Next Up: Ravens vs Oakland Raiders at M&T Bank Stadium

[HoldingCall]

On 9/28/2016 at 8:27 AM, trevorsteadman said:

That and if their front seven that is pretty solid creates pressure on our offensive line that has had its ups and downs so far I am afraid. That is why we NEED to get the run game going. The team won't win if it has to throw the ball 60 times. Plus we need to take more shots downfield like we did week 2. Terrance West is key headed into this match up and I say this because Forsett and him have had about 50% share each and West has actually shown some ability to run. Forsett is a 3rd down back at best this time in his career.

Yeah! And it now appears there will be no true LT on the OL. This can mean double trouble if the offense has a bad run game, day. Not taking anything away from Flacco or SSS (who could have a breakout day) but, special teams or the defense could need a turnovers or two if the Ravens can't run and/or slow the pass rush. 

[HoldingCall]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What's your point? 

How can a player prove anything riding the bench? 

Aiken is a low investment low risk journeyman who came here and overachieved for a year and if he got starting snaps this year he would get overpaid and be gone the next. Perriman is a much higher potential player who's mere presence is more impactful because teams have to respect his speed, and he comes with a first round pick attached. 

You can give the coach talk about how the best players need to start at all times, but there is an investment factor in football and a first round pick needs to be given opportunities to grow. Aiken isn't good enough to take snaps from perriman.

Just a reminder! Although Aiken had a solid year last season, he didn't take off until the backup QB took over. Nothing special happened between he and Joe but he became a favorite target to the backup.

[ellicottraven]

15 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

This if the 2ND straight East Coast trip for the Raiders. It'll be interesting to see how they respond. It think this will be a nice test for both test. It's a measuring stick game for both. Even coming off a 5-11 season the Ravens are still a measuring stick for borderline playoff teams. I think the Raiders are really good in some areas and they definitely could compete for a wildcard but they have to prove it against strong teams. 

The Ravens have to prove that they are back to being one of those top tier teams. The Ravens have been a ugly team for a while and they have the potential be great on both sides of the ball, but the good thing for the Ravens is they usually force the other team to play ugly as well. As ugly as things have been the Ravens could very well be one of the more dangerous teams in the NFL. People will say they haven't played anyone and the records of their opponents would suggest that, but the fact that they are finding ways to win games they lost last year suggest to me that the swagger and will to win is back.

Make no mistake the Ravens have to improve, especially offensively. If they can improve and I think they're close, that's where this team could become dangerous. If they can get upon teams early and allow the defense to pin their ears back and hunt, that's scary for other teams. 

I expect the offense to get right this game. I think T. West gets the start and runs well enough to actually give the play action pass a shot at working.

Now the Raiders are acclimatized to making an East coast trip because they did it last week successfully. We should expect a potent Raiders offense that is firing on all cylinders and play accordingly. This is not a game where we can afford to let up. We need to take advantage of home field against any team in the NFL. It begins with the Raiders and then Washington. We must be 5-0 to keep the pressure up on Pittsburgh and Cincy.

[trevorsteadman]

With Aiken yes he posted 900 yards when players went down. But think about this. Steve Smith Sr. was on pace for 1500 yards with a missed game last season before he went down. That is when you have to ask yourself is it really the receivers being awesome or is it volume. To me Aiken is a solid #2/#3 receiver but he is now behind Wallace, Perriman, and Steve Smith. He is no better than any of those guys. He is a great receiver and in a year he will most likely get a Sanu type contract even though I don't see him putting up that great of stats this season based off of his performance last year. But in the end he is not a #1 receiver in the NFL but still a solid receiver on this team.

[Raider9175]

On September 28, 2016 at 6:39 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

I just read an article (poorly written, but still read it) that said that Mack isn't dominating because of two things. 1. The Raiders switched from the 3-4 to 4-3 and Khalil Mack doesn't have the requisite length to play on the defensive line and 2. Even if the Raiders were to switch to the 3-4, Mack doesn't have Mario Edwards. Apparently when Edwards played, Mack recorded 12 of his 15 sacks, but zero int he three weeks after Edwards was out last year.

