Was wright benched?

[reed20]

Didnt see him getting torched in the fourth quarter. Did we bench him for Young?

[52liveforever]

I didn't really notice. Probably because the defense wasn't on the field very much in the fourth. Young has looked good though.

[Cville-Raven]

No he was out there. Bortles was just terrible in the 4th quarter. Which is why none of our corners were really tested at the end there.

[trevorsteadman]

This needs to go guys... Wright was only burned because he was put against Allen Robinson by himself several times in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. In the 4th the Ravens were smart and let Jimmy Smith cover Robinson and that is why you never heard from Robinson again really the entire game. The announcers even pointed it out. 

Wright is a solid #2 cornerback but the coaching staff set him up to fail multiple times. He should never be on the #1 receiver. He is pretty lock down on the #2 guy for the most part the last two seasons though. 

[52liveforever]

2 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

This needs to go guys... Wright was only burned because he was put against Allen Robinson by himself several times in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. In the 4th the Ravens were smart and let Jimmy Smith cover Robinson and that is why you never heard from Robinson again really the entire game. The announcers even pointed it out. 

Wright is a solid #2 cornerback but the coaching staff set him up to fail multiple times. He should never be on the #1 receiver. He is pretty lock down on the #2 guy for the most part the last two seasons though. 

I agree. Wright has been solid. Jimmy should take the top receiver especially when the top receiver is as good as Robinson.

[PurpleCity5]

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

This needs to go guys... Wright was only burned because he was put against Allen Robinson by himself several times in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. In the 4th the Ravens were smart and let Jimmy Smith cover Robinson and that is why you never heard from Robinson again really the entire game. The announcers even pointed it out. 

Wright is a solid #2 cornerback but the coaching staff set him up to fail multiple times. He should never be on the #1 receiver. He is pretty lock down on the #2 guy for the most part the last two seasons though. 

People are over-blowing his performance this game. Robinson finished with 56 yards on the day. I'm very satisfied with that. I don't have a problem with Wright seeing Robinson on some coverage, I just have a problem with him on a one-on-one situation with Robinson in the goal. You always put your best CB against their best WRs in those situations. Robinson is a beast and no joke. Why are people here acting like he's just another WR? lol. 56 yards? I'll take it. At least it wasn't 100+ because if that was the case we would have lost the game. 

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not sure why Jimmy wasn't shadowing Robinson the whole game. Jimmy matches up better with Robinson than he did any other WR. Not that I don't think Jimmy could handle the other WR, but I didn't like Robinson matched up against Wright and I had no clue why we were letting that happen. I even think I saw Wright one-on-one with Robinson? Lol, like why? That really made no sense to me. It was like we asked to get beat there. 

[52liveforever]

1 minute ago, PurpleCity5 said:

People are over-blowing his performance this game. Robinson finished with 56 yards on the day. I'm very satisfied with that. I don't have a problem with Wright seeing Robinson on some coverage, I just have a problem with him on a one-on-one situation with Robinson in the goal. You always put your best CB against their best WRs in those situations. Robinson is a beast and no joke. Why are people here acting like he's just another WR? lol. 56 yards? I'll take it. At least it wasn't 100+ because if that was the case we would have lost the game. 

yeah. Mosely busted zone coverage a few times which would have been helpful.

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure why Jimmy wasn't shadowing Robinson the whole game. Jimmy matches up better with Robinson than he did any other WR. Not that I don't think Jimmy could handle the other WR, but I didn't like Robinson matched up against Wright and I had no clue why we were letting that happen. I even think I saw Wright one-on-one with Robinson? Lol, like why? That really made no sense to me. It was like we asked to get beat there. 

And that is my point I think there were two plays he was 1 on 1 with no safety help and it made me scratch my head. Jimmy Smith matches up well with those bigger receivers and Wright plays better against the quicker receivers and he should've been on Hurns or Lee every play. I get mixing up coverage but jeez the defensive calling of putting Wright on Robinson for a few plays was awful. Still by far the #2 cornerback on this team and it is not even close. 

