[News] Late For Work 9/26: 9 Takeaways, Including Jalen Ramsey-Steve Smith Feud And Ravens Atop AFC North

[hen826957]

Can we stop with Flacco is Elite crap? How many TDs and picks did he throw this past Sunday?
Trestman is the fault for our run game woes resorting to sweeps and outside pitches to get yards. Opponents will start keying in on this. Next entire practice should be dedicated to running the ball inside. full pads day. Bring back the zone stretch!!

Elite is irrelevant anyway. Just win and that what Joe does. Sometimes they get all the perfect stats and such but don't even win the game. Elite is just a word that people made up.

[jboy19]

Stats never tell the actual story of what happened. The Jaguars clearly were worried about the deep passes and Flacco was exploiting the underneath coverage. I'm not as worried about the 2 weird interceptions (one off of a Pitta miscommunication and one when the ball came out weird as he was hit while throwing) as I was about the first Haden interception in Week 2 and the Darby dropped interception in Week 1. The team seems to struggle when those vertical options are taken away. 

[FloridalovesRavens]

  1 hour ago, respecttheRaven said:

It's not just Trestman and his play calls. Trestman basically used Kubiaks offense last year, but I am pretty sure that he has implemented his own starting this year.  Kelechi Osemele  is a HUGE missing link this year, not to mention that Zutta has been playing horribly!! You know something is not right when Yanda has already gotten 4 penalties against him. Is there something wrong with our running game? Yes, there sure is, but IMO it's not just play calling. Just remember what a BEAST K.O was.....he is scary good!!!  

A good OC puts his players in a position to excel. You don't make it to the NFL if your not a good player. The team is not a well oiled machine on offense. With all the talent we have, it should be.

Plenty of other teams, with less talent are better.

JAX has the 16th ranked defense and we looked horrible.

yesterday:
Perriman, 2 receptions for 22 yards
Wallace, 3 for 34 years

That's over 10 yards/reception. Yet the Ravens could only muster 5 catches between the 2 of them?

Granted Smith and Pitta combined for 14/127

For an OC with a pass happy reputation, he sure doesn't impress me.
Flacco 29/40 for 214. 2 INTs, no TDs

PEDESTRIAN

Gee guess we should give back those 3 wins because we don't have any talent. Give me a break. This is basically a new offense and it will take time to jell. So I'll take these ugly wins until we do jell.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Can we stop with Flacco is Elite crap? How many TDs and picks did he throw this past Sunday?
Trestman is the fault for our run game woes resorting to sweeps and outside pitches to get yards. Opponents will start keying in on this. Next entire practice should be dedicated to running the ball inside. full pads day. Bring back the zone stretch!!

Still won though didn't we. The Ravens will do what it takes to win. You should know that by now. Flacco isn't the problem. Get over it and stop whining. The offense will improve.

[Cawtious]

2 hours ago, krnraven said:

Can we stop with Flacco is Elite crap? How many TDs and picks did he throw this past Sunday?
Trestman is the fault for our run game woes resorting to sweeps and outside pitches to get yards. Opponents will start keying in on this. Next entire practice should be dedicated to running the ball inside. full pads day. Bring back the zone stretch!!

Er, what NFL passing record did he almost match this weekend? 

[rmcjacket23]

Umm... TD/ INT ratio does matter. It matters a lot, especially when you call someone elite. Defense and Tucker balied him out again. Now, I like Joe and he's good. Best QB we ever had. But he's not not elite. not even close. Next thing you will tell me is Shareece is elite lol

And the banning chop blocking is not the reason. Look at the Broncos offense humming right along with a 7th round pick QB.

I see plenty of our run plays where just the design of the run play is horrible. Dixon will not be able to change that.

Does it? What does TD/INT ratio have to do with being elite?

Hint: be careful with the answer... you might actually make my argument for me.

[rmcjacket23]

  2 hours ago, krnraven said:

Can we stop with Flacco is Elite crap? How many TDs and picks did he throw this past Sunday?
Trestman is the fault for our run game woes resorting to sweeps and outside pitches to get yards. Opponents will start keying in on this. Next entire practice should be dedicated to running the ball inside. full pads day. Bring back the zone stretch!!

Elite is irrelevant anyway. Just win and that what Joe does. Sometimes they get all the perfect stats and such but don't even win the game. Elite is just a word that people made up.

Shhh.... don't tell him that. He still thinks fantasy stats are what matters for NFL QBs these days.