Really hope this carries over to this Sunday.

No K Mack was all pro at both De and Olb .    The Raiders are missing Mario Edwards- his play was a big reason for Mack break out season last year.   No Raiders defense lineman plays with the hand violence that Edwards does,. Edwards played De on the run downs, and moved inside on the passing downs.   He was too strong for Ot's and too quick for guards .  Qb's couldn't run away from K Mack.       Jihad Ward is a bigger Mario Edwards who is very raw. ( was playing Wr just a couple years ago) He has been overpowered at the point early in the season.    J Ward should be a diffrent player later in the season.     The raiders should use Darius Latham who is much better holding up at point of attack. 

Jmo The Raiders problems on defense is they are asking a lot of these Defense Lineman to play two gap, and they are more suited to playing one gap.   ( Ward, Autry)  Until Mario Edwards comes back they have to change the scheme to fit the personnel better.    THE MLB Situation has been a major problem .    ( not good when that  playershould be the leader on defense).   Corey James in time might be pretty good MLB, but right now due to his inexperience isn't going to be where he suppose to be a lot of times.    So many new faces on defense , and just takes time for players to get comfortable with each other.

Edited September 30, 2016 by Raider9175

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, Raider9175 said:

Jmo The Raiders problems on defense is they are asking a lot of these Defense Lineman to play two gap, and they are more suited to playing one gap.   ( Ward, Autry)  Until Mario Edwards comes back they have to change the scheme to fit the personnel better.

Yeah, I got the feel that fans are very unhappy with Ken Norton Jr.

[Deflated Football]

Just thinking out loud, but this is going to be an excellent test for our defense. 

[Raider9175]

3 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Ravens pass rush even got through the Browns' great O-line on a consistent basis. Not saying that this will happen in Oakland but the teams that Oakland has faced is nothing near the pass rush the Ravens. What the Ravens lacked last sason was pass rushers outside of Suggs but all of a sudden the Ravens have several on the inside. With Orr playing at the high level he has been the Ravens have been able to rush one of their ILB, either Mosley or Orr, as well as Timmy Jernigan being one of the most impressive players in the league at this point at DE. When you add in the team's best sack specialist is back in Dumervil even though he will likely be limited to about 30 snaps, his presence alone on the other side of Suggs will be impressive. Plus don't sleep on undrafted DT Pierce who has been getting consistent pressure in the backfield. Weddle has been taking out opposing tight ends and running backs have yet to be a factor against the Ravens' defense outside of a 85 yard run from Crowell week 2. 

I could see this being another ugly game for the Ravens. Ravens offense has looked awful and the Raiders defense probably even more awful. Then when the Raiders #2 offense is on the field the Ravens #2 defense will be on the field. I wouldn't be surprise if both teams were held under 24 points and it came to a field goal. The match up to watch is how the Ravens cornerbacks match up on Oakland's receivers. Jimmy Smith has been shut down and Shareece has been up and down (partially because of the position he has been placed in). 

The Browns offense line isn't any where close to the Raiders offense line. The Raiders have one of the best pass blocking offense lines.  Their offense line( which has been upgraded) has faced tougher pass rushers than the Ravens have. ( Denver Von Miller / Ware, Kc Houston/ Hali .   The  raiders interior of the offense line is top notch. lg Osemele C Rodney Hudson and Rg Gabe Jackson.( good luck if you're counting on your interior defense lineman to be a factor.

Derek Carr doesn't take sacks( gets rid of football quick or throw interceptions.( look at his Td to interception ratio in his career).  So I would count on something other than your pass rush in this game.   The Raiders are scoring 24 points at least on the Ravens defense.  Let's see if Raiders defense can hold them under that.   ( that is the question.     If the Ravens put up only seventeen points they are going to lose this game. There is zero chance this is a low scoring game.

