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[Cillmatic]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Anyone else think jimmy singled in Crabtree and then wright + bracket coverage for Cooper would be far more effective? Doesn't matter who you put on cooper he can't realistically be single covered, and jimmy matches up excellent with Crabtree. 

 

Wright can't handle speed, Jimmy's a better matchup.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

33 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Wright can't handle speed, Jimmy's a better matchup.

Cooper isnt that fast. 4.42. He's a polished route runner and uses that craftiness to get open. 

Wright absolutely has the athleticism to hang with Cooper, and has very good instincts and coverage discipline (aside from looking back for the ball).

Jimmy relies more on his size and physicality. Cooper is exactly the type of guy that i think Jimmy would struggle with. hes been relying too much on his closing speed and hasnt been as sharp with his hips and changing directions. So, Crabtree is absolutely the matchup for him. Both are bigger, stronger and Crab is more of the jump ball, uses body position to box out, and uses speed to get behind. Thats right up Jimmy's alley.He should be able to single-handedly erase Crabtree which takes away a huge facet of their offense.

Wright with some help from the LBs and safeties is the way to go on Cooper, imo. He's struggled on Robinson and Coleman who are much more similar to Crab than Cooper. And Woods who is, while a much lesser version, more similar to Cooper and Wright completely erased him.

And if Jimmy erases Crabtree than he doesnt open up the field which limits the space for Cooper to operate. Makes the job easier for Wright and Co.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Anyone else think jimmy singled in Crabtree and then wright + bracket coverage for Cooper would be far more effective? Doesn't matter who you put on cooper he can't realistically be single covered, and jimmy matches up excellent with Crabtree. 

 

Yes. Ive been saying this all week.

Jimmy matches up perfect with Crabtree and if he follows him around and erases him, he cant open the field up to make it easy for Cooper to operate.

And Wright does much better with the shifty, crafty route runners than the big physical guys. He did really well against Robert Woods who has a very similar game to Cooper.... just not anywhere near the same level. But in terms of size, speed, and how theyre used - its very similar. Give Wright some help and we should be golden. I actually give us the advantage in that match up.

I think Crabtree is actually more important to what they do than Cooper. usually when they do well as a team its because Crabtree is getting open down field, being a nuisance in the red zone and making plays. Cooper, while probably the better player overall, isnt really a game breaker. He can get 8-10 catches, 100 yds and never sniff the end zone.... and it wont necessarily open up the offense. If we're going to let one of the two have an advantage id rather it be Amari.

And jimmy doesnt match up well with him anyways. He just doesnt have the quickness, suddenness or hips to shut Cooper down.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 9/27/2016 at 1:09 PM, Rav'n Maniac said:

LOL! PFT has us ranked #7 in their latest power rankings.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/09/27/week-four-power-rankings-6/

PFF has us rated #1. Tops in the league.

[berad]

Jimmy got toasted against Cooper last year and that basically set the tone for the whole game

[Rav'n Maniac]

30 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

PFF has us rated #1. Tops in the league.

That's great and even funnier than PFT having us at #7.

I'm sorry, there is no way we should be ranked anywhere near that with the offense we have shown. Now on D/ST I'll take it.

[BmoreBird22]

Something about Osemele rubs me the wrong way every time he's talked about the Ravens. I hope he gets smacked around a good bit.

[allblackraven]

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Something about Osemele rubs me the wrong way every time he's talked about the Ravens. I hope he gets smacked around a good bit.

Same. Sounds like some great injustice was done to him.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Same. Sounds like some great injustice was done to him.

Just sounds like one of those guys who felt it was all about him and that he deserved all the money and didn't think about anything else.

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Just sounds like one of those guys who felt it was all about him and that he deserved all the money and didn't think about anything else.

always felt he was jealous of yanda..

remember a few things he said which went along the lines of ''im gonna be better than him''

[The Raven]

22 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Something about Osemele rubs me the wrong way every time he's talked about the Ravens. I hope he gets smacked around a good bit.

The sad thing is he'll be the one smacking us around.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Just now, The Raven said:

The sad thing is he'll be the one smacking us around.

