Offensive Playbook is Ancient

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

you clearly aren't watching the games. 80% of the routes run are based on speed and guys getting in space. The problem is it's hard to hit guys while they're running if your online doesn't allow your QB to step into his throws. Except for the first game, that was all Flacco just throwing flat footed. 

I look at some of these comments and it's clear that most of the comments are only being made because the offense isn't clicking right now. I'm willing bet that with the same exact plays being called but blocks being made, throws being made and balls being caught that most of you guys aren't saying 1 negative word about Trestman. 

I've said it before and will continue to say it, this isn't Madden Football. You can't just plug and play with an entire offense. Flacco, Pitta, SSS, Perriman, Wallace, Moore, Stanley and Lewis are all either working back from injury or playing in the offense for the first time. It takes time to gel, especially when you barely practiced or played together in TC and Preseason. Flacco said it best, they are constantly getting better and more comfortable then the flood gates will open

I partially agree. So many new pieces to this puzzle as it took a while for it to click last year.

great coordinators adjust their schemes to maximize the output of their best players. It seems that Trestman is forcing players to go out of their comfort zones and play his way when theyr not necessarily as effective or familiar with his scheme.

[GrimCoconut]

8 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

We need a new center badly... Someone who gets actual push. 

I'd settle for a center who just doesn't get pushed!

[stampedehero]

The proof is that Joe had 20 straight completions and not one TD. Trestman's creative ability  is suspect.  I see the Pats and Eagles rolling and crushing humans but we can't score at ease in the system Trestman deploys.  Thank God for Tuckers abilities as he accounted for 70% of the winning points  

[stampedehero]

1 hour ago, Halshayeji said:

I partially agree. So many new pieces to this puzzle as it took a while for it to click last year.

great coordinators adjust their schemes to maximize the output of their best players. It seems that Trestman is forcing players to go out of their comfort zones and play his way when theyr not necessarily as effective or familiar with his scheme.

The Patriots have the perfect plug in system.  After seeing a rookie QB win and the offense run like a well oiled machine I tend to believe it is That system  which  accounts for their continued success every  year

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, stampedehero said:

The Patriots have the perfect plug in system.  After seeing a rookie QB win and the offense run like a well oiled machine I tend to believe it is That system  which  accounts for their continued success every  year

Well, maybe. That system also changes, sometimes on a weekly basis.

The "system" that Brissett ran against the Texans is very, very, very different than the "system" Tom Brady would have run against them. Totally different system, totally different gameplan.

[Kid87]

We have some good weapons, but struggling to find a way to use them....but this Run game has been an issue, lawd help us

[Deflated Football]

2 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

No he's not. This offense is not just struggling. It's loosing it's identity. Trestman is a smart guy but maybe he's too stubborn for his own good. His scheme is obviously not a good fit for Flaccos strengths. It took about 10 weeks last year for this offense to get into any kind of rythem. I fear that with all the new pieces that weren't hear to finish last season, the ofense is having to learn it all over again and that's a big NO NO.

Okay, you try mixing in two starting rookie linemen, a QB and WR1 coming off of major injuries and missing most of the summer and no run game to speak of and let's see how creative you can get without being conservative. It's only week four for crying out loud. These guys are still healing. 

Edited September 27, 2016 by Deflated Football

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I agree but dont have a problem with it - and here's why.

We've done this for years. I truly believe its an organizational philosophy to try and use as little of the playbook as you need to to win games in the regular season and get to the playoffs. That way, you have  a couple games worth of stuff thats not on film and that D's cant really prepare for to throw at them when its 1 and done type games.

If you show your hand and put everything you do and your tendencies on film, you become easier and easier to defend as the year goes on. I don't want that.