 

I  hope the Raiders come out throwing with three and four Wr sets.   Trust Carr to pick out the favorable matchup.  Establish the pass than run the football. Their conservatism on offense is there biggest fault on offense sometimes. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

I feel we will perform better against OAK run game than what they have faced so far this year. Where I'm concerned is our coverage. Crabtree tore up TEN last week under their zone and just behind the CB's. The backs also had some good receptions under their zone coverage. If we can limit them there, we will have a fair shot of winning provided the offense performs.

OAK also has a penalty problem worse than ours. They've had 5 false starts & 12 holding with a total penalty count of 28 so far. Compared to our 5 FS & 6 H and total of 17.

Edited September 30, 2016 by Rav'n Maniac

[Rav'n Maniac]

Here is the update on Stanley & Lewis:

 

 

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

With Aiken yes he posted 900 yards when players went down. But think about this. Steve Smith Sr. was on pace for 1500 yards with a missed game last season before he went down. That is when you have to ask yourself is it really the receivers being awesome or is it volume. To me Aiken is a solid #2/#3 receiver but he is now behind Wallace, Perriman, and Steve Smith. He is no better than any of those guys. He is a great receiver and in a year he will most likely get a Sanu type contract even though I don't see him putting up that great of stats this season based off of his performance last year. But in the end he is not a #1 receiver in the NFL but still a solid receiver on this team.

This is exactly what it is imo. He was basically the focal point of the offense once SSS went down and Trestman did a great job of scheming him open even though he struggled with separation. 

Aiken is in danger of falling behind Moore as well because the Ravens have been running a speed package with Wallace, Perriman and Moore, with Pitta as possession guy. I see this package being used more and more with great success, especially if the run game can lead to play action. Aiken had a high snap count in week 1 but both Perriman and Moore are starting to see equal or close to equal snaps as him. I see Aiken as a ST guy who will get a couple targets a game if everyone stays healthy.

 

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Here is the update on Stanley & Lewis:

 

If Stanley can't go, I think we see Lewis at LT and Jensen at LG.

[Raider9175]

50 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Yeah, I got the feel that fans are very unhappy with Ken Norton Jr.

I consider it a Delrio/ Norton defense. So can't blame one, and not the other.   Right now the defense hasn't performed up to what was expected.    These two defensive minds have  shown they aren't afraid to try something diffrent on defense,  when something not working.

Once they get a handle on what there new players can and can't do.  I expect to make the adjustment.( that doesn't help this Sunday). 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Raider9175 said:

I consider it a Delrio/ Norton defense. So can't blame one, and not the other.   Right now the defense hasn't performed up to what was expected.    These two defensive minds have  shown they aren't afraid to try something diffrent on defense,  when something not working.

Once they get a handle on what there new players can and can't do.  I expect to make the adjustment.( that doesn't help this Sunday). 

On the bright side, the secondary had a hell of a game last week. Honestly, probably the best game the unit as a whole will have for the entire season.

If they can repeat that on Sunday, it'll be tough for Baltimore to win.

[Rav'n Maniac]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

If Stanley can't go, I think we see Lewis at LT and Jensen at LG.

That's certainly a possibility. I guess if the team did the walkthrough today it's not looking too promising for Stanley. If the walkthrough is tomorrow, it could still be precautionary for him today since he hasn't worn the boot since Weds.

[Sami84]

Just now, Rav'n Maniac said:

That's certainly a possibility. I guess if the team did the walkthrough today it's not looking too promising for Stanley. If the walkthrough is tomorrow, it could still be precautionary for him today since he hasn't worn the boot since Weds.

 

the walkthrough is always on friday.

 

let him rest. This team can't let one player be the difference between success and failiure. PLay smart..call the right plays, execute ..there are many ways to win or lose a football game. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

8 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

the walkthrough is always on friday.

 

let him rest. This team can't let one player be the difference between success and failiure. PLay smart..call the right plays, execute ..there are many ways to win or lose a football game. 

Thanks, obviously you could tell I wasn't sure about the walkthrough schedule. And I agree if he is hurt, let him rest.