I dont know about that. I could see him struggling to move Pierce. 6'0" and 300+ lbs is hard to move period, but especially for a 6'4"+ guy. His center of mass is so low he could cause fits for a taller interior guy. And no ones smacking BW around. Just doesnt happen.

[Sami84]

Just now, The Raven said:

The sad thing is he'll be the one smacking us around.

you're acting like hes evan mathis or steve hutchinson

 

i have news for you KO. You're a good player

you're not elite though

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, The Raven said:

The sad thing is he'll be the one smacking us around.

He apparently didn't have a great game against the Titans, but I expect him to pretty much return to form against the Ravens.

[Sami84]

btw question for anyone whos watching college football. ( i'm not) any guards coming into the draft that could be the next hutchinson? We could do with a guy like that in the first round!

[ravensnj]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Anyone else think jimmy singled in Crabtree and then wright + bracket coverage for Cooper would be far more effective? Doesn't matter who you put on cooper he can't realistically be single covered, and jimmy matches up excellent with Crabtree. 

 

Jimmy on Crabtree worked in the Super Bowl, so I expect to see them matched up again.  I especially see them matched up in the red zone, where Crabtree has been the Raiders scoring target, as of late. Cooper requires someone like Young with Webb over the top.

[AppStRavenfan]

I can't see us putting Jimmy on Crabtree simply because he's matched up well against him in the past. Cooper is their clear #1 target and I don't trust Wright at all against him - Jimmy may match up well with Crabtree but Wright matches up poorly with Cooper whereas Jimmy matches up fine with Cooper and I trust Wright more to take on Crabtree. Wright has gotten beat deep on multiple occasions this season, he'd get smoked by Cooper one on one, at least with Crabtree we can sleep soundly at night knowing he's not going to get beat deep.

[Sami84]

Just now, AppStRavenfan said:

I can't see us putting Jimmy on Crabtree simply because he's matched up well against him in the past. Cooper is their clear #1 target and I don't trust Wright at all against him - Jimmy may match up well with Crabtree but Wright matches up poorly with Cooper whereas Jimmy matches up fine with Cooper and I trust Wright more to take on Crabtree. Wright has gotten beat deep on multiple occasions this season, he'd get smoked by Cooper one on one, at least with Crabtree we can sleep soundly at night knowing he's not going to get beat deep.

 

maybe tavon on cooper?

[ludy51]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

PFF has us rated #1. Tops in the league.

I'm gonna need to see that

[AppStRavenfan]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

maybe tavon on cooper?

He's made some plays but he's still a rookie, I'd rather not matchup a rookie on an established #1 WR. Outside of getting beat deep Wright has played well so far this year, I think he actually fits well against Crabtree.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

I'm gonna need to see that

Go to Minks twitter. He posted it.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, AppStRavenfan said:

He's made some plays but he's still a rookie, I'd rather not matchup a rookie on an established #1 WR. Outside of getting beat deep Wright has played well so far this year, I think he actually fits well against Crabtree.

Jimmy does not match up well with Cooper. He just doesnt do well at all with the shiftier, quicker, precise route runners. See pretty much any Patriots game. He's too big, too stiff in the hips, and not quick enough.

Literally, putting Wright on Crabtree and Smith on Cooper is pitting them both against their weakness. Wright is smaller, quicker and technically sound. So, put him on the big, fast, downfield jump ball specialist?

And Jimmy is big, strong, fast over distance who wins at the line and can contest downfield throws... so put him on the quick twitch, precise route runner who goes over the middle on short and intermediate routes mostly?

Crabtree is just like Robinson and Coleman who beat Wright pretty handily. Cooper is more like Robert Woods (obviously more talented, but the size/speed/play style comparison is on) who Wright completely locked down and played his best game (by far!) against. Robinson did nothing after Jimmy locked him up. Watkins had a bad game with Jimmy on him.

Jimmy --> the big, physical, big play guys

Wright --> the smaller, crafty route runners.... with help.

 

Jimmy can erase Crabtree. Hes the key to their O. he opens up the field for everyone. Shut him down, and Amari has less space to operate which makes the job a little easier on Wright, plus allows the safeties to really key their coverage toward Amari.

