
• Don't give them penalty yardage and they become a very different team.

GO Ravens!

Edited October 6, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
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[JoeyFlex5]

16 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Ravens definitely do not have the number one defense 

Statistically, yes, we do.

[codizzle]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Statistically, yes, we do.

Oh stats. My bad. There's a lot more to defense than YPG.

There's nothing that makes me believe Ravens have number one defense currently in the league. 

Much improved and the strongest part of the team? Definitely 

[Inqui]

5 hours ago, DomMcRaven said:

Why's that?

Maybe he doesn't like the guy's movies.

http://m.imdb.com/name/nm1999803/

[Inqui]

52 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Statistically, yes, we do.

It's nice that we're top in yards per game, but I'd prefer to be top in points per game. 

[wizard1]

38 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Oh stats. My bad. There's a lot more to defense than YPG.

There's nothing that makes me believe Ravens have number one defense currently in the league. 

Much improved and the strongest part of the team? Definitely 

We have the #1 ranked defensively statistically like it or not. However you are right we definitely don't look like it. More because we've played some bad teams. Bottom line is we don't match up well against the skins. They simply have more talented personnel.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, wizard1 said:

We have the #1 ranked defensively statistically like it or not. However you are right we definitely don't look like it. More because we've played some bad teams. Bottom line is we don't match up well against the skins. They simply have more talented personnel.

Well, they do have the better TE. Other than that, kind of hard to sell the better personnel argument.

Ask Redskins fans...they'll tell you.

[Ravens4Real]

17 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, they do have the better TE. Other than that, kind of hard to sell the better personnel argument.

Ask Redskins fans...they'll tell you.

I'd take their TE's, CB's (Norman>>Jimmy, Breeland>>Wright) and I'd take their WR'S over ours. The last may draw an argument. Basically, I think DJax is a better deep threat than Wallace, Smith is better than Garçon. I think they hold a huge advantage at WR3. Crowder for them has been very good while we have yet to find someone who can even catch/hold onto the ball.

The WR argument may change by the end of the year depending on if any of the young guys contribute.

Edited October 7, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[BmoreBird22]

28 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

I'd take their TE's, CB's (Norman>>Jimmy, Breeland>>Wright) and I'd take their WR'S over ours. The last may draw an argument. Basically, I think DJax is a better deep threat than Wallace, Smith is better than Garçon. I think they hold a huge advantage at WR3. Crowder for them has been very good while we have yet to find someone who can even catch/hold onto the ball.

The WR argument may change by the end of the year depending on if any of the young guys contribute.

Breeland has been getting beat up pretty bad this year and Norman is purely a zone corner. Cannot hold his own in man for his career.

[Jacquouille]

7 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

I'd take their TE's, CB's (Norman>>Jimmy, Breeland>>Wright) and I'd take their WR'S over ours. The last may draw an argument. Basically, I think DJax is a better deep threat than Wallace, Smith is better than Garçon. I think they hold a huge advantage at WR3. Crowder for them has been very good while we have yet to find someone who can even catch/hold onto the ball.

The WR argument may change by the end of the year depending on if any of the young guys contribute.

You do realize their pass defense is one of the worse in the league? 

[Inqui]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

You do realize their pass defense is one of the worse in the league? 

So is their run defence.

[Ravens4Real]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

You do realize their pass defense is one of the worse in the league? 

There are so many more aspects to pass defense than how the cornerbacks are. A great pass rush can cover up very poor CB's and vice versa. 

Breeland is having his struggles but he's young and coming off of a great year last year. It's only his second year and has WAY more upside than anyone we have not named Jimmy.

Norman, he's still solid as hell. No one throws his way anymore. Whether it's zone or man. Steelers wanted nothing to do with him, he followed OBJ all game and held him in check. That's 2 of the top 5 WR's in the league.

[Jacquouille]

23 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

There are so many more aspects to pass defense than how the cornerbacks are. A great pass rush can cover up very poor CB's and vice versa. 

Breeland is having his struggles but he's young and coming off of a great year last year. It's only his second year and has WAY more upside than anyone we have not named Jimmy.