[PurpleCity5]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure why Jimmy wasn't shadowing Robinson the whole game. Jimmy matches up better with Robinson than he did any other WR. Not that I don't think Jimmy could handle the other WR, but I didn't like Robinson matched up against Wright and I had no clue why we were letting that happen. I even think I saw Wright one-on-one with Robinson? Lol, like why? That really made no sense to me. It was like we asked to get beat there. 

I don't think Wright did bad for the most part, but that one-on-one at the goal line didn't make much sense to me. Wright held his own outside of those TDs, one where he shouldn't have been covering Robinson. I guess Pees is one of those DC who likes to keep their best CB all around the place so that he can make the offense main focus around one guy. If Bortles can only get the ball to Robinson instead of Lee and Hurns, then that will tear a lot out of the playbook. Jimmy did shadow Robinson in the end, but hopefully next time we just let Jimmy take care of guys like AJ Green and AB. 

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't think Wright did bad for the most part, but that one-on-one at the goal line didn't make much sense to me. Wright held his own outside of those TDs, one where he shouldn't have been covering Robinson. I guess Pees is one of those DC who likes to keep their best CB all around the place so that he can make the offense main focus around one guy. If Bortles can only get the ball to Robinson instead of Lee and Hurns, then that will tear a lot out of the playbook. Jimmy did shadow Robinson in the end, but hopefully next time we just let Jimmy take care of guys like AJ Green and AB. 

I just didn't like Wright on Robinson. Throw Jimmy on Robinson and I would've put Young on Hurns. I know that's a tall task but I love what I see from Young. That guy is a baller and I think he matched up great with Hurns. That's just my opinion. 

[Maryland]

Agree with the opinion that Jimmy should have been covering Robinson the whole game. That's a perfect match-up from a size, speed, and physicality standpoint. Should have put Wright on Hurns /w safety help (since he's a deep threat).

That TD on Wright seemed like poor coaching to me. Especially when it comes to the redzone, put Jimmy 1 on 1 with Robinson, not Wright. Robinson is too physical, comparable to Colston or maybe Boldin. 

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

Agree with the opinion that Jimmy should have been covering Robinson the whole game. That's a perfect match-up from a size, speed, and physicality standpoint. Should have put Wright on Hurns /w safety help (since he's a deep threat).

That TD on Wright seemed like poor coaching to me. Especially when it comes to the redzone, put Jimmy 1 on 1 with Robinson, not Wright. Robinson is too physical, comparable to Colston or maybe Boldin. 

I hate to admit this but that TD was a perfect route and a perfect throw. I really don't see many CBs stoping that on their own. I don't feel too bad about it. Weight needs to keep his chin up and keep balling. The jags have 3 good WRs and a very good TE that we kept in check for most of the game so I'm not complaining att all.

[Maryland]

28 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

I hate to admit this but that TD was a perfect route and a perfect throw. I really don't see many CBs stoping that on their own. I don't feel too bad about it. Weight needs to keep his chin up and keep balling. The jags have 3 good WRs and a very good TE that we kept in check for most of the game so I'm not complaining att all.

You have a point, it was a well-located pass right in the back of the endzone. However, I think it's possible Jimmy doesn't get pushed out of the way and/or out-jumped so easily. Jimmy is more physical than Wright, so I like his chances better. 

Wright is 5'11", Jimmy is 6'2", Robinson is 6'3" --seems like you should have the more physical corner on the more physical WR

Edited September 26, 2016 by Maryland

[redrum52]

First off, not the fondest of his coverage at times, but I will bet this.  His tackling will be highly valued down the line this season.

[Halshayeji]

42 minutes ago, Maryland said:

You have a point, it was a well-located pass right in the back of the endzone. However, I think it's possible Jimmy doesn't get pushed out of the way and/or out-jumped so easily. Jimmy is more physical than Wright, so I like his chances better. 