It's 100% the way to go. Jimmy on Cooper and Wright on Crabtree gives them the advantage on both matchups. Amari will run free all day underneath and Crabtree will be getting behind/winning jump balls on Wright all day.

[ludy51]

8 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Go to Minks twitter. He posted it.

He did indeed 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 minute ago, ludy51 said:

He did indeed 

haha sorry - i didnt mean it like, "im not doing it for you, go see yourself" - just that a) i dont know how to embed a tweet in a post, and b ) i couldnt link bc im pretty sure the chart is from an article behind the paid blockade on pff's site.

But yea, however those scores are determined... we're at the top and by a good margin.

[BmoreBird22]

13 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Jimmy does not match up well with Cooper. He just doesnt do well at all with the shiftier, quicker, precise route runners. See pretty much any Patriots game. He's too big, too stiff in the hips, and not quick.

Yea, this isn't really true.

Historically, Jimmy has been able to handle whoever you line across from him.

Sure, you won't drop him into the slot, but he's not struggling with nuanced route runners because he's done very well against AB when matched up with him in the past.

Where you'll see Jimmy struggle this season is against players who can run down the field. I'm not sure if he's not trusting his feet or what, but he's not able to really keep up with long speed anymore, but maybe that's something that comes back.

Also, on the topic of Wright, he's only done well when he's been able to wall the receiver off with the sideline and reduce the window that he's able to defend. When he's allowed inside release, good luck. 

Also, I'd have to watch the game again to confirm this, but I don't believe the corners shadowed after Wright's week two struggles. The fact that Robinson saw Wright more is because the Jags wanted to exploit that match up. 

Edited September 28, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Yea, this isn't really true.

Historically, Jimmy has been able to handle whoever you line across from him.

Sure, you won't drop him into the slot, but he's not struggling with nuanced route runners because he's done very well against AB when matched up with him in the past.

Where you'll see Jimmy struggle this season is against players who can run down the field. I'm not sure if he's not trusting his feet or what, but he's not able to really keep up with long speed anymore, but maybe that's something that comes back.

Also, on the topic of Wright, he's only done well when he's been able to wall the receiver off with the sideline and reduce the window that he's able to defend. When he's allowed inside release, good luck. 

Smith has rarely matched up with Brown. I remember in 2014 him doing so, and Brown went for 7 catches, 90 yds... and mostly bc we were depleted at corner. We were down to like Smith and Chykie as the only healthy guys.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Smith has rarely matched up with Brown. I remember in 2014 him doing so, and Brown went for 7 catches, 90 yds... and mostly bc we were depleted at corner. We were down to like Smith and Chykie as the only healthy guys.

That was week two, but most of the damage was done in the slot. 

In 2013, Jimmy was giving up like two receptions for 20 yards when matched up with Brown and the Steelers really like to put Brown out on the left side of the offense (Jimmy's side), so he's going to be seeing Brown a fair amount.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

That was week two, but most of the damage was done in the slot. 

In 2013, Jimmy was giving up like two receptions for 20 yards when matched up with Brown and the Steelers really like to put Brown out on the left side of the offense (Jimmy's side), so he's going to be seeing Brown a fair amount.

Yea most of the damage was done away from Jimmy, but they motioned Brown away from him most of the time to avoid the match up (not so much bc I think they were afraid of the matchup, but, when the only other corner is Chykie why even test Jimmy?).

And i feel like theyve done that most match ups. Brown, in general, hasnt been successful against us. Whatever the reason... 

But, anyways, my point wasnt necessarily to say that Jimmy cant cover a guy like Brown... just that its a more natural and easy matchup with a guy like Crabtree. Watkins 2 catches against Jimmy on the comebacks come to mind... and Sammy's not necessarily the most crafty or sudden route runner in the league, and Jimmy wasnt within 3-5 yards of him.

Of course, id much rather him give that... I just think Wrights a quicker, shifty guy and has the better skill set to work against a guy like Cooper... while Crabtree presents his biggest weakness.

[RavensPunkXVX]

I hope we stifle that whole offense. KO is biiiittttter. It's the business though. I hope Doom comes back and Ronnie is just a precautionary deal.

[Cillmatic]

Really hope the Walking boot on Stanley's leg is just a precaution.