Let him sink his own ship.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Our running game does suck. But I did notice ALEX LEWIS getting benched for Ryan Jensen. Maybe we start to see John Urshel back as well.
Did anyone else notice Terrance West running better with Jensen in the game?

Jensen is a run game mauler pure and simple. Alex Lewis is coming along fine, but has not had a full off-season in the pro's to really get bulked up right for the position and jump to the pro's.

[Cawtious]

30 minutes ago, Ultimanick said:

Our running game does suck. But I did notice ALEX LEWIS getting benched for Ryan Jensen. Maybe we start to see John Urshel back as well.
Did anyone else notice Terrance West running better with Jensen in the game?

I think Alex got nicked.......unsure of what it was.

[reed20fence]

It's just a feeling... but my impression is that we play offense terrified - petrified really, of failure. We don't attack.

It's like, 1st down - pass play.
2nd down - didn't complete the pass, 99.9% chance we run the ball so we don't get caught in 3rd and long.
3rd down - say your Hail Mary's and pray for the best.

I agree, it is just a really anemic and pedestrian offense. No killer instinct. Just risk mitigation for 60 minutes.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Okay Ravens. You brought Juan in because he is a great offensive line coach of which I think we can see the evidence to support this.

However you got away from the zone running scheme and the running game has dried up altogether. It works well because it is simple to execute and lets linemen simply attack. Pretty much every other running scheme requires much more thinking to properly block off the defenders correctly.

IMHO it is well past the time to return to the zone running game. If you want to be a serious contender you need to be able to run late in the season when the weather gets cold and especially in playoffs. Cannot ignore this forever and do not need to panic. Also cannot repeat the same thing that is not working over and over and expect different results.

[hen826957]

  15 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

  2 hours ago, krnraven said:

Can we stop with Flacco is Elite crap? How many TDs and picks did he throw this past Sunday?
Trestman is the fault for our run game woes resorting to sweeps and outside pitches to get yards. Opponents will start keying in on this. Next entire practice should be dedicated to running the ball inside. full pads day. Bring back the zone stretch!!

Elite is irrelevant anyway. Just win and that what Joe does. Sometimes they get all the perfect stats and such but don't even win the game. Elite is just a word that people made up.

Shhh.... don't tell him that. He still thinks fantasy stats are what matters for NFL QBs these days.

Let him sink his own ship.

LOL ?

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Okay Ravens. You brought Juan in because he is a great offensive line coach of which I think we can see the evidence to support this.

However you got away from the zone running scheme and the running game has dried up altogether. It works well because it is simple to execute and lets linemen simply attack. Pretty much every other running scheme requires much more thinking to properly block off the defenders correctly.

IMHO it is well past the time to return to the zone running game. If you want to be a serious contender you need to be able to run late in the season when the weather gets cold and especially in playoffs. Cannot ignore this forever and do not need to panic. Also cannot repeat the same thing that is not working over and over and expect different results.

They still do zone blocking, its just with different gap schemes. 

Part of our ability to run the zone stretch was eliminated with new NFL rule changes which don't allow us to cut block. Its debatable what impact that has had on the line, but teams league-wise are transitioning from that a bit.

[OUravensfan]

Flacco has 2 game winning drives this season already

[Raven1995]

It's not just Trestman and his play calls. Trestman basically used Kubiaks offense last year, but I am pretty sure that he has implemented his own starting this year.  Kelechi Osemele  is a HUGE missing link this year, not to mention that Zutta has been playing horribly!! You know something is not right when Yanda has already gotten 4 penalties against him. Is there something wrong with our running game? Yes, there sure is, but IMO it's not just play calling. Just remember what a BEAST K.O was.....he is scary good!!!  

We get to see first hand this Sunday How good he is.

[Raven1995]

Umm... TD/ INT ratio does matter. It matters a lot, especially when you call someone elite. Defense and Tucker balied him out again. Now, I like Joe and he's good. Best QB we ever had. But he's not not elite. not even close. Next thing you will tell me is Shareece is elite lol

And the banning chop blocking is not the reason. Look at the Broncos offense humming right along with a 7th round pick QB.

I see plenty of our run plays where just the design of the run play is horrible. Dixon will not be able to change that.

TD/INT Ratio matters at the end of the Season, not one game. As for the running they need to stop using 2 backs and have a featured back. West did way better than Forsett sunday and Well find out soon about Dixon when he starts.