Wright is 5'11", Jimmy is 6'2", Robinson is 6'3" --seems like you should have the more physical corner on the more physical WR

I agree.

starting week 6 we face Odell, B.Marshal, A.Brown, J.Gordon, D.Bryant, and AJ Green. Back to back to back! If Jimmy can shadow the best WR then the D can scheme for everyone else and well be fine. If not then Flacco better rack up some points lol

[Purple_City39]

Let's not downplay this to Wright only getting beat on 2 plays, because that's not the case at all.  On the drive with that long punt return, Wright was beat three times alone on that drive, including the TD.  If I recall correctly, those three passes were that entire drive.  Also, go back and watch that TD.  Yes, it was a great route and throw, but Wright actually played it poorly because he played the inside route when he had inside help from Webb.

I will agree that I hated the fact he never got help after, let's say, half time because it was obvious he couldn't handle Robinson but don't be fooled, it wasn't simply a size difference issue.  Many of the catches on Wright he never saw coming because he had to focus on recovering from getting beat and never even looked for the ball.  Hurns beat him the same way a few times.  I mentioned it on another thread, but even that play where Bortles escaped one sack only to be sacked again, Wright was burned for what would have been a TD.  I forget which WR it was, but the receiver actually stopped running because he thought Bortles was sacked by the first defender.

Wright is great against the run game as he's an aggressive and sure tackler.  He's a huge liability in coverage and for whatever reason, Jimmy plays far more RCB than shadowing #1 receivers (and has since 2013) so expect Wright to see #1s a lot more and expect more of the same.

[Edug27]

9 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

This needs to go guys... Wright was only burned because he was put against Allen Robinson by himself several times in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. In the 4th the Ravens were smart and let Jimmy Smith cover Robinson and that is why you never heard from Robinson again really the entire game. The announcers even pointed it out. 

Wright is a solid #2 cornerback but the coaching staff set him up to fail multiple times. He should never be on the #1 receiver. He is pretty lock down on the #2 guy for the most part the last two seasons though. 

Robinson isn't the first WR to burn Wright. Number 2 wideouts are also beating Wright for big plays consistently. The rookie Coleman did just that last game. 

Wright has shown the ability to make nice tackles around the line of scrimmage. But his man coverage is tough to watch. It doesn't take a Julio Jones to beat him. He's having trouble defending simple routes by basic receivers. I'm not sure Tavon is the answer right now, but hopefully we can find ways to clean this up as the season goes on. 

[AWOLFNATION]

I have mixed feelings on Shareece Wright. He's clearly not a very good cover corner, but he's solid. His tackling and aggressiveness in the run game are what makes him an asset when the other team runs the ball. It might be a schematic issue, but seeing him get burned by Corey Coleman and Allen Robinson three times total for touchdowns puts him in the spotlight, and not in a good way. While I don't believe he's a guy that you count on for years to come at corner, I think that he will be a decent player in the short-term. Tavon Young has stood out for his play, and I would think that he starts to solidify his role in the slot. I'm curious to see what kind of impact Jerraud Powers and Will Davis can have if they get opportunities. I thought that Davis especially showed potential before he got injured last season, but I'm not sure that he's fully recovered from his injury.

[terps85]

14 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

Robinson isn't the first WR to burn Wright. Number 2 wideouts are also beating Wright for big plays consistently. The rookie Coleman did just that last game. 

Wright has shown the ability to make nice tackles around the line of scrimmage. But his man coverage is tough to watch. It doesn't take a Julio Jones to beat him. He's having trouble defending simple routes by basic receivers. I'm not sure Tavon is the answer right now, but hopefully we can find ways to clean this up as the season goes on. 

Coleman is a 1st round pick and very talented, so it's not like he's some no name rookie.  Also, Hurns did nothing yesterday against Wright.  Much like other posters have said, Wright should not have ever been on Robinson.

[rmcjacket23]

I do find it amusing how frequently words like "overrated" and "overpaid" get used so much about Jimmy Smith, yet here's a thread where we are asking why he isn't shadowing the other teams best WR?

Interesting how that dynamic works...