[Halshayeji]

57 minutes ago, stampedehero said:

The Patriots have the perfect plug in system.  After seeing a rookie QB win and the offense run like a well oiled machine I tend to believe it is That system  which  accounts for their continued success every  year

I believe the Pats are the best at making week to week adjustments. They go pass heavy one week and run heavy the next. One week the QB throws hot potatoes and TE next he'll be patient and go deep. The pats QB ran like crazy last week. They adjust to any QBs strengths and opposing defenses weakness better than anyone. I don't see Trestman ever adjusting.

[757RavensFan]

Sure would have been nice to see what Kubiak could have done w/ the offensive players we have now.  IJS!!

Edited September 27, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[Halshayeji]

38 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Okay, you try mixing in two starting rookie linemen, a QB and WR1 coming off of major injuries and missing most of the summer and no run game to speak of and let's see how creative you can get without being conservative. It's only week four for crying out loud. These guys are still healing. 

It's not being comservative that bothers me. It's being stubborn that kills me.

il give a few examples:-

stanley had a tough time but he kept exposing him all game to 1vs1 instead of just putting Gilmore next to him.

3rd and short, he draws up a plays with no hot routes.

as Flacco gets blitzed he fails draw up a screen here and there to make them pay for it

bunch formation? I formation? He doesn't like them so he'll never use them unless harbs literally forced him to do so.

i know it's only week 3 but come on. I gotta see some improvement rather than regression on all fronts.

i don't know if it's because I watch every game twice or if it's just obvious but I can call half of the plays (short intermediate or long) from a TV. I'm sure D coordinators are reading him like an open book

[BmoreRavens732]

13 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Sure would have be nice to see what Kubiak could have done w/ the offensive players we have now.  IJS!!

I believe this is a harbaugh problem. I love harbs as a coach dont get me wrong but this is year in and year out. Always the same problems no matter how much talent we have.kubiak is the only one who's actually had success and I can only imagine what he could have done with the talent we have right now. I also think we are finally transitioning over to a pass first offense (about time). But we have to find a way to establish the run at least a little bit to set up our play action and deep passing a little better. We also need to utilize the middle of the field a little better as well 

[Ravensfan23]

3 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I partially agree. So many new pieces to this puzzle as it took a while for it to click last year.

great coordinators adjust their schemes to maximize the output of their best players. It seems that Trestman is forcing players to go out of their comfort zones and play his way when theyr not necessarily as effective or familiar with his scheme.

Like who? Who's going out of their comfort zone. SSS is being used at all 4 WR spots and is often getting favorable matchups, is he out of his comfort zone? Trestman got him matched up against LBs about 3 or 4 times early in the Jags game, that should able a win 100% of the time. 

Wallace looks to be on pace for a resurgent season. We don't really know what Perriman and Moore's strengths are other than being fast, but both look like more than just one trick ponies with speed. 

Pitta is being used as that stretch TE/Slot WR like he was for the SB run and Juice is being used as the Swiss army knife he has the potential to be. 

Flacco is allowed to run the offense from the LOS and has the freedom to call his own plays, like many have been asking for, for years.

Aiken, Gilmore and Williams aren't being used as much but that's because the player in front of them is playing so well and brings something different to the offense. 

The only 2 guys I see being misused is Forsett because he doesn't fit the one cut and go style. With the other being Buck Allen because he actually fits that slasher style and could add to the passing attack but isn't being used. 

[Halshayeji]

4 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Like who? Who's going out of their comfort zone. SSS is being used at all 4 WR spots and is often getting favorable matchups, is he out of his comfort zone? Trestman got him matched up against LBs about 3 or 4 times early in the Jags game, that should able a win 100% of the time. 

Wallace looks to be on pace for a resurgent season. We don't really know what Perriman and Moore's strengths are other than being fast, but both look like more than just one trick ponies with speed. 

Pitta is being used as that stretch TE/Slot WR like he was for the SB run and Juice is being used as the Swiss army knife he has the potential to be. 

Flacco is allowed to run the offense from the LOS and has the freedom to call his own plays, like many have been asking for, for years.