[eze17]

  46 minutes ago, RavenLunatic said:

  1 hour ago, respecttheRaven said:

It's not just Trestman and his play calls. Trestman basically used Kubiaks offense last year, but I am pretty sure that he has implemented his own starting this year.  Kelechi Osemele  is a HUGE missing link this year, not to mention that Zutta has been playing horribly!! You know something is not right when Yanda has already gotten 4 penalties against him. Is there something wrong with our running game? Yes, there sure is, but IMO it's not just play calling. Just remember what a BEAST K.O was.....he is scary good!!!  

A good OC puts his players in a position to excel. You don't make it to the NFL if your not a good player. The team is not a well oiled machine on offense. With all the talent we have, it should be.

Plenty of other teams, with less talent are better.

JAX has the 16th ranked defense and we looked horrible.

yesterday:
Perriman, 2 receptions for 22 yards
Wallace, 3 for 34 years

That's over 10 yards/reception. Yet the Ravens could only muster 5 catches between the 2 of them?

Granted Smith and Pitta combined for 14/127

For an OC with a pass happy reputation, he sure doesn't impress me.
Flacco 29/40 for 214. 2 INTs, no TDs

PEDESTRIAN

Gee guess we should give back those 3 wins because we don't have any talent. Give me a break. This is basically a new offense and it will take time to jell. So I'll take these ugly wins until we do jell.

Thank you for the dose of reality...yes, the offence is struggling and our running game is virtually non-existent, however the D is not only keeping us in games, but great enough to win them for us. We need to accept that we have two rookies playing on our O-line, a QB coming off a terrible injury and several receivers still getting acclimated into the offence with Wallace, Perimman and Moore. It will take time to get cohesion as a unit, but in the meantime we are WINNING games that we would have lost last year, and the defense is really looking like the dominant force Raven's fans have come to expect from this team. So give the offence a little more time to come together before breaking out the tar and feathers.

I will agree that the woes of our running game continue to frustrate all of us faithful, and definitely needs to be addressed post haste. At first I put most of the blame on the O-line, and the lack of emphasis Trestman places on running the ball, but I think the Jags game showed a difficulty with Forsett and West themselves. Hopefully Dixon's return may be the spark that ignites our rushing attack. Something needs to be done.

[eze17]

And a big shout out to Timmy Jernigan, dude was in beast mode yesterday...really nice plays, hope he got a game ball...

[respecttheRaven]

1 hour ago, RavenLunatic said:

A good OC puts his players in a position to excel. You don't make it to the NFL if your not a good player. The team is not a well oiled machine on offense. With all the talent we have, it should be.

Plenty of other teams, with less talent are better.

JAX has the 16th ranked defense and we looked horrible.

yesterday:
Perriman, 2 receptions for 22 yards
Wallace, 3 for 34 years

That's over 10 yards/reception. Yet the Ravens could only muster 5 catches between the 2 of them?

Granted Smith and Pitta combined for 14/127

For an OC with a pass happy reputation, he sure doesn't impress me.
Flacco 29/40 for 214. 2 INTs, no TDs

PEDESTRIAN

I am in no way meaning our team doesn't have the talent. It will just take a little more time.....remember Joe only played like 1 qtr. in pre-season. Give it a little more time.....I have faith in them.......do you???!!!

[The Greek]

im sure dixon gets his crack at it this sunday than we will know if it is forsett,west or the line that is the issue.

[bioLarzen]

im sure dixon gets his crack at it this sunday than we will know if it is forsett,west or the line that is the issue.

Dixon is a mid-round rookie. I don't think clueless fans should do about him what they've done about Reynolds: make it look like a mid-/late round pick is gonna be an instant saviour.

I think we should leve Dixon alone and temper our expectations about him. Not because he can't be good - but because he's a rookie coming off an in jury, with 0 meaningful NFL snaps. Ecpecting him to come and be the decider right away is deeply iunfair to him IMHO. Let him get acclimated.

[balfan23]

21 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Dixon is a mid-round rookie. I don't think clueless fans should do about him what they've done about Reynolds: make it look like a mid-/late round pick is gonna be an instant saviour.

I think we should leve Dixon alone and temper our expectations about him. Not because he can't be good - but because he's a rookie coming off an in jury, with 0 meaningful NFL snaps. Ecpecting him to come and be the decider right away is deeply iunfair to him IMHO. Let him get acclimated.

Not to mention that the o line is not giving the current RBs much to work with. To think that Dixon is just going to show up and be a dynamic, workhorse RB behind a line that has yet to get in sync is asking a lot. 