[Edug27]

11 minutes ago, terps85 said:

Coleman is a 1st round pick and very talented, so it's not like he's some no name rookie.  Also, Hurns did nothing yesterday against Wright.  Much like other posters have said, Wright should not have ever been on Robinson.

So Wright is excused from giving up big plays on a consistent basis to all wideouts who are starters, first rd picks, or deemed 'very talented'? Its football man. Offenses will design plays to cause matchup problems with Wright. You can't hide him all game. Jimmy is not Revis. What happens when the Jets come with Decker and Marshall? Or the Raiders come to town with a 6'2 Crabtree as the #2 receiver? 

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Edug27 said:

So Wright is excused from giving up big plays on a consistent basis to all wideouts who are starters, first rd picks, or deemed 'very talented'? Its football man. Offenses will design plays to cause matchup problems with Wright. You can't hide him all game. Jimmy is not Revis. What happens when the Jets come with Decker and Marshall? Or the Raiders come to town with a 6'2 Crabtree as the #2 receiver? 

Allen Hurns is 6'3" and every bit as good a receiver as Crabtree is... maybe even more.

What did he do yesterday?

Shutting down receivers is a team concept, not an individual corner concept. Just like offenses scheme ways to get playmakers the ball and get open, defenses scheme to prevent those things from happening.

[Edug27]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Allen Hurns is 6'3" and every bit as good a receiver as Crabtree is... maybe even more.

What did he do yesterday?

Shutting down receivers is a team concept, not an individual corner concept. Just like offenses scheme ways to get playmakers the ball and get open, defenses scheme to prevent those things from happening.

Here's my point... I like Wright as a corner. He's a good tackler and decent cover man. But since he's been here, he has a knack at giving up the big plays. Whether that's getting beat on the long ball, or in the redzone for a TD. He reminds me much of Webb when he started going downhill. I'm not asking Wright to shut down a wideout. Heck, I don't even ask that from Jimmy. But if he keeps getting beat for those game changing plays, then Pees needs to address that. And that doesn't mean benching him. Maybe it means not leaving him out on an island as much or giving him more help. But simply taking him off "good receivers" is not the answer. Teams will scheme up mismatches. And some teams have a really talented number 2.  

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Edug27 said:

Here's my point... I like Wright as a corner. He's a good tackler and decent cover man. But since he's been here, he has a knack at giving up the big plays. Whether that's getting beat on the long ball, or in the redzone for a TD. He reminds me much of Webb when he started going downhill. I'm not asking Wright to shut down a wideout. Heck, I don't even ask that from Jimmy. But if he keeps getting beat for those game changing plays, then Pees needs to address that. And that doesn't mean benching him. Maybe it means not leaving him out on an island as much or giving him more help. But simply taking him off "good receivers" is not the answer. Teams will scheme up mismatches. And some teams have a really talented number 2.  

Depends on what the concept and scheme for that play is. Fans usually take the easy approach with their analysis... they see a receiver catch a pass in an area where Wright was, and therefore the completion is on him. Obviously, that could be true or completely false, and fans rarely know the difference.

From what I've seen, he's had 1 very good game (Buffalo), one very poor game (Cleveland), and one pretty average game (Jacksonville). So he's playing about what everybody thinks he should be playing, since he's paid and was expected to be an average corner.

At the end of the day, the "big plays" are only having so much impact on the game, given that we're allowing 15 PPG on defense. So the defense as a total unit is largely doing a good job against "big plays". I don't really recall any big plays yesterday or in the Buffalo game, so I think we are primarily focused on the Cleveland game from that perspective.

 

[Edug27]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Depends on what the concept and scheme for that play is. Fans usually take the easy approach with their analysis... they see a receiver catch a pass in an area where Wright was, and therefore the completion is on him. Obviously, that could be true or completely false, and fans rarely know the difference.

From what I've seen, he's had 1 very good game (Buffalo), one very poor game (Cleveland), and one pretty average game (Jacksonville). So he's playing about what everybody thinks he should be playing, since he's paid and was expected to be an average corner.