[Raider9175]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

On the bright side, the secondary had a hell of a game last week. Honestly, probably the best game the unit as a whole will have for the entire season.

If they can repeat that on Sunday, it'll be tough for Baltimore to win.

Te Delanie Walker not playing was huge for that secondary.   Raiders have has trouble covering the Te's . Dennis Pitta matchup scares me the most.    The Raiders starting Cb's are pretty good Dave Amerson and Sean Smith.   Rather see TJ Carrie in the slot than Dj Hayden .( don't know what coaches see there- bust)    The Raiders secondary just needs time.   Both safeties Fs Reggie Nelson( Fa Addition)  , and rookie Ss Karl Joseph( hit man) have to get use to playing with each other. ( Nelson looked so much better with Joseph in there,  than McGill.

This Raiders defense should be a lot better later in the season when Mario Edwards, and hopefully Aldon Smith re- instated) .   Probably Bruce Irvin moves inside , and becomes a better matchup on the Te.

btw the rookie Joseph still looking for his first knockout hit.   Just miss destroying The Titans Rb.

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, Raider9175 said:

Te Delanie Walker not playing was huge for that secondary.   Raiders have has trouble covering the Te's . Dennis Pitta matchup scares me the most.    The Raiders starting Cb's are pretty good Dave Amerson and Sean Smith.   Rather see TJ Carrie in the slot than Dj Hayden .( don't know what coaches see there- bust)    The Raiders secondary just needs time.   Both safeties Fs Reggie Nelson( Fa Addition)  , and rookie Ss Karl Joseph( hit man) have to get use to playing with each other. ( Nelson looked so much better with Joseph in there,  than McGill.

This Raiders defense should be a lot better later in the season when Mario Edwards, and hopefully Aldon Smith re- instated) .   Probably Bruce Irvin moves inside , and becomes a better matchup on the Te.

btw the rookie Joseph still looking for his first knockout hit.   Just miss destroying The Titans Rb.

 

aldon smith really shouldnt be in the league anymore

[Raider9175]

5 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

aldon smith really shouldnt be in the league anymore

That isn't for me to decide, but it would be foolish as a fan to  not hope he gets re-instated .    He makes there defense much better, while fixing holes at other position.( Bruce Irvin fixes problems in coverage- better matchup on the Te).

Edited September 30, 2016 by Raider9175

[rmcjacket23]

36 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

This is exactly what it is imo. He was basically the focal point of the offense once SSS went down and Trestman did a great job of scheming him open even though he struggled with separation. 

Aiken is in danger of falling behind Moore as well because the Ravens have been running a speed package with Wallace, Perriman and Moore, with Pitta as possession guy. I see this package being used more and more with great success, especially if the run game can lead to play action. Aiken had a high snap count in week 1 but both Perriman and Moore are starting to see equal or close to equal snaps as him. I see Aiken as a ST guy who will get a couple targets a game if everyone stays healthy.

 

Yeah Aiken's in a tough spot.

Through 3 weeks, he technically has the 3rd highest snap count among WRs... he's actually gotten more offensive snaps than Perriman. But he's not being targeted at all basically...4 targets in 3 games.

Hard to see him being very valuable to the offense unless a Steve Smith injury happens. Frankly, even if like Wallace were to get hurt, you would think Perriman/Moore would inherit most of those snaps instead.

[January J]

38 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

If Stanley can't go, I think we see Lewis at LT and Jensen at LG.

Took the words out my mouth. I'd be OK with that too. Better than the alternative anyway.

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, Raider9175 said:

That isn't for me to decide, but it would be foolish as a fan to  not hope he gets re-instated .    He makes there defense much better, while fixing holes at other position.( Bruce Irvin fixes problems in coverage- better matchup on the Te).

 

he just seems like a bum to me (as a person). obviously his talent was never in question, he has/had perennial all pro talent..he just strikes me as a guy i wouldnt want on my team.

[wizard1]

On 9/28/2016 at 2:22 PM, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Last year, we shoulda, coulda, woulda won in Oakland. This year, we will win in BMore with a breakout game on offense. The final score will be 31 - 17.