[callahan09]

4 hours ago, krnraven said:

Can we stop with Flacco is Elite crap? How many TDs and picks did he throw this past Sunday?
Trestman is the fault for our run game woes resorting to sweeps and outside pitches to get yards. Opponents will start keying in on this. Next entire practice should be dedicated to running the ball inside. full pads day. Bring back the zone stretch!!

Well by my count, he ran in 1 TD and threw a great pass that should have been caught for a TD (but was dropped by Wallace).

INTs, well, one of them he threw the ball in 2.3 seconds from the snap (quick release) but Wagner failed on his block and the defender hit his arm as he threw (and he couldn't step up into the pocket because Zuttah got pushed back into him).  The other one was a miscommunication on the route with Pitta.

There were a couple other dropped passes in the first half as well, and the yards per attempt is low for the same reason the running game is failing, because our playmakers aren't getting the blocking they need, and they don't seem to have either speed, evasiveness, or vision, to make a play once the ball is in their hands.  Flacco played a fine game, the offense overall was really, really sloppy.  The big problem is the O line.  They are committing way too many drive-killing mistakes (penalties and bad blocking).

Edited September 26, 2016 by callahan09

[The Greek]

denver has rushed 83 times for 334 yards and bmore 76 for 247. trestman is trying to run the ball but it is not working until the line play improves.

[RavenLunatic]

  2 hours ago, RavenLunatic said:

A good OC puts his players in a position to excel. You don't make it to the NFL if your not a good player. The team is not a well oiled machine on offense. With all the talent we have, it should be.

Plenty of other teams, with less talent are better.

JAX has the 16th ranked defense and we looked horrible.

yesterday:
Perriman, 2 receptions for 22 yards
Wallace, 3 for 34 years

That's over 10 yards/reception. Yet the Ravens could only muster 5 catches between the 2 of them?

Granted Smith and Pitta combined for 14/127

For an OC with a pass happy reputation, he sure doesn't impress me.
Flacco 29/40 for 214. 2 INTs, no TDs

PEDESTRIAN

I am in no way meaning our team doesn't have the talent. It will just take a little more time.....remember Joe only played like 1 qtr. in pre-season. Give it a little more time.....I have faith in them.......do you???!!!

I have a lot of faith in the players. It is Trestman that worries me. I can cut him some slack since last year we were ravaged by injuries, but I expect more.

[Purple Dawg 96]

Stop running on 1st and 2nd down and things will change for the better! You run to finish a game not start it! When you have the game almost put away and you want to drain the clock "THIS" is when the run game crushes a team so stop thinking the Ravens have to run to be successful Joe is getting ready to wreak havoc with his WRs so let's do work with all these weapons then run it down their throats! PS you can't judge a team until game 5 or 6 so give Trestman a chance to get this thing going because the Ravens are 3-0 baby 3-0 because WE THE BEST!

[krnraven]

  2 hours ago, hen826957 said:

  4 hours ago, krnraven said:

Can we stop with Flacco is Elite crap? How many TDs and picks did he throw this past Sunday?
Trestman is the fault for our run game woes resorting to sweeps and outside pitches to get yards. Opponents will start keying in on this. Next entire practice should be dedicated to running the ball inside. full pads day. Bring back the zone stretch!!

Elite is irrelevant anyway. Just win and that what Joe does. Sometimes they get all the perfect stats and such but don't even win the game. Elite is just a word that people made up.

Shhh.... don't tell him that. He still thinks fantasy stats are what matters for NFL QBs these days.

Let him sink his own ship.

Defense and ST won the game for us Sunday. Stats are there for reason. He never even made it to Probowl which would mean he's good. And I don't mean as a 5th alternate.

Wins are not attributable to just the QB. My ship is your ship. Nothing wrong with wanting more from the players and not hyping them up over nothing. Joe's stats the past 3 years are average.

[Crusader]

I still like our First Round Pick.

[PersianRaven]

We lost a tenacious run blocker in K.O. and we really did not have a replacement for him. Our pass-blocking has definitely improved, but our run blocking is still a work in progress.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Sorry but Dixon won't help this run game. The problem lies with some of the scheme and the OL. Specifically Zuttah. The guy just gets pushed out of his lanes too often and is nothing more than a speed bump against the pass rush.

If we can see it, you can't tell me the coaches don't. Time to make the move to someone else on the roster or find someone to bring in by trade. It has to get fixed immediately.