At the end of the day, the "big plays" are only having so much impact on the game, given that we're allowing 15 PPG on defense. So the defense as a total unit is largely doing a good job against "big plays". I don't really recall any big plays yesterday or in the Buffalo game, so I think we are primarily focused on the Cleveland game from that perspective.

 

15 pts a game on defense is crucial when your offense is scoring 19 pts a game. And everything about this post is lazy. There was nothing average about him yesterday. He's given up 3 TD's in the last 2 games ... against 2 very average QB's. The schedule and QB talent only gets tougher from here. No one is calling Wright a scrub... or a bad corner. But he has a knack at giving up the big plays. You can't argue that. Even stemming from last season. Same story. It's the same stuff we saw with Webb before the Safety switch.

[PurpleCity5]

10 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

yeah. Mosely busted zone coverage a few times which would have been helpful.

Jimmy was expecting some help over the middle on a Marquise Lee completion, I think there was another busted zone coverage but I missed it. 

[PurpleCity5]

10 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I just didn't like Wright on Robinson. Throw Jimmy on Robinson and I would've put Young on Hurns. I know that's a tall task but I love what I see from Young. That guy is a baller and I think he matched up great with Hurns. That's just my opinion. 

The ability to shadow other WRs while having a safety help on Robinson is what won us the game honestly. I feel like Wright could've gave up a few more yards to Hurns and Lee but him giving up only 57 to Robinson allowed Jimmy to take care of business on others. I felt like Robinson could've put up just as much on Jimmy minus the TDs, but maybe Blake might have found Hurns or Lee for the score. I don't know but in goal line, I would have preferred to see Jimmy on Robinson. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Yea - this was a game that Jimmy shouldve been on Robinson most of the time. Jimmy does best with the bigger, jump ball type guys bc he physically matches up well. Its the smaller, quicker receivers that he struggles with (and Shareece typically does better with).

I think they were worried about both Robinson and Hurns from the start and felt Jimmy would erase Hurns (he did) and that Wright with safety help could limit Robinson (he did for the most part). It was just in the red zone, Wright got left on a island twice and it led to 2 TDs he really couldnt do much about. On the first he had to play inside leverage, and on the 2nd he just got beat by an athletic throw and catch.

Once the adjustment was made, Jimmy shut Robinson out... and Hurns never bothered us. 

But its not like Wright played terribly. It was just on the 2 TD throws where he never shouldve been 1on1 to begin with. Cant entirely blame him for being put in a terrible situation.

[rmcjacket23]

56 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

15 pts a game on defense is crucial when your offense is scoring 19 pts a game. And everything about this post is lazy. There was nothing average about him yesterday. He's given up 3 TD's in the last 2 games ... against 2 very average QB's. The schedule and QB talent only gets tougher from here. No one is calling Wright a scrub... or a bad corner. But he has a knack at giving up the big plays. You can't argue that. Even stemming from last season. Same story. It's the same stuff we saw with Webb before the Safety switch.

Well, me personally, I don't really put too much stock in "TDs allowed" when it comes to corners, mostly because we know historically they're extremely fluky and not a strong indication of performance. Its like using TDs to identify whether a WR is good... it doesn't work, because there's massive swings annually among the best WRs in the league as to how many TDs they catch.

Its kind of tough to argue the "big play" aspect based on yesterdays game, considering he really didn't give up any. A 3 yard TD on a double cut isn't a "big play" in terms of what I'd expect my corners to be giving up.

When the best WR on their team and one of the better in the league goes 7 for 57 on 11 targets (that's like 8 yards a catch), I'm not that concerned. Would I have liked if two of those catches weren't TDs? Sure, that would have been great. 

He gave up big plays against Cleveland. I didn't see anything yesterday that I was severely disappointed about, nor did I in Buffalo. For me, Wright is playing right about at the level everybody should expecting him to play it. When a player is meeting my expectations, I'm not going to complain about them.

But that's just me.