What offense are you talking about exactly? Do you mean the one with absolutely no running game? Or the one that hasn't had a steady O-line in more than 2 years. Or perhaps you are talking about the offense with a gaggle of WRs and not one bona-fide deep threat. Maybe you are talking about the Raiders offense which most certainly will arrive here determined to plunder Baltimore's booty. Your prediction is laughable. No way the Ravens win this game. If they do I will disappear for 100 years. Don't you know I'm The Wizard and I got Crystal Balls ?    Raiders 28 - 20

[Sami84]

3 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

What offense are you talking about exactly? Do you mean the one with absolutely no running game? Or the one that hasn't had a steady O-line in more than 2 years. Or perhaps you are talking about the offense with a gaggle of WRs and not one bona-fide deep threat. Maybe you are talking about the Raiders offense which most certainly will arrive here determined to plunder Baltimore's booty. Your prediction is laughable. No way the Ravens win this game. If they do I will disappear for 100 years. Don't you know I'm The Wizard and I got Crystal Balls ?    Raiders 28 - 20

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dude its the nfl..there are many ways to win and lose a game. Their D is awful..our O line is rubbish...

 

you also forget our special teams unit..it makes a difference..

 

[hen826957]

13 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

What offense are you talking about exactly? Do you mean the one with absolutely no running game? Or the one that hasn't had a steady O-line in more than 2 years. Or perhaps you are talking about the offense with a gaggle of WRs and not one bona-fide deep threat. Maybe you are talking about the Raiders offense which most certainly will arrive here determined to plunder Baltimore's booty. Your prediction is laughable. No way the Ravens win this game. If they do I will disappear for 100 years. Don't you know I'm The Wizard and I got Crystal Balls ?    Raiders 28 - 20

"No way the Ravens win this game" there is a way to win this game. It's every given Sunday. Anything happens. By the way, your predictions are horrible and l always see you let down the Ravens. I don't know you are a Ravens fan. I remember you say the Bills would blow us out. The Ravens will win. 

Edited September 30, 2016 by hen826957

[Raider9175]

3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

dude its the nfl..there are many ways to win and lose a game. Their D is awful..our O line is rubbish...

 

you also forget our special teams unit..it makes a difference..

 

The Raiders special team units is no joke either.  They always had the kicking game( punter and kicker).  Where they really upgraded is there coverage teams unit.   ( Ex Raven Trawick, Daren Bates, Taiwan Jones, and rookie Wr Johnny Holton.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Raider9175 said:

The Raiders special team units is no joke either.  They always had the kicking game( punter and kicker).  Where they really upgraded is there coverage teams unit.   ( Ex Raven Trawick, Daren Bates, Taiwan Jones, and rookie Wr Johnny Holton.

 

if it's a battle of special teams i'll take my chances against anyone

[wizard1]

2 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

dude its the nfl..there are many ways to win and lose a game. Their D is awful..our O line is rubbish...

 

you also forget our special teams unit..it makes a difference..

 

Certainly you are not referring to that Devin Hester guy? The only part of our special teams that makes it special is Justin Tucker and Sam Koch. This is not an offense that can put up many points and I stretched it with a 20 prediction because I see the D coming up with a TD in this game. Everything in football begins with the O-line and the point of attack and that's where we fail miserably. They are 2-1 against a couple of really good teams and have put up huge numbers against all 3.

[Sami84]

Just now, wizard1 said:

Certainly you are not referring to that Devin Hester guy? The only part of our special teams that makes it special is Justin Tucker and Sam Koch. This is not an offense that can put up many points and I stretched it with a 20 prediction because I see the D coming up with a TD in this game. Everything in football begins with the O-line and the point of attack and that's where we fail miserably. They are 2-1 against a couple of really good teams and have put up huge numbers against all 3.

 

Yes..they are world beaters..it would be inconceivable for us to beat them..greatest show on turf stuff..

 

please note im being a tad sarcastic.