The Good, The Bad and the Awful against the Jags

[terps85]

Just now, Cville-Raven said:

Yeah, we can move the ball but can't go the full 100%. Our passing game is just way too lateral.

Gus Bradley runs cover 3 almost exclusively, which is probably why there were not many deep shots today.  Have to attack the cover 3 underneath.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 minute ago, darklight1216 said:

The good: Justin Tucker

The bad: Shareece Wright

The ugly: The offensive line 

I hate to be such a downer, but when I look at this this team I think that they aren't really good at anything. The run game is non-existent, the passing game disappears for multiple quarters, the secondary is filled with guys who can't really play football all that well, and the front seven doesn't tackle like they should which makes the run D suspect.

Before this game I said the special teams were great, but now I'm not so sure (excepting Justin Tucker who is amazing).

I really hope they can fix at least of the above issues during the "easy" part of the schedule, because things could get rough when the latter part of the season starts.

The run game is the only legitimate concern with the team as far as I'm concerned. 

Every team goes through lulls on offense. GB was up 31-3 I think against Detroit and won 34-27 or something like that. On fire first half with Rodgers throwing for 4 TDs. And then nothing in the second half. 

It happens. Teams adjust. And you have to re-adjust. And sometimes it takes a while or doesn't happen at all. 

It about managing the game through those lulls and getting contributions elsewhere. It's tough to sustain a passing game when ur run game doesn't do anything. The D can just sit back in coverage, flood the secondary and make plays. 

 

When Dixon comes back the offense will click. Just watch. Until then, enjoy the masterclass you're seeing in how to pull out wins. 

[Bandwagon]

6 minutes ago, darklight1216 said:

The good: Justin Tucker

The bad: Shareece Wright

The ugly: The offensive line 

I hate to be such a downer, but when I look at this this team I think that they aren't really good at anything. The run game is non-existent, the passing game disappears for multiple quarters, the secondary is filled with guys who can't really play football all that well, and the front seven doesn't tackle like they should which makes the run D suspect.

Before this game I said the special teams were great, but now I'm not so sure (excepting Justin Tucker who is amazing).

I really hope they can fix at least of the above issues during the "easy" part of the schedule, because things could get rough when the latter part of the season starts.

wow never seen something so accurate

[Cville-Raven]

11 minutes ago, rdotc said:

I would have called touchdowns.

 

Believe me, I'd have made the best calls.

 

-Make the Ravens Great Again - 2016

"Our offense will have the biggest plays. We won't have any of those low energy small plays."

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Although he leaves a lot to be desired as a runner, I would like to see Buck Allen activated next week to play some of these passing downs, assuming Dixon is still in recovery of course.  West isn't much of a factor in the passing game and Forsett just isn't making anything happen.  We aren't using Juice much either, and we know Flacco likes throwing to guys coming out of the backfield.  It'd be nice to have that threat out of the backfield again.

Dixon can't get back soon enough. Forsett looks old, worn down, and slow. No elusiveness, slow at making cuts, very indecisive.

Reminds me of 2013 Ray Rice. Some of the problem is the Oline, but Forsett isn't a back we should be giving 10+ carries to a game.

[jazz1988]

49 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Well Forsett is slowwwww. We need Dixon back asap and watch Forsett's minutes drop like a rock . 

Dixon will revive this nonexistent run game . 

I don't think Dixon will make a difference . He may make some plays here and there but I don't think he's the savior . The offensive line just sucks at run blocking.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, redrum52 said:

His offense got Les fired too and is dropping Fournette's stock.

Fournette's stock is as high as ever...

[Inqui]

11 minutes ago, terps85 said:

Gus Bradley runs cover 3 almost exclusively, which is probably why there were not many deep shots today.  Have to attack the cover 3 underneath.

That and their weakness is at LB (and that isn't even close) so it makes sense to attack the corpses of Poszlusny and Skuta a lot more. Though my problem was that he didn't seem to adjust in the second half when they spent more time sitting on our shorter routes. I don't hate the play calling or the tactics today, but there was still a bit to be desired and I think the jury's still out on Trestman as an OC.

If we don't try teeing off on Revis in a couple of weeks' time then I think there's a bit more cause for concern (I'll take "things you wouldn't have said three years ago" for $100).

Edited September 25, 2016 by Inqui

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Btw. West ran it today at a clip of 4.5 YPC. Pretty darn good. 

I think we need to put him in as our lead back and use Forsett or Buck as the change of pace. 

The run game actually worked with West in. Not as bad as everyone's making it out to be.

I would agree that it seems Forsett is the issue. He doesn't make anyone miss or break any tackles. He gets what's blocked for him and that's it. Getting 3 YPC that way doesn't seem like as much of an indictment on the blocking. If they can block the 1st 3 yards I expect our back to be able to get another 1-2 yards on his own.

So with West getting more carries and Dixon returning I think we'll see a big improvement on the ground. Especially if we see them take Zuttah out for Jensen  

 

[rmcjacket23]

36 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

If you think we can beat teams like Denver, New England,Cincy,etc right now , let me know . 