Aiken, Gilmore and Williams aren't being used as much but that's because the player in front of them is playing so well and brings something different to the offense. 

The only 2 guys I see being misused is Forsett because he doesn't fit the one cut and go style. With the other being Buck Allen because he actually fits that slasher style and could add to the passing attack but isn't being used. 

Pitta lines up outside too many times for my liking. It's not like he's gonna outrun a cornerback.

Flacco obviously isn't playing to his strength.

Perriman is being used as a possession receiver instead of stretching the field and Juice has dissapeared. I'd like to see Juice in the backfield and block the extra rusher if Forsett can't handle it.

I actually loved how he used SSS and pitta the previous game but not much more beyond that.

[TurkishRaven]

I think our expectations were too high to begin with. 

Let's look at the people who were injured last year,

QB, WR1, TE1, RB1 

 

With the additions of two rookie lineman and new WR2 + WR3 

It will take some time to get there. I will wait until the Steelers game to criticize Trestman and the offense.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Okay, you try mixing in two starting rookie linemen, a QB and WR1 coming off of major injuries and missing most of the summer and no run game to speak of and let's see how creative you can get without being conservative. It's only week four for crying out loud. These guys are still healing. 

Not to mention basically of the 17 players who are used on offense only 5 Aiken, West, Yanda, Wagner, and Juice aren't dealing with some kind of issue that could impact the performance of the offense. Flacco, SSS, Perriman, Forsett, Zuttah, Gilmore and Pitta all are returning from season ending injury and only Zuttah played a lot in PS. 

Then you have Moore, Stanley, Lewis and Wallace who are new to the offense. Maxx Williams missed most of the PS with injury and most of these guys missed the majority of training camp. That's a total of 12 offensive pieces that has to gel and it all won't happen quickly. 

I continue to tell people it's not Madden Football. Yes the Ravens have the talent offensively but you can just expect a guy not to have rust to knock off and we're talking about 12 guys total. 

 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

It's the third game of the season... and the Ravens are 3-0 as weeks pass more of the playbook will be opened with more wrinkles thrown in. I am just happy we are 3-0 and have got guys coming back on both sides of the ball Doom and Dixon....

[Rav'n Maniac]

You want ancient? Bring back the Power T Formation with the two TE & 3 RB set. Pull 1 OT & 1TE and pitch out to the trailing back giving 4 lead blockers to the outside. Hey, it worked in 1940 from what I read. 

Edited September 27, 2016 by Rav'n Maniac

[ALPHA]

4 hours ago, stampedehero said:

The Patriots have the perfect plug in system.  After seeing a rookie QB win and the offense run like a well oiled machine I tend to believe it is That system  which  accounts for their continued success every  year

I always envy these high powered, efficient systems. Its like they're playing a different game to us.

[Edgar]

On 9/26/2016 at 0:25 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Honestly, I really don't think that's a problem. Kind of what I expected going into the season.

You've got like at least 4-5 WRs that we want to see get targets, plus Pitta who is clearly our best pass catching TE and RBs.

There's only one football and too many mouths to feed according to the fans. 

At this point, we know what the hierarchy is... Pitta and Steve Smith are the preferred options, with Wallace and Perriman being mixed in significantly. The RBs share a few targets a game, and that's how the offense is going right now.

Aiken doesn't figure to get much of a role anytime soon, and neither do the other TEs in the passing game.

I don't care about them being "Fed", as such. How MANY targets they receive ultimately,etc.

I'd like to think there are some relatively easy conversions ( on third down in particular) to be had by leaking one or the other and either leaving Pitta in to block or having him clear.

No reason to key in on guys to the point of exclusion. Tends to be predictable.

[January J]

Maybe were keeping some of our better plays up our sleeves for the better competition or for those last 4 tough games down the stretch...such as new england, Pittsburgh, philly and Cincinnati.. Dont wanna tip our hand on everything so early against inferior opponents

[Tank 92]

5 hours ago, stampedehero said:

The Patriots have the perfect plug in system.  After seeing a rookie QB win and the offense run like a well oiled machine I tend to believe it is That system  which  accounts for their continued success every  year

Kinda drives home the point that brady Is just another average QB, nothing special. 