Norman, he's still solid as hell. No one throws his way anymore. Whether it's zone or man. Steelers wanted nothing to do with him, he followed OBJ all game and held him in check. That's 2 of the top 5 WR's in the league.

Beckham had 121 yards. I'm not calling that being "shut down". Pryor had his way against Norman as well. I'll agree that their pass rush doesn't help, but if they're better than Jimmy and Shareece it's not by far. 

[rmcjacket23]

10 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

I'd take their TE's, CB's (Norman>>Jimmy, Breeland>>Wright) and I'd take their WR'S over ours. The last may draw an argument. Basically, I think DJax is a better deep threat than Wallace, Smith is better than Garçon. I think they hold a huge advantage at WR3. Crowder for them has been very good while we have yet to find someone who can even catch/hold onto the ball.

The WR argument may change by the end of the year depending on if any of the young guys contribute.

At individual positions, yes, they are better in some areas. I was doing more of "grouping", such as Oline, secondary, linebackers, etc. 

Our secondary, overall, is better. They have better corners, we have better safeties. 

In theory their Oline MIGHT be as good or slightly better than ours when healthy, but they've got some injuries there as well. If Stanley is out, they will likely field the better unit on Sunday.

As a whole, we have the better QB, the better overall offense, and by far the better defense. Doesn't mean we will win of course, but I certainly wouldn't trade our personnel for theirs.

[Nightman]

Here's the last time the Redskins won a regular season game in Baltimore, 60 years ago.  Weeb Eubank coached the Colts and Eddie LeBaron was the Redskins QB.  Practically all of us weren't even born yet.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/10/07/remember-the-last-time-the-redskins-won-in-baltimore-you-probably-don't/

 

Edited October 7, 2016 by Nightman

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, Nightman said:

Here's the last time the Redskins won a regular season game in Baltimore, 60 years ago.  Weeb Eubank coached the Colts and Eddie LeBaron was the Redskins QB.  Practically of us weren't even born yet.


https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnews%2Fdc-sports-bog%2Fwp%2F2016%2F10%2F07%2Fremember-the-last-time-the-redskins-won-in-baltimore-you-probably-dont%2F

And here comes the jinx..

[berad]

Pass protection has been really bad this year and Flacco has made the OL look better (statistically) by turfing some balls and making some great plays on the run and/or under duress.

He could save his passer rating and duck for a sack but he'd be doing that 8-9 times a game at minimum.

They need to keep an anemic Redskins pass rush from dominating them. All the Washington stations have been talking about how they need to get their pass rush going and how the Redskins DL is a weak point.

[darklight1216]

19 minutes ago, Nightman said:

Here's the last time the Redskins won a regular season game in Baltimore, 60 years ago.  Weeb Eubank coached the Colts and Eddie LeBaron was the Redskins QB.  Practically of us weren't even born yet.
https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnews%2Fdc-sports-bog%2Fwp%2F2016%2F10%2F07%2Fremember-the-last-time-the-redskins-won-in-baltimore-you-probably-dont%2F&h=AAQFrdYfq&s=1st

What? That's crazy.

However, heading into last weekend the Raiders had never beaten the Ravens in Baltimore.

Sorry if I seem like a major downer, but so many good records have gone down recently for the Ravens.

 

Also: every time the Ravens have lost to the Redskins Baltimore has gone on to win the Superbowl. 

 

Here's hoping history repeats itself one way or another.

 

Who names their kid Weeb?

 

[JoeyFlex5]

15 hours ago, codizzle said:

Oh stats. My bad. There's a lot more to defense than YPG.

There's nothing that makes me believe Ravens have number one defense currently in the league. 

Much improved and the strongest part of the team? Definitely 

That's why I said statistically..

[JoeyFlex5]

15 hours ago, Inqui said:

It's nice that we're top in yards per game, but I'd prefer to be top in points per game. 

Me too no question. But we've also been streaky mostly due to Wright getting annihilated over the top. Also our 4 man rush disappears at times and I would place a lot of that blame on whoever is giving ZDS the snaps over judon, he's far inferior and it's not even a question at this point So why do it? I still think we're feeling things out and we will get it together in the 4 man rush, our 2nd corner spot though is a different story.