Dont forget we fired Cam and we were winning .

Right now? No, but we don't need to beat them right now or maybe even at all.

Cincinnati shouldn't scare anybody frankly. They're really not that good. They're a lot closer to an 0-3 team than they are a good team. They've played some tough teams, but I haven't been impressed by anything they've done.

[rmcjacket23]

27 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

I'm glad for the win but I'm grounded in reality . 

We will not beat Cincy, New England , Pittsburg , probably not Oakland playing like this . 

We have a easy schedule due to our record last year so that helps . 

Of course we won't beat them playing like this. The thing is though... there's not a single team in NFL history that plays at the exact same level every single week.

I see no earthly reason whatsoever that Pittsburgh should be getting thoroughly manhandled by the Eagles right now, yet its happening. 

That's the NFL folks. If all you do is look backwards to predict the future, you're going to whiff on the future a TON of times.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I don't think Dixon will make a difference . He may make some plays here and there but I don't think he's the savior . The offensive line just sucks at run blocking.

I don't think that's the case. Forsett got 3 YPC while not breaking a single tackle or making anyone miss. If the OL is getting you 3 yards before contact on average they're doing their job. 

West averaged 4.5 YPC on 10 totes. That's good. 

Dixon will usually make the first guy miss and runs through contact. That alone and we're looking at 4-5 YPC. And that's all you can really ask for. 

 

I just think the time split is hurting us. 10 for West and 7 for Forsett. I want to see that more like 15 for West and let him get on a roll. They'll figure it out and we'll be fine. 

[Inqui]

7 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I don't think Dixon will make a difference . He may make some plays here and there but I don't think he's the savior . The offensive line just sucks at run blocking.

I think he'll make a difference, but we have to get Zuttah upgraded by last offseason. LG's another issue, but I don't mind if we stick with Lewis for the time being and see what happens organically. But get C fixed, and with Dixon coming back I'll be a lot more confident about our running game.

Edited September 25, 2016 by Inqui

[scrock]

the Bills beat the Cardinals today, the Panthers lost at home to the Vikings...The Browns...well the Browns lost

...the Ravens are toughening up, building their calluses for when the real season starts...let me know when you see January Joe...then I'll know its time to get serious

[terps85]

Hopefully Jensen's playing time will convince the staff to play him over Zuttah.

[Inqui]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I don't think that's the case. Forsett got 3 YPC while not breaking a single tackle or making anyone miss. If the OL is getting you 3 yards before contact on average they're doing their job. 

West averaged 4.5 YPC on 10 totes. That's good. 

Dixon will usually make the first guy miss and runs through contact. That alone and we're looking at 4-5 YPC. And that's all you can really ask for. 

 

I just think the time split is hurting us. 10 for West and 7 for Forsett. I want to see that more like 15 for West and let him get on a roll. They'll figure it out and we'll be fine. 

I'd prefer to see West being the starter over Forsett, but before today he was averaging 3.2ypa. That's still a 2013-esque figure.

[rmcjacket23]

21 minutes ago, darklight1216 said:

The good: Justin Tucker

The bad: Shareece Wright

The ugly: The offensive line 

I hate to be such a downer, but when I look at this this team I think that they aren't really good at anything. The run game is non-existent, the passing game disappears for multiple quarters, the secondary is filled with guys who can't really play football all that well, and the front seven doesn't tackle like they should which makes the run D suspect.

Before this game I said the special teams were great, but now I'm not so sure (excepting Justin Tucker who is amazing).

I really hope they can fix at least of the above issues during the "easy" part of the schedule, because things could get rough when the latter part of the season starts.

I have zero concerns with our front seven in terms of run defense. We were dominant against Buffalo and Jacksonville against the run, and we gave up one big run to Cleveland. Other than that, they did nothing.

If you exclude the 85 yard run on one play against Cleveland, our run defense is allowing about 2.6 YPC. That's absolutely outstanding.

As a whole, the defense overall has been pretty good. At the end of the day, while we're nothing great on defense and inconsistent, the name of the game is ultimately points allowed. And we're only giving up about 15 PPG, which is exceptional by NFL standards today.

[Edgar]

I like the fact that Correa showed up on the stat sheet and it appears he is going to get more time. I noticed him, rather than McClellan in on the last drive. 

McClellan offers not much to me. He is serviceable in a pinch as a reserve. I'd just as soon see Correa getting his snaps on defense.

Tavon Young was impressive. More and more excited about this class.

Mosley had a great overall game. Suggs and the rush turned up pressure in second half.

BAD

Where are the tight ends, not named Pitta in this offense? Not one target for Crockett or Maxx.

Forsett is slow, indecisive. Buck Allen is electric in space.

Why is our offense so deliberate and checkdown centric?

Joe looked bad in the second half. This offense needs him to be consistently great.

2-0 on the road

[Moderator 3]

27 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

My biggest gripe has to be that the offense is content with milking the clock and getting fgs.  They don't seem to have any killer instinct.  Can't hope for blocked kicks and picks every game. 

I honestly believe that's our identity.  Get a lead, or get within FG range, go all conservative and run out the clock.  We've been doing it for years.  You'd think our fans would understand that by now.