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Kinda drives home the point that brady Is just another average QB, nothing special. 

I disagree.  The pats may be able to win without him,  but I doubt they are winning 13/15 division titles with just random guys.   Yes,  Matt Cassell went 11-5, (didn't make playoffs)  don't you think Brady would account for 2 more wins? At least? 

[Tank 92]

37 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I disagree.  The pats may be able to win without him,  but I doubt they are winning 13/15 division titles with just random guys.   Yes,  Matt Cassell went 11-5, (didn't make playoffs)  don't you think Brady would account for 2 more wins? At least? 

Not sure. I just don't see anything he does on the field that puts him a cut above. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Maybe were keeping some of our better plays up our sleeves for the better competition or for those last 4 tough games down the stretch...such as new england, Pittsburgh, philly and Cincinnati.. Dont wanna tip our hand on everything so early against inferior opponents

Wishful thinking

[Ravensfan23]

5 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

Pitta lines up outside too many times for my liking. It's not like he's gonna outrun a cornerback.

Flacco obviously isn't playing to his strength.

Perriman is being used as a possession receiver instead of stretching the field and Juice has dissapeared. I'd like to see Juice in the backfield and block the extra rusher if Forsett can't handle it.

I actually loved how he used SSS and pitta the previous game but not much more beyond that.

Pitta lining up outside is about more than just getting him the ball. The offense is 11 pieces working together. More so than the defense, the offense has to be on 1 accord. This is why the lack of reps that so many of these guys got in Camp and Preseason is so important. Pitta lining up outside puts stress on the defense. If a CB is lined up on Pitta, that usually means a LB or Safety is isolated against one of our other skilled players. Ex. The first 3rd down of the game, Ramsey is matched up on Pitta which allows SSS to be matched up on a LB in space. That's a win for the offense 100% of the time. 

Why isn't Flacco playing to his strengths, because he isn't chunking the ball down the field every play? Flacco is finally back to the same style offense that made NFL teams fall in love with him at Delaware. Spread the offense out and let 5 work. I'm definitely interested in hearing how you think Flacco is obviously misused. 

Perriman is being slowly groomed to be a #1 type WR. You don't just run deep routes with him all the time. He's getting plenty of deep routes right now and will only get more as he develops more. Juice had such a big year last year for the same reason that Aiken did, the offense didn't really have anyone else. With SSS, Pitta, Perriman, Wallace and Moore, you're not gonna target Juice as much. Also I'd say you should look closer on 3rd downs because Juice is often the lone back next to Flacco for protection, not Forsett. 

[ALPHA]

I think the offense will pick up a bit now that Flacco is getting some of his rhythm back, but we still need to get the ground game going.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I just want to see our route tree. I dont even see the curl routes Joe used to live on with Mason. 

[usmccharles]

32 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Not sure. I just don't see anything he does on the field that puts him a cut above. 

I think that's the issue with a lot of people.   He's not big,  he doesn't have a cannon arm,  not mobile,  he just has it between the ears.   I don't know why we have to say it's Bill B or Brady,  why can't it be both.  Bill B went through a lot of QBs and never won,  gets Brady and yea..... 

 

Damn you for getting me to defend them

[Tank 92]

17 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think that's the issue with a lot of people.   He's not big,  he doesn't have a cannon arm,  not mobile,  he just has it between the ears.   I don't know why we have to say it's Bill B or Brady,  why can't it be both.  Bill B went through a lot of QBs and never won,  gets Brady and yea..... 

 

Damn you for getting me to defend them

And he's been a media darling myth. Can you imagine if he had completed 21 straight on Sunday? I don't care it was for a total of 93 yards and they lost by 30, ESPN would have a special half hour show to dissect each pass.   lol