[Rav'n Maniac]

That game was one big, heapin, steamin pile of dung. Somehow, we came out smellin o.k. in the end.

[balfan23]

and an add to the good ...

Timmy. I was all ready to call this guy out if he didn't step up his game. Dude is doing that big time. Gotta love it.

Judon - Can you believe he is a 5th round rookie? 

Weddle - Dude is a godsend. Despite not getting the greatest play out of our CBs ... he's doing a lot to hold that secondary together. 

[Inqui]

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I have zero concerns with our front seven in terms of run defense. We were dominant against Buffalo and Jacksonville against the run, and we gave up one big run to Cleveland. Other than that, they did nothing.

If you exclude the 85 yard run on one play against Cleveland, our run defense is allowing about 2.6 YPC. That's absolutely outstanding.

As a whole, the defense overall has been pretty good. At the end of the day, while we're nothing great on defense and inconsistent, the name of the game is ultimately points allowed. And we're only giving up about 15 PPG, which is exceptional by NFL standards today.

Not to mention that the Bills have now scored 70-odd points combined in the two games since playing us, and we would have held them to 0 had McClellan not fallen off a sack.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Steelers losing 27-3. Not doing much on offense. Prob should fire their OC. 

I kid I kid. 

But we are looking good to be atop the division... and by gosh a team who everyone says is a SB favorite is looking bad. 

Id rather be 3-0 with 3 hard fought close wins... than potentially 2-1 with one really good game, one close win, and one blow out loss. 

 

And the Eagles have looked really good in all 3 games. But I don't think anyone would be calling them SB contenders just yet. 

Its not about how you do it - just that you do. 3-0 is 3-0. A lot of teams look completely different week to week. You don't know who you're going to get. 

With us at least there's something to hang the hat on. Our D will play tough to keep it close and the O/ST will do just enough to win. 

Its a formula that's worked for us for years. Seems most forget that. Or just don't want to accept that it works bc they'd prefer the Pitt/AZ/GB type offenses that put up huge numbers but hasn't gotten it done in almost a decade. 

Edited September 25, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Darhk_Raven]

12 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I like the fact that Correa showed up on the stat sheet and it appears he is going to get more time. I noticed him, rather than McClellan in on the last drive. 

McClellan offers not much to me. He is serviceable in a pinch as a reserve. I'd just as soon see Correa getting his snaps on defense.

Tavon Young was impressive. More and more excited about this class.

Mosley had a great overall game. Suggs and the rush turned up pressure in second half.

BAD

Where are the tight ends, not named Pitta in this offense? Not one target for Crockett or Maxx.

Forsett is slow, indecisive. Buck Allen is electric in space.

Why is our offense so deliberate and checkdown centric?

Joe looked bad in the second half. This offense needs him to be consistently great.

2-0 on the road

I know Crockett didn't get any targets, but I did see a couple of good blocks from him.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Warning: I'm drinking the purple koolaid and it's........SWEEEEEEEETTTTTTT!!!

I'll take 3-0 ugly, pretty, blindfolded, etc. When we take the field and return to our locker-room victorious and 3-0, I'm glad to be a Ravens Fan (not a Jags, Browns and Bills) fan. Thank you Ravens for providing this great tasting purple drink! Pour me another one next game.

GO Ravens!

[darklight1216]

16 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I have zero concerns with our front seven in terms of run defense. We were dominant against Buffalo and Jacksonville against the run, and we gave up one big run to Cleveland. Other than that, they did nothing.

If you exclude the 85 yard run on one play against Cleveland, our run defense is allowing about 2.6 YPC. That's absolutely outstanding.

As a whole, the defense overall has been pretty good. At the end of the day, while we're nothing great on defense and inconsistent, the name of the game is ultimately points allowed. And we're only giving up about 15 PPG, which is exceptional by NFL standards today.

You know those are good points. I'm still worried about the missed tackles (it seems like first contact never takes the opponent down), but I'm a little less worried after reading your post.

 

That only leaves the run offense, secondary (other than Weddle) and the passing offense ( mostly in regards to consistency).

[ERey]

3-0!!! You are what your record says you are!

The Good - The defensive line. Timmy Jernigan. Justin Tucker is money! Steve Smith was clutch.

The Bad - Mike Wallace and Perriman both dropped passes.

The Ugly - Justin Forsett and the run game. Buck Allen anyone?

Edited September 25, 2016 by ERey

[pep_meister]

this Eagles run game is making me extremely jealous... why can't we do that.

 AFC is looking tough this year with the Pats/Denver

Edited September 25, 2016 by pep_meister

[terps85]

Just now, pep_meister said:

this Eagles run game is making me extremely jealous... why can't we do that.

Forsett.

[terps85]

3 minutes ago, ERey said:

3-0!!! You are what your record says you are!

The Good - The defensive line. Timmy Jernigan. Justin Tucker is money!

The Bad - Mike Wallace and Perriman both dropped passes.

The Ugly - Justin Forsett and the run game. Kenneth Dixon anyone?

Fixed